TVs with an ACTUAL 120hz refresh?

[bracconiere]

You're asking for a TV in the title, but you've been talking about getting a computer monitor.
Those are 2 different things, IMO.

If you're watching TV on your computer monitor, at 2-3' distance, a 32 or 40" monitor may well be the largest you want.
4K seems to be more future proof. But your graphics card will need to push the needed pixels. 60Hz should suffice for watching movies, even true BluRay.

If you do action gaming, they move much faster, so 120Hz at minimum.

In December we got 2 32" 4K monitors, MSI Creator PS321URV for ~$500 each. They are wonderful for what we use them for, Digital Arts and so, very color-true, which was the main reason for that model. But the older 9800 series graphic cards show their limits, although at full screen, 3840 x 2160 pixels at 60Hz is the max.

i use my tv as a computer monitor. 1080p is fine for my eyesight, i'm 4 feet away from it, so yeah 40" is what i want....but it's annoying watching it flash, i'd love a more stable picture...120hz would easy the strain on my brain....

 

[bracconiere]

but you've been talking about getting a computer monitor.

so today i was looking at 30-40" computer monitors that run 144hz....they're not too expensive. But they're all curved! what happened to good old flat screens? lol

 

[IslandLizard]

But they're all curved!

The typical (wide and skinny) aspect ratio of those curved monitors is also not very useful for TV watching. You'd only be using the center 1/2 to 2/3 of the screen unless you prefer Stretch TV.

The AR of 1920 : 1080 = 1.8 <== that's what you'd be looking for.
2560 x 1440 or 3840 x 2160 (4K) have the same 1.8 AR.

 

[hout17]

The non curved are still around keep looking.

 

[bracconiere]

The non curved are still around keep looking.

i hope so...

 

[bracconiere]

think i found 'the one'....

https://www.amazon.com/LG-32GN550-B...c8cf902a0&pd_rd_wg=peZgh&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mi

 

[IslandLizard]

think i found 'the one'....

Looks pretty good, yes!
But it's "only" 1920 x 1080 (=2k). That's fine for regular TV (1080p) as well as for most regular computer work, but you won't get more desktop space, your icons, window headers and browser banners, etc., are gonna be fairly big.

I think this was discussed before, can your graphics card (display adapter) handle that kind of output, and high refresh rate?
My (very old) GeForce 9800GT can deliver 1920 x 1080 and 2560 x 1440, but the highest refresh rate is only 60 Hz (at any resolution).

So my 32" MSI runs at 60Hz and is sharp and rock stable, no flickering, whatsoever, even under fluorescent tubes.
I just want a graphics card that outputs 4096 x 2160 = 4k (alas at 60Hz) so my desktop is bigger. Icons, especially those on application "ribbons" (e.g., M$) will be small though. Some apps allow you to scale the toolbar sizes (Adobe).

 

[bracconiere]

Looks pretty good, yes!
But it's "only" 1920 x 1080 (=2k). That's fine for regular TV (1080p) as well as for most regular computer work, but you won't get more desktop space, your icons, window headers and browser banners, etc., are gonna be fairly big.

I think this was discussed before, can your graphics card (display adapter) handle that kind of output, and high refresh rate?
My (very old) GeForce 9800GT can deliver 1920 x 1080 and 2560 x 1440, but the highest refresh rate is only 60 Hz (at any resolution).

So my 32" MSI runs at 60Hz and is sharp and rock stable, no flickering, whatsoever, even under fluorescent tubes.
I just want a graphics card that outputs 4096 x 2160 = 4k (alas at 60Hz) so my desktop is bigger. Icons, especially those on application "ribbons" (e.g., M$) will be small though. Some apps allow you to scale the toolbar sizes (Adobe).

man, 1080p is fine enough rez for my 160" screen....i just want my reading screen to apear as close to reading off paper as possible...and although i wish it was possible, i can't, and don't think, they're going to invent a 0hz monitor anytime soon....so gotta go faster! as far as resolution goes happy laying right next to a ~80" 1024x768 screen....

 

[bracconiere]

To finish this thread off with the conclusion.....


I ordered the 32" one i linked, it showed up, and my GTX 660 does drive it at 120hz...nice crisp screen, it would have been better if i could have found a 40". but 32" should be a passable size...no built in speakers though.

i think the monitor actually would go up to 165hz, but the best my video card will do is 120hz. maybe i'd have to use the display port for 165hz?

 

[sibelman]

Those built-in speakers generally suck anyway. fwiw, these $40 Logitech Z200 speakers ain't horrible. Enjoy!

 

[bracconiere]

Those built-in speakers generally suck anyway. fwiw, these $40 Logitech Z200 speakers ain't horrible. Enjoy!

absolutely they suck, but my 7.1 surround system burns a hell of a lot more power. so i use it sparingly.

 

[sibelman]

Okay, saving electricity is good. However, my intuition tells me that even a super powerful sound rig couldn't use more than a couple bucks worth of juice in a month of listening. Even if it's loud. Even if your rate is high. Rock on!

Got a "kill-a-watt" meter widget? It'd check your 7.1 system's actual usage - surely far less than the theoretical max.

 

[madscientist451]

After 2-3 pints of homebrewed malt likker, does the "refresh rate" of the TV really matter?

 

[sibelman]

After 2-3 pints of homebrewed malt likker, does the "refresh rate" of the TV really matter?

Brac's eyes are clearly more sensitive than mine. Or maybe I just need to drink more...

 

[bracconiere]

Okay, saving electricity is good. However, my intuition tells me that even a super powerful sound rig couldn't use more than a couple bucks worth of juice in a month of listening. Even if it's loud. Even if your rate is high. Rock on!

Got a "kill-a-watt" meter widget? It'd check your 7.1 system's actual usage - surely far less than the theoretical max.

actually even just left ideling it boosts my bill by 20-30$ a month...yes i have a kill-a-watt meter....the reciever and sub burn so much, i have to actually plug them into a power strip, to seriously turn them off!

After 2-3 pints of homebrewed malt likker, does the "refresh rate" of the TV really matter?

YES! in fact it matters more! a few drinks in me, and it's almost like i can count the flashes!

Brac's eyes are clearly more sensitive than mine.

my projector is dying too...think when it actually dies, going 120hz on it too... and being 1080p is plenty res for me, i don't think it's my eyes, but my brain.

 

[sibelman]

20-30$ a month.

Holy shirt! I read about internet modem / router power use and got a "xmas tree timer" for them so they're off while I'm asleep. Power strip works too unless you forget... How could that happen?!

 

[bracconiere]

Holy shirt! I read about internet modem / router power use and got a "xmas tree timer" for them so they're off while I'm asleep. Power strip works too unless you forget... How could that happen?!

well my power company has a website i can log into and keep track of daily usage also. when i started shutting off my reciever with the power strip my usage went from 15kWh a day, down to 7-8kWh a day....at 11.8 cents a kWh...it adds up, and being i'm not ACTUALLY using it to listen to music or anything most of the time, no brainer to kill the juice.

 

[sibelman]

My main audio rig uses ~70 watts when all devices are on and volume is moderate. That's about 50kWh/month if on 7x24x30. Sounds like your receiver is something of a hog...

 

[bracconiere]

My main audio rig uses ~70 watts when all devices are on and volume is moderate. That's about 50kWh/month if on 7x24x30. Sounds like your receiver is something of a hog...

that's what my kill-a-watt said too. ~80 watts, but still i figured mightest well turn it off, glad i did! of course my kill-a-watt tells me my 1500 watt hot plate only uses 1200 watts....

i almost forgot, i started truning my TV off too at night. and streaming netflix on a $40 RCA tablet....

also i have 2x12" Subs powered with a ~1000 watt amp....

but yeah that thing was a power hog! one way or the other.....

 

[ZunedManha]

Ahh! My laptop's inbuilt speakers also suck. Every time required to connect with external sound systems.

 

[bracconiere]

hate to revive this, but do LCDs have a set refresh like their resolution....my 660 is pushing this at 165hz with the new display port cable...

but it still looks like it's flashing. back in the late 90's on a crt the difference between even 60hz and 100hz was night and day? is it the LED back light, or floursecent now?

it does seem like the pictue is crisper, but the light is still flashing?

 

[jtratcliff]

Do you smell burnt toast?

Maybe it's a stroke....

 

[IslandLizard]

it still looks like it's flashing.

It should not do that.
How obvious is the flashing? Is it periodically, when you move the mouse or something or playing an HD movie? Or incidentally, and for no apparent reason?

Can you record the flashing?

 

[sibelman]

Bracc, I'm becoming concerned. (half smile icon goes here)

Most monitors will tell you (some kind of "info" feature) what rez and refresh rate they're doing, whatever their input may be receiving. On an on screen menu. btw, I suspect some still use fluorescent backlight.

Oh, btw, maybe visit a non-chain-store optometrist who has the time to help figure out your vision situation?

 

[bracconiere]

It should not do that.
How obvious is the flashing? Is it periodically, when you move the mouse or something or playing an HD movie? Or incidentally, and for no apparent reason?

Can you record the flashing?

not that kind of flashing...i'd guess if i had a counter to count the flashes a second, well i'm just saying it's flickering light...not the image?

Bracc, I'm becoming concerned. (half smile icon goes here)

Most monitors will tell you (some kind of "info" feature) what rez and refresh rate they're doing, whatever their input may be receiving. On an on screen menu. btw, I suspect some still use fluorescent backlight.

Oh, btw, maybe visit a non-chain-store optometrist who has the time to help figure out your vision situation?

both my comp, and monitor say 165hz.


so you're all saying, you don't notice the flickering of the lights in like a grocery store?

 

[bracconiere]

i got curious and looked up US 120v AC hz, it's only 60hz...maybe that's the problem.....

edit: now i'm wondering if it's down voltaged to 12v or whatever, maybe a better adapter would solve it?

edit 2: and i've got it plugged into something without a ground, but the adapter has a ground prong?

 

[sibelman]

Certainly I've been bothered by defective/failing fluorescent lights - sometimes extremely. When new, not so much. But some folks are just more sensitive to this kind of thing.

LG's web site sez this model has "Flicker Safe" (wtf?) but is silent re backlight. So I'm thinking fluorescent. Also sez flicker may occur with MBR - you be want to be sure that's not enabled.

 

[bracconiere]

Certainly I've been bothered by defective/failing fluorescent lights - sometimes extremely. When new, not so much. But some folks are just more sensitive to this kind of thing.

LG's web site sez this model has "Flicker Safe" (wtf?) but is silent re backlight. So I'm thinking fluorescent. Also sez flicker may occur with MBR - you be want to be sure that's not enabled.

damn THANKS! i turned off both "fast response time" and "adaptive sync", and being that it acted like a whole new monitor, being i have three plugged in, and i had to reboot and unplug all the others to get it to recognize it as primary....

it's too soon to tell for sure, but i think you did it for me!

 

[sibelman]

damn THANKS! i turned off both "fast response time" and "adaptive sync", and being that it acted like a whole new monitor, being i have three plugged in, and i had to reboot and unplug all the others to get it to recognize it as primary....

it's too soon to tell for sure, but i think you did it for me!

Wonderful if so. Settings on modern TVs and - apparently also - gaming monitors can do strange things.

 

[bracconiere]

Wonderful if so. Settings on modern TVs and - apparently also - gaming monitors can do strange things.

so far, this thing with the 'features' (gimmicks) turned off has a higher refresh then real life...i think that works at 30 fps for me still from my childhood