This is why we need to beat our kids....

[Soulive]

What a comforting feeling to know that there are crazy, car-driving 7-yr-olds an hour north of me

I think you should be more concerned about all those senior citizens down there...

 

[FishinDave07]

I think you should be more concerned about all those senior citizens down there...

Ha! Lets not get into that one :cross:

 

[Jester369]

Well, my kids have never been spanked. They are also very polite, respectful, well behaved kids. Do I think spanking will ruin a child? No. Do I think it's never appropriate? No. I have just been fortunate that my kids respond well to other forms of discipline.

The kids in those two videos obviously have long histories of weak parenting. The hard part is going to be salvaging them now that they have been so conditioned to be little sh*ts.

 

[dirtymike1]

I'm sorry but the day my son slaps my wife in the face and tells her what's what his life will change drastically.

First, wouldn't hit him, hitting him I think would only teach him to hit when he's angry, so I'd punish his fat a$$ with good old fashion slave labor.

I grew up on a farm, my dad gave me my share of beatings, but none were more memorable than the hours of hard labor I did out in the fields to prove I was sorry.

I didn't grow up on a farm, but 1 1/2 acre's of land still need a lot of tending. I will never forget the day that I made the mistake of back talking my Mom. I said about 2 words of disrespect to her and shut the hell up after the spoon she was using in the kitchen cracked me in the jaw. THEN she had me empty the trash can, and told me to fill it with thew clovers that were taking over the back yard. I would say it took me about 2 full days of picking clover to fill that damn thing, but I have the upmost respect for my mom and the way that I treat her still reflects it to this day.

As far as that second kid, the cops should just take him out now, sprinkle some crack on him and call it a day...Do this before he kills a group of innocent bystanders, because "doing bad things are fun". And what kinda kid thinks that smoking is cool at age 7?!?!?!?!?!?! I need to stop this before I have a heart attack....

 

[HenryHill]

Beat them a little when they are young and you may only have to do it a couple times in their life. They figure out that if they are out of line, they'll get spanked, and they start thinking twice about their actions.

And if you as a parent don't do it, someone, without an interest in their welfare, will probably do it for you when he's a teen or young adult...

 

[jds]

I've only had to spank my daughter (now 5) a couple of times. Spankings have been reserved for the "you are putting yourself in danger" moments, like playing around a hot stove or running into the street. Both of those things have happened exactly once, and then never again.

Is my kid disrespectful? Sometimes. She's 5. Kids push the limits. However, SWMBO and I have found other ways to discipline that work well too. Losing TV for a night or snacks works well, as does taking away a toy for a while.

A couple of weeks ago, kiddo threw a tantrum and slammed her bedroom door. I hate that. She learned the lesson after I took her door off the hinges for a couple of days.

As for the kid in the OP's video: Looks to me like mom's a pushover. I'm guessing there's a lot more to the story than we are seeing.

 

[Bobby_M]

I'm not 100% sure that there's a point where a kid needs to be hit but I haven't gotten to a point where I've exhausted other forms of negative reinforcement with my daughter (she's 3.5). The most dangerous result of going the route of yelling and hitting is teaching them that it's a reasonable way to deal with things (anger, frustration, disappointment). If you don't believe that, just ask yourself how they learn ANYTHING? They watch how you do it. The adage "do what I say, not what I do" is complete BS... it's a cute idea, but not in practice.

I'm not going to sit on a high horse and say that a basic time-out always works. It does 80% of the time but sometimes the kid escalates the situation and requires you to step up your game. The next step is taking away the most important thing, and so on and so on so that they realize that the tunnel just gets darker and darker. Obviously this is hard work and I don't believe every parent has the fortitude to do it... like that *********'s mom.

 

[EdWort]

I showed SWMBO the first video. She said she would have had him for breakfast. She's unbelievably fast with a Kochlöffel (a wooden cooking spoon).

Some kids use them to play games even.

 

[BrewWench]

Beat them a little when they are young and you may only have to do it a couple times in their life. They figure out that if they are out of line, they'll get spanked, and they start thinking twice about their actions.

I think this works very well. The littlest kids don't really understand other forms of punishment - even animals like dolphins, lots of birds, and several primates use corporal punishment on their offspring. I wouldn't condone slapping a teenager in the face, but hopefully it wouldn't get to that point.

 

[dirtymike1]

I think this works very well. The littlest kids don't really understand other forms of punishment - even animals like dolphins, lots of birds, and several primates use corporal punishment on their offspring. I wouldn't condone slapping a teenager in the face, but hopefully it wouldn't get to that point.

I would only hit a teenager if the took a swing at me first. I don't belive in senseless beatings, but sometimes they just need it.

 

[shafferpilot]

I'm not 100% sure that there's a point where a kid needs to be hit but I haven't gotten to a point where I've exhausted other forms of negative reinforcement with my daughter (she's 3.5). The most dangerous result of going the route of yelling and hitting is teaching them that it's a reasonable way to deal with things (anger, frustration, disappointment). If you don't believe that, just ask yourself how they learn ANYTHING? They watch how you do it. The adage "do what I say, not what I do" is complete BS... it's a cute idea, but not in practice.

I'm not going to sit on a high horse and say that a basic time-out always works. It does 80% of the time but sometimes the kid escalates the situation and requires you to step up your game. The next step is taking away the most important thing, and so on and so on so that they realize that the tunnel just gets darker and darker. Obviously this is hard work and I don't believe every parent has the fortitude to do it... like that *********'s mom.

I basically agree with everything your saying. Except for the notion that spanking and 'hitting/yelling/loosing your temper' are the same thing. Spanking IS another tool in the arsenal. Throwing it out just because your mom/dad was a ****** and used it improperly is as silly as being a ****** and using it improperly. Do you know how many times I've seen a kid put in "time out" just to come out and do the same BS over and over. Then the parent says, "I just don't know what to do????" One time it was a friend of mine and I quickly said, "Beat his ass, that's what you do." Of course my friend got really mad at me for suggesting that he 'hit' his child. "WE don't believe in hitting." Needless to say, the kid is still a holy terror around that house.... and I can't stand to go over there anymore. Every kid is different, every situation is different. Punishments need to be matched to both.... sometimes that means a good ass tanning.

 

[Jester369]

Some kids use them to play games even.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfAXump0b2o

Ok, that was pretty funny!

 

[findthefish]

His parents really should have joined the movement.

 

[NWernBrewer]

Spanking IS another tool in the arsenal. Throwing it out just because your mom/dad was a ****** and used it improperly is as silly as being a ****** and using it improperly.

+1 - physical punishment within reason and bounds is an effective tool when necessary. Especially when they are too young for reason and need an immediate and understandable reaction for their action. One good swat to get their attention and a firm "no" will most often be enough.

That doesn't mean getting druck and wildly swinging at your kids back with an extension cord - there is a firm line between abuse and discipline.

 

[kornkob]

+1 - physical punishment within reason and bounds is an effective tool when necessary. Especially when they are too young for reason and need an immediate and understandable reaction for their action. One good swat to get their attention and a firm "no" will most often be enough.

That doesn't mean getting druck and wildly swinging at your kids back with an extension cord - there is a firm line between abuse and discipline.

+1 again

Sometimes reason doesn't sink in and another tool is needed. The idea that it is somehow irresponsible or lazy to spank a child is, in my opinion, an example irresponsible and lazy thinking not unlike the same irresponsible and lazy thinking that leads to 'zero tolerance' polices.

 

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

I'm not a parent so I can't really way in with an opinion. What I do know is that my parents generation got beaten as children and they were one of the best generations ever in my opinion. My generation has been taught that feelings are very important and that hitting is wrong, and we should respect one another and love everyone for who they are. What did I witness in my high-school years.... out of control drug issues with kids, rapes, sex before high-school, dumb ass kids, hitting your parents, sueing your parents, Columbine, etc., etc. etc. My generation makes me sick to my stomach.

One of my brothers has kids that he doesn't beat and can't say no to... they run his house. Another of my brothers has kids that he doesn't beat but disciplines well in other ways, his kids are well mannered and fun to be with. When I was a kid how many times do you think I disrespected my mom..... hmmmm I talked back to my mom last time, and then..... oh yeah, I cried for like 4 hours alone in my room after a wicked spanking. It only takes once with really little kids and it only takes a couple paddle wacks that really aren't even that hard. It is just so terrifying as a small child that you learn right quick.

Ed, my mom was a fan of the German spoon as well

Good call on the "there is a major difference between a spanking and punching your kid" thing. Child abuse is no laughing matter, but spankings are good for kids. I think most of us here are talking about spankings and disciplinary actions, not I'm drunk and going to take my life's sorrows out on my innocent kid.

 

[Bobby_M]

I guess I'm just biased because I've gotten positive responses with reasoning. My kids are still young and I'm sure they're going to put me to the test at some point. With any discipline system, one thing is for sure; both parents need to be on the same program. If not, the kid picks up on it and knows which limits they can stretch.

I do think parents can be good at discipline with and without spanking and vice versa. I like the scene in Goodfellas when young Henry admits, every once in a while you have to take a beating. It didn't do much for his sense of right and wrong. Of course, now I'm going to be accused of cherry picking life lessons from a movie ;-)

 

[dirtymike1]

I'm not a parent so I can't really way in with an opinion. What I do know is that my parents generation got beaten as children and they were one of the best generations ever in my opinion. My generation has been taught that feelings are very important and that hitting is wrong, and we should respect one another and love everyone for who they are. What did I witness in my high-school years.... out of control drug issues with kids, rapes, sex before high-school, dumb ass kids, hitting your parents, sueing your parents, Columbine, etc., etc. etc. My generation makes me sick to my stomach.

One of my brothers has kids that he doesn't beat and can't say no to... they run his house. Another of my brothers has kids that he doesn't beat but disciplines well in other ways, his kids are well mannered and fun to be with. When I was a kid how many times do you think I disrespected my mom..... hmmmm I talked back to my mom last time, and then..... oh yeah, I cried for like 4 hours alone in my room after a wicked spanking. It only takes once with really little kids and it only takes a couple paddle wacks that really aren't even that hard. It is just so terrifying as a small child that you learn right quick.

Ed, my mom was a fan of the German spoon as well

+1

Boerderij Kabouter, how old are you? I'm 22 and I'm in the same boat as not having kids, but I can't wait for the day that I do. And I know how they will be raised, and that just like I was. All of the out of control behavior that took place in my high school was amazing, the fights, the rapes, the drug use, and worst kids having sex in the bathrooms while only in the 7th and 8th grades...Respect is not something we were taught as a generation.

 

[perversatile]

You can't fix bad parenting with more bad parenting.

 

[uglygoat]

we (two brothers and i) got smacked around when we were growing up, and continued to be imbeciles. corporal punishment just made us tolerate pain. damned the consequences, we had a blast, and were right hellions!

 

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

I am 24 and disappointed with a lot of people our age. The problem is a lack of respect at its core. If you didn't respect your parents as a little kid, then how are you going to truly respect anything later in life.

Bobby, you are absolutely right from my observations. It is not the beatings, it is the consistency and the unified front of the parents that commands the respect of the kids.

BTW, when I do have kids, it looks like I have found a pretty good resource of regular people who know their ass from their elbow when it comes to kids. The "let them run around like crazy while we put off our responsibility as parents" is rather popular in the area where I live and I was starting to doubt there would be anyone to talk to about stuff like this.

 

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

we (two brothers and i) got smacked around when we were growing up, and continued to be imbeciles. corporal punishment just made us tolerate pain. damned the consequences, we had a blast, and were right hellions!

There is a difference between mischief and stealing a car and driving around or smacking your parents. I am a firm believer that mischief is good for kids, but once you do something that would land an adult in an extended prison stay.... that may be pushing your "I'm just a kid" excuse a bit far.

 

[Bobby_M]

Slightly OT, but anyone that doesn't have kids yet and thinks they have a solid plan... be prepared to abandon that plan and question everything the moment you do have kids. It's like the twighlight zone.

 

[dirtymike1]

Slightly OT, but anyone that doesn't have kids yet and thinks they have a solid plan... be prepared to abandon that plan and question everything the moment you do have kids. It's like the twighlight zone.

Haha I have thought about this, but I've put a lot of thought into the prospect of having a child. I see how kids today are acting and I want my child to be nothing like that. I want to instil a good sense of right and wrong in them, like my parents did with me. I seem to be a little old fashioned in a few ways, but I do belvie that my parents were raised to be damn fine people, and you know, they are. :rockin:

 

[Boerderij_Kabouter]

Good point, the closest I have gotten is extended babysitting and even that scared the hell out of me

 

[ohiobrewtus]

Timeouts and a stern voice get the point across for me most of the time because my kids know that if it doesn't - their little butts are going to be hurting soon. I haven't had to do that to any of my kids more than twice each (and they're 8,6 and 4). They know that they get one shot at it and it works.

 

[EdWort]

I am 24 and disappointed with a lot of people our age. The problem is a lack of respect at its core. If you didn't respect your parents as a little kid, then how are you going to truly respect anything later in life..

+1 Thank those lame A$$ED people who procreated ( I can't call them parents).

 

[bethlehembrewer]

I am 24 and disappointed with a lot of people our age. The problem is a lack of respect at its core. If you didn't respect your parents as a little kid, then how are you going to truly respect anything later in life.

Bobby, you are absolutely right from my observations. It is not the beatings, it is the consistency and the unified front of the parents that commands the respect of the kids.

BTW, when I do have kids, it looks like I have found a pretty good resource of regular people who know their ass from their elbow when it comes to kids. The "let them run around like crazy while we put off our responsibility as parents" is rather popular in the area where I live and I was starting to doubt there would be anyone to talk to about stuff like this.

In the same boat on this one. My dad used to smack me for doing stupid things. And ya know what, it worked. I'm not for beating the kid needlessly, but a good smack so they associate their action with pain, therefore less likely to do it again is what I am for.

I know a guy who is a parole officer, his claim is that when it became illegal to hit your kid all went to hell. I find this to be true.

The bad part for me is SWMBO is a school pyschologist, therefore she is strongly against my thought and for that matter all of ours. She is very for couseling and understanding. She tells me stories about some of the kids she works with. I say "wow that kid needs to get the shi!t kicked outta him/her." Then I get the "no thats wrong" speech, during which I am thinking of ways to show the kid who is boss.

 

[user 574]

Time outs can work, but if your kid continues to scream whilst in "time out" you need a plan B. Bummer is so many parents don't have a plan B.

Watch how animals discipline their offspring (besides the occasional father eating them). They do the timeout by ignoring them but if the vermon continues they get a quick paw; flipped on their back & their throat in mom's mouth. Do they ever actually hurt em? Nope. Merely their pride. Silly humans know better though...

The discipline this kid isn't getting from the parents is coming back 10 fold as he gets his arse beat later in life.

 

[BrewWench]

Watch how animals discipline their offspring (besides the occasional father eating them). They do the timeout by ignoring them but if the vermon continues they get a quick paw; flipped on their back & their throat in mom's mouth. Do they ever actually hurt em? Nope. Merely their pride. Silly humans know better though...

Yeah, dolphins actually press their disobeying babies to the sea floor for several seconds as punishment (some of them live in relatively shallow water). We should follow the lead of the other great apes and give our offspring a quick smack to the ass.

I'm probably never going to have kids so I won't be able to practice this But I do like looking at animals to understand our reasons behind stuff.