Welding 101 = Fun Brutus Build

[SouthernYankee]

I'm jealous that you'll be ready to brew on yours before I'm ready to brew on mine .

Did you use pipe dope on the gas line threads or the yellow teflon tape? Also, I have the same red-handled brass valves on my gas beam, so we continue the similarities!

I'm looking forward to firing it up and give it a test run with some water.

I used pipe dope.
Yeah the red handle gas valves. I like the look of the valve itself and it only has a half turn which I also liked.

You need to post some photos when you start yours. I really am interested in your process.

 

[Fletch]

Ok, so you are going with high pressure regulators. I'm converting my banjos to low pressure propane, that's why I asked.

Josh, in general terms, converting burners is asking for trouble. Any burner designed for high pressure propane will definitley NOT work at low pressure. For example, Yankee's burners like 20 psi, they would probably run OK on 15. But LOW pressure propane is less than ONE PSI! A typical propane barbeque regulator, for example, is set to about 7" wc.

 

[samc]

Josh, in general terms, converting burners is asking for trouble. Any burner designed for high pressure propane will definitley NOT work at low pressure. For example, Yankee's burners like 20 psi, they would probably run OK on 15. But LOW pressure propane is less than ONE PSI! A typical propane barbeque regulator, for example, is set to about 7" wc.

That's not accurate. Many including myself have done so with a bit of drilling.


edit - and you would need a low pressure reg for propane, or nothing extra for NG (usually)

 

[Fletch]

That's not accurate. Many including myself have done so with a bit of drilling.


edit - and you would need a low pressure reg for propane, or nothing extra for NG (usually)

Never seen one that worked PROPERLY. Especially propane burners converted to NG. I've seen guys post pics of "successful" conversions, complete with the totally black bottomed SS keggles sitting on top of them.

 

[jlandin]

Any burner designed for high pressure propane will definitley NOT work at low pressure.

Sorry, but this is just not true.

Perhaps some burners won't work well with an orifice conversion, but most will work great when done properly. Especially the "kick a** banjo" (BG-14).

--
Josh

 

[SouthernYankee]

3/15/2010

Alright, stainless gas fittings arrived today. And the "cheap" adjustable propane regulator.

Will start to assemble the fittings to the stand tonight, after I put the kids to bed!

 

[diatonic]

I, for one, want to see pics of those Banjos sporting blue flames!

 

[SouthernYankee]

99% DONE, as for the install goes.

TEST run:
Findings after a 15 min burn test.

1. Buy yourself a GOOD QUALITY propane regulator. The one I bought off ebay is a piece or Chinese garbage. I'm not just saying that. FACT, it has Chinese written on the hose! It broke after these photos were taken. The threads to the adjustment screw are already striped.
So with that being said. I'm going to buy a nice regulator.

2. The wood heat shield. Worked very well. I will need to shield just the two ends of it however. It got a little black....I don't want to cut it shorter, its the size I like.
I'm thinking about putting aluminum caps at the ends..this might help.

3. The 1200 F barbeque paint works like a charm. Awesome stuff..

4. Still need to secure the pipe a little better.

5. Don't know if I like the stainless hose that short. Those are 24" hoses..I might go up a size or two.
OR......even hard pipe connect it.

Look at that heat!

 

[GreenMonti]

Things around the burner will get a wee bit more hot when there is a keggle on there.

Just curious about the reg, Does it have 1/4" pipe connections on it? Only reason I ask is, IIUC the 1/4" connection regs can sometimes limit the feed of propane on a low pressure setup.


IIUC= If I understand correctly.

Its looking great otherwise. Keep it up.

 

[SouthernYankee]

Things around the burner will get a wee bit more hot when there is a keggle on there.

Just curious about the reg, Does it have 1/4" pipe connections on it? Only reason I ask is, IIUC the 1/4" connection regs can sometimes limit the feed of propane on a low pressure setup.


IIUC= If I understand correctly.

Its looking great otherwise. Keep it up.

Thanks GreenMonti!

I bet the keggle will "expand" the flame and heat at the bottom of it. As you indicated with the keggle sitting on it.

This is a high pressure setup. It has a 3/8 connection to the 1/2" gas pipe.
The regulator is crap...When it worked, the burners got plenty hot. But the build quality of the regulator is worthless.
The one end of the regulator at the body looks to be 1/4...dont know, I didn't measure it.

 

[diatonic]

Freaking awesome. Any idea what kind of pressure you were getting to the Banjos? I was leak testing my gas beam tonight... and the regulator I got only goes to 15psi. It's the first stage regulator out of a 2 stage setup for an RV. It can supposedly deliver up to 1,000,000 BTU/hour... I've just got my fingers crossed that 15psi will be enough for the Banjos to be happy. Should find out Thursday when I get my burners mounted.

Also, I have no idea if it is a problem... not being a propane expert, but can the gas pipe get too hot where you have it running and present a safety issue? I thought people run gas pipes at the bottom to protect them from the heat.

Looking 100% KICK-ASS!

 

[5_Thumbs]

Dude!!!!!!!!!!!! Blue flames make me drool!

Very sharp! Here's a link to the high pressure regulator (20 PSI) we purchased for our brew sculpture: http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/brewing-equipment/burners/regulator-kit-for-banjo-burner.html

What PSI was the "cheap" regulator that you purchased?

Cheers!

 

[SouthernYankee]

Also, I have no idea if it is a problem... not being a propane expert, but can the gas pipe get too hot where you have it running and present a safety issue? I thought people run gas pipes at the bottom to protect them from the heat.

Looking 100% KICK-ASS!

I was thinking the same thing when I installed the pipe. The tube did get very hot. But not the pipe.
But I am going to move the pipe towards the bottom more. I also, didn't like
the gas lines being spread out that much.
I will re-do the pipe and valves to better a position.

I don't have a clue as to what psi I was achieving with the cheap regulator. I'll be looking for a good quality 20 or 30 psi one.

 

[SouthernYankee]

What PSI was the "cheap" regulator that you purchased?

Cheers!

It was an adjustable 0-20 psi one. Just made really poor.

Ive read different websites which require the BG14 to have a 30 psi regulator. Then again, Ive also came across other sites which state 20 psi.

The regulator you have listed is almost the same one I use for my turkey fryer. Except it is only a 10 psi one. To bad, could have saved some cash if it were a 20 or 30 psi one.

 

[copster88]

Wow, after reading this forum for the last 10 days non stop (no kidding!) and trying to figure things out for my brew stand, I think I finally have found the right design. I have no doubt that I will building my B10 clone for many weeks if not months to come but your design is perfect. If you don't mind, I will copy it.

As far as build goes, I have a friend that has agreed to weld my stand for some beer....awesome.

Some questions for you as I am trying to source all my materials...

1. Where did you get your casters? Model #?

2. What made you decide on Banjo burners instead of the 10-tips jet burner?

3. How many linear feet of 1.5X1.5 have you used for the whole built? I ask because my local supplier on sells in 24' length.

Again, this looks amazing.....thanks for sharing.

JP

 

[SouthernYankee]

Wow, after reading this forum for the last 10 days non stop (no kidding!) and trying to figure things out for my brew stand, I think I finally have found the right design. I have no doubt that I will building my B10 clone for many weeks if not months to come but your design is perfect. If you don't mind, I will copy it.

As far as build goes, I have a friend that has agreed to weld my stand for some beer....awesome.

Some questions for you as I am trying to source all my materials...

1. Where did you get your casters? Model #?

2. What made you decide on Banjo burners instead of the 10-tips jet burner?

3. How many linear feet of 1.5X1.5 have you used for the whole built? I ask because my local supplier on sells in 24' length.

Again, this looks amazing.....thanks for sharing.

JP

Awesome, feel free to copy and use it anyway you want.

To answer your questions.

1. Castercity.com : http://www.castercity.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=3PB4X&ReturnTo=../cm3-stem.htm

I used model number ER26 ****TOO LARGE***. If I had to buy them again. I would go with ER29 or maybe ER25
I had to grind down the rubber and metal screw on my bench grinder. The were just to large to fit inside the 1.5 square tube. I know it says the ER29 is for 1.5 inch on there site...but you want the next size or two down.

2. I cant comment on the 10-tip burners. I have never used them. I just liked how the BG14 looked and believe me they are awesome in size. Plus the heat output is great.

3. 50 feet in total. I ordered 10, 60 inch pieces.

 

[diatonic]

I used 4 of these on my nearly identical frame and they are awesome. There's a ½"-13 nut welded behind the bottom plate on each corner vertical tube that they screw in to. When you lock them it stops the caster wheel from turning *or* swiveling. For the price, they are awesome.

 

[SouthernYankee]

I used 4 of these on my nearly identical frame and they are awesome. There's a ½"-13 nut welded behind the bottom plate on each corner vertical tube that they screw in to. When you lock them it stops the caster wheel from turning *or* swiveling. For the price, they are awesome.

Those are awesome casters. Wish I looked there first. I could of saved on my car insurance!

 

[beerandbbq]

Brewing awesomeness! One day I hope to build one of my own

 

[SouthernYankee]

Brewing awesomeness! One day I hope to build one of my own

Thanks Dude!

 

[SouthernYankee]

3/18/2010

Okay, did a few mods to the propane manifold and the wooden heat shield.

I placed the valves closer together. Also lowered it several inches away from the heat. It was painted with the barbeque paint prior to installing it to the tubing.
It was secured to the square tube by means of the eye bolts and two other clamps. Rock solid...doesnt move at all!

The wooden heat shield. I added on all four sides some 1/8 aluminum channel.
Before I attached it to the wood. I first painted it with the 1200 degree paint. I also painted the underside.

I still need to add the water filter housing.
Also, need to add up the total cost of how much this stand cost me.

But thats pretty much it.
Overall it was a fun build and I learned a lot every step of the way!

Next stand (yes, another) in time however! I will add some more options that Ive seen from others on this site!

Will take a few more photos and post them once I add the water filter and the keggles to the stand. Also the start of the brewing process.

Cheers

 

[lucasbm]

It looks great! good job!

 

[BierMachen]

Looks great! I had a question on your easyflex lp ss hose. Where did you get them and how much were they? Very nice pics, btw!

 

[SouthernYankee]

Looks great! I had a question on your easyflex lp ss hose. Where did you get them and how much were they? Very nice pics, btw!

Thanks Guys!

Bought the SS lines from here. Took about a week to get.

Direct link to item: http://www.hardwareandtools.com/invt/0590000

next time I am going to buy the 3/8 ones from here.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#lp-gas-hose/=6a3e4k

 

[johnnyo1977]

That is a great looking rig you have there SouthernYankee.
If it is all right could i pattern my rigs frame after yours?
One question. How long are the angle cut pieces that hold the burner in place?
Thanks for the great thread.

 

[SouthernYankee]

That is a great looking rig you have there SouthernYankee.
If it is all right could i pattern my rigs frame after yours?
One question. How long are the angle cut pieces that hold the burner in place?
Thanks for the great thread.

Thanks!

Feel free to use the pattern.
The angle cuts are 8" at the longest part (angle). Hope that helps?

 

[JOHN51277]

I just found this thread. Awesome build. Looks great!

 

[johnnyo1977]

Thanks SouthernYankee. That is just what I needed.
Keep up the great work.

 

[SouthernYankee]

Thanks SouthernYankee. That is just what I needed.
Keep up the great work.

Thanks Johnnyo1977

Good luck on your build!

 

[shawnguinn]

how did your paint hold up with your burners fired???? I'm trying to deside if I should have mine powdercoated or if bbq paint will hold up to the heat?????

Thanks, Shawn
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/new-brew-stand-need-burner-help-165599/