Trillium Dialed in clone recipe critique

[elburrogrande]

Just an update on mine. I bottled half and kegged half. Neither are very good, both have massive sweetness. Bottle has surprisingly more hop aroma but 0 carbonation after a week and a half. The kegged version is the opposite.

I'm not sure where I went wrong, seems like the yeast is dead/gone as it didn't seem to ferment out any of the grape juice.

I'll hold on to the bottles and see if they improve. The keg will like be dumped to make way for new beers.

That's a bummer. did you take gravity readings? I've never used extract but the grape juice has fermented out completely both times for me. it does seem like your yeast are dead. I bottle and start drinking them about the 3rd day and they are almost fully carbonated even then. I just bottled a third batch but I used substituted the grape juice with a bottle of sauvignon blanc and used a different yeast so im curious as to how it will taste.

 

[elburrogrande]

Update. This is the best I've made yet. I popped this one open 3 days after bottling. This is the recipe I used and Ill probably make this exact one again.

3.5 gallon batch

45% German Pilsner
37% Flaked wheat
8% Acid Malt
2% crystal 15
8% corn sugar

Yeast: Imperial A01 House

.5oz Columbus 60 minutes
1.5oz Columbus 20 minute whirlpool

1oz Nelson Sauvin & 1oz galaxy after 3 days in the fermenter

2 oz galaxy and 2 oz Nelson Sauvin on day 10

bottled on the 14th day with 1 bottle of sauvignon blanc and 2oz of table sugar mixed in bottling bucket

 

[trousertrout]

Quick update from my extract attempt. Partial mashed the oats followed by a 90 min boil with 6 lbs Pilsen extract and 4oz corn sugar. Followed the hop additions per elburro's first schedule, added the grape juice and it is still chugging away. Final dry hop goes in tonight with kegging on Thursday. Smells amazing so far! We'll see how it finishes! I'll post next weekend with the results...

I'm digging the idea of the sav addition in the bottling bucket and will def try that next round!

 

[elburrogrande]

Quick update from my extract attempt. Partial mashed the oats followed by a 90 min boil with 6 lbs Pilsen extract and 4oz corn sugar. Followed the hop additions per elburro's first schedule, added the grape juice and it is still chugging away. Final dry hop goes in tonight with kegging on Thursday. Smells amazing so far! We'll see how it finishes! I'll post next weekend with the results...

I'm digging the idea of the sav addition in the bottling bucket and will def try that next round!

nice. I bet it smells even better after the second dry hop. Is there a reason you went with oats instead of flaked wheat? I think you should be good with just a 60 minute boil just fyi for next time. Let us know how it turns out!

 

[trousertrout]

My bad I did use wheat... Thanks for the tip with the boil time, that extra 30 minutes seemed like eternity, you all grain guys have some patience!! I'll post some pics and tasting notes this weekend.....cheers

 

[elburrogrande]

My bad I did use wheat... Thanks for the tip with the boil time, that extra 30 minutes seemed like eternity, you all grain guys have some patience!! I'll post some pics and tasting notes this weekend.....cheers

How did the extract batch come out?

 

[WesM63]

Update on mine after about 4wks in the bottle. The sweetness has settled, there is still a slight hint.

Otherwise, large amounts of galaxy and nelson with a decent amount of white grape, low to moderate bitterness, no alcohol burn.

I think the next time I give this a try, i'll stick to standard grape juice and see how it turns out.

 

[trousertrout]

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Pretty damn good I must say! First one is a day after force carb @ 30# (pappy glass) and the second one is from today. I've tasted this beer revolve from subtle crispness & hoppy, to a little sweet, smooth and hippy and now slowly getting a little bitter & hoppy. I think it has great potential, I think it's down to playing with the grape juice / wine as the burro had suggested.

 

[elburrogrande]

Do you guys mind posting your OG and FG?

 

[elburrogrande]

about to brew this again for a competition. I feel like I got a pretty good handle on this recipe but critiques are welcomed. This is what I plan on doing. Only difference it is an all organic competition so I am switching Galaxy for a mix of Rakau and Citra

6 gallon batch

12lbs German Pilsner 65%
4.5lbs flaked wheat 24.5%
.75lbs Dextrine 4%
.5lbs Crystal 15 2.7%
.625lbs acid malt 3%

estimated OG= 1.078
estimated FG= 1.013
estimated ABV= 8.5%

90 minute boil

.75oz Columbus at 60 min
.5 Columbus flame out
1oz Rakau/citra mix flame out
2 oz Nelson Sauvin whirlpool 30 minutes
1oz Rakau/citra mix whirlpool 30 minutes

additional ingredients:
Yeast nutrient

Yeast: Conan or 1318

3oz nelson sauvin 3 days into fermentation dry hop for 5 days

2L Santa Cruz organic white grape juice @ 5 days

remove original dry hops @ day 8

1oz nelson sauvin 8 days into fermentation dry hop for 3 days
2 oz Rakau/Citra mix 8 days into fermentation dry hop for 3 days

 

[elburrogrande]

update: I went with Imperial A24 organic yeast which is a combo of WLP644 and Conan, for an all organic brew. should be interesting.

 

[gotbags-10]

update: I went with Imperial A24 organic yeast which is a combo of WLP644 and Conan, for an all organic brew. should be interesting.

I've been interested in trying that yeast. Please let us know how it turns out!

 

[elburrogrande]

Very happy how this one turned out. I kegged it yesterday and had the first pour. The yeast performed amazing. Pours like a grapefruit mimosa. Can't taste much of grape surprisingly, you wouldn't know I added 2L of grape juice if I didn't mention it. It is extremely juicy tasting with notes of orange, mango, grapefruit, and stone fruits. Very light bitterness. I think the yeast contributes or compliments the citrus and stone fruit flavors very well.

 

[elburrogrande]

I ended up keeping the grains and yeast the same as my post but I changed the hop schedule a tiny bit.


.75oz Columbus at 60 min
.5 Columbus at 5 minutes
1oz Rakau at 5 minutes
1oz Columbus at flame out
2 oz of Nelson Sauvin at whirlpool 20 minutes
1 oz of Rakau at whirlpool 20 minutes


additional ingredients:
Yeast nutrient

Yeast: Imperial A24

3oz nelson sauvin 3 days into fermentation dry hop for 5 days

2L Santa Cruz organic white grape juice @ 5 days

remove original dry hops @ day 8

1oz nelson sauvin 8 days into fermentation dry hop for 3 days
2 oz Citra mix 8 days into fermentation dry hop for 3 days

 

[elburrogrande]

I want to add that I had 1 extra gallon that ended up going in to a 1 gallon glass jug. No grape juice went in this one, and the only dry hop I added was 1.5 oz of galaxy and was bottle primed. It is delicious. I think it is better than the grape juice one. Much better nose and fruitiness. In fact I am not sure the juice contributes to much after tasting the non juice last night. Just fyi

 

[elburrogrande]

This is probably my most common recipe so i thought id update. This beer is sooooo good. Here is what I'm doing now.

100 ro water with 5g sea salt an built to 200 cl and 100 sulfate.

70% Pilsner
20% flaked wheat
6% carapils
3% acid malt
1% CRYSTAL 15

OG 1.072
FG 1.010

.25 OZ COLUMBUS 60 min
.1 galaxy 53
.1 galaxy 46
.1 galaxy 37
.1 galaxy 25
.1 galaxy 18
.15 galaxy 10
1.5 galAxy + 1oz nelson sauvin whirlpool 175º


3OZ Nelson sauvin day 3 of active fermentation
2 bottles sauvignon blanc day 3 of active fermentation

3oz galaxy 3 days before kegging

 

[elburrogrande]

Look is identical

 

[elburrogrande]

For comparison

 

[troglodytes]

This is probably my most common recipe so i thought id update. This beer is sooooo good. Here is what I'm doing now.

100 ro water with 5g sea salt an built to 200 cl and 100 sulfate.

70% Pilsner
20% flaked wheat
6% carapils
3% acid malt
1% CRYSTAL 15

OG 1.072
FG 1.010

.25 OZ COLUMBUS 60 min
.1 galaxy 53
.1 galaxy 46
.1 galaxy 37
.1 galaxy 25
.1 galaxy 18
.15 galaxy 10
1.5 galAxy + 1oz nelson sauvin whirlpool 175º


3OZ Nelson sauvin day 3 of active fermentation
2 bottles sauvignon blanc day 3 of active fermentation

3oz galaxy 3 days before kegging

Dude, this looks awesome, I'm going for it as my next brew. One question, though; when adding a wine what quality are you going for? A decent $15-20 bottle, or is the quality not as important and you can go with a cheaper $10 bottle?

 

[elburrogrande]

Honestly i got cheap bottles at grocery outlet. They were from new Zealand 2014, i think 3.99 each lol

 

[tjmarshall]

This is probably my most common recipe so i thought id update. This beer is sooooo good. Here is what I'm doing now.

100 ro water with 5g sea salt an built to 200 cl and 100 sulfate.

70% Pilsner
20% flaked wheat
6% carapils
3% acid malt
1% CRYSTAL 15

OG 1.072
FG 1.010

.25 OZ COLUMBUS 60 min
.1 galaxy 53
.1 galaxy 46
.1 galaxy 37
.1 galaxy 25
.1 galaxy 18
.15 galaxy 10
1.5 galAxy + 1oz nelson sauvin whirlpool 175º


3OZ Nelson sauvin day 3 of active fermentation
2 bottles sauvignon blanc day 3 of active fermentation

3oz galaxy 3 days before kegging

What size batch is this? 3.5 gallons? I'm curious because I'm trying to adjust the hopping amounts.

 

[elburrogrande]

This is for 5 gallons

 

[ttuato]

No more guessing: https://beerandbrewing.com/homebrew-recipe-trilliums-dialed-in-ipa-with-wine-grape-must/

 

[degivens]

No more guessing: https://beerandbrewing.com/homebrew-recipe-trilliums-dialed-in-ipa-with-wine-grape-must/

Yeh I saw that. Might give it a try at some point soon.

 

[troglodytes]

I already bought all the ingredients for elburro's version. Now I'm tempted to do a side by side comparison.

 

[degivens]

I already bought all the ingredients for elburro's version. Now I'm tempted to do a side by side comparison.

Would be curious to see how that turned out...

 

[troglodytes]

70% Pilsner
20% flaked wheat
6% carapils
3% acid malt
1% CRYSTAL 15

OG 1.072
FG 1.010

.25 OZ COLUMBUS 60 min
.1 galaxy 53
.1 galaxy 46
.1 galaxy 37
.1 galaxy 25
.1 galaxy 18
.15 galaxy 10
1.5 galAxy + 1oz nelson sauvin whirlpool 175º


3OZ Nelson sauvin day 3 of active fermentation
2 bottles sauvignon blanc day 3 of active fermentation

3oz galaxy 3 days before kegging

Alright, This version was brewed last night. I don't think it will be a good basis of a side by side comparison with JC's clone, because I over shot my water volumes by .5 gal resulting in over 6 gallons of 1.064 instead of 5.5 gallons of 1.070. I might cut back on the wine addition a little bit to compensated for the lower gravity. All in all though, despite being a little bit smaller of a beer than intended, it is freaking delicious already. I drink the whole hydrometer sample. My god, this subtle grain bill with all that galaxy...I can't wait for this to be done!

 

[troglodytes]

Added the wine and nelson hops for dry hop round 1. I'm really hating the fact that I don't have a kegging setup (or CO2 at least). I tried for at least an hour to find a way to add the wine without oxygenating the fermenting batch. Nothing worked so at the end of the day I added the wine to decanter and poured slowly from there to at least avoid the glug glug of pouring directly from the wine bottles. I don't think it was that huge of a deal as the spiedel re-pressurized once I resealed it, as the active fermentation is still ongoing, so that gives me some hope that I didn't oxidize the dry hops too much.

FFT is complete and I ended up at 1.016 without a wine addition which would put me (if my calculations are correct) and an expect FG of 1.013-1.014 with the wine addition in the main batch. I'm going to see what the gravity is post dry hopping with the galaxy (starting tonight) and if I'm in the 1.016 range, I'm going to bottle condition with just the remaining fermentables to again attempt to avoid oxidizing this beer. Fingers crossed this will be ready for drinking in about a week and a half. I'd love to have this as fresh as possible despite my bottling limitations.

If anyone here has made this a bottled instead of kegged and can give me any feedback, I'd definitely appreciate it.

 

[troglodytes]

Ok, elburrogrande, this recipe is ridiculous.

I bottled on Sat. gravity was down to 1.013, so I added a little sugar into the fermenter to get the yeast going before I bottled straight out of the fermenter. I've purposefully attempted to minimize oxygen in every step of this process, and its worked thus far. My guess is that I'll end up a little light on the carbonation, but I honestly don't care. I drank 2 bottles...full bottles, fresh out of the fermentor (it was cold crashed, so at least it was chilled). The look on my father in laws face when he had his first sip said all that needed to be said. This is the most refreshingly dry, best smelling, uniquely hop flavored beer.

The best way I can describe it is a hybrid between standard IPA and NEIPA that smells like citrus and tropical fruit, that has a light to light medium hop bitterness as a base (more so than you get in most NEIPAs and its very welcome here) and hop flavors that are somehow a mix between grape and grapefruit. And then you swallow and its this refreshing tannin dryness you get from a chilled crisp white wine. I'm telling you, this weekend I'm having friends over and this 5 gallons will be gone in an afternoon.

Kudos. Even if this isn't a perfect clone of dialed in (which it might be, I've never had the original), this is a top notch recipe.

Edit: Also I've never been able to drink a beer this young without it tasting green. I don't know if its the ingredients, yeast (WY1968) or the focus on low oxygen pickup, but this is ready to go straight out of the fermenter.

 

[hmmy92]

This is probably my most common recipe so i thought id update. This beer is sooooo good. Here is what I'm doing now.

100 ro water with 5g sea salt an built to 200 cl and 100 sulfate.

70% Pilsner
20% flaked wheat
6% carapils
3% acid malt
1% CRYSTAL 15

OG 1.072
FG 1.010

.25 OZ COLUMBUS 60 min
.1 galaxy 53
.1 galaxy 46
.1 galaxy 37
.1 galaxy 25
.1 galaxy 18
.15 galaxy 10
1.5 galAxy + 1oz nelson sauvin whirlpool 175º


3OZ Nelson sauvin day 3 of active fermentation
2 bottles sauvignon blanc day 3 of active fermentation

3oz galaxy 3 days before kegging

Looks amazing what about the yeast?