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Yeah, I thought all along that he was a fraud. I also think Abraham might shoot himself still. I'm not completely following what happened to Abraham in the past. Were those survivors he killed? I also don't think that the fire monitor (water cannon) works if the engine isn't running. On a Coast Guard boat it works by a power take off on the engine.
 
The people it showed Abraham killing looked like survivors. I'm pretty sure he was going to end himself or look for his family until Eugene came along. And you are correct, the engine has to be running as it powers the pump for the water.


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I think Abraham killed some bad guy survivors in the grocery store. He has codependency issues, and they are really showing now.

Having watched the scenes for next week's episode, it looks like things the poop is going down.
 
The people it showed Abraham killing looked like survivors.

Correct. That was the group he and his family were holed up with.

On The talking Dead, the actor playing Abraham stated that those people he found dead outside the building in the flashbacks were his family.

The people he beat to death with the soup can were member of the group he was in. Abraham went out on a "mission" of some sort, came back, and found those guys raped his family so he went crazy on them.

That scared the crap of of his wife and kids so they ran and got eaten.

Abraham finds them, and decides to pop his top.

Enter Eugene....
 
This is true and the show is making that a theme... Abe had dialog with Glenn to that effect last night at the window in the book store.

I understand that there was no power in the bookstore, but, to me, that entire scene was too dark. Couldn't see a thing. They could have used some ambient moonlight effect or something. It was annoying. Thought something was wrong with my cable.
 
I understand that there was no power in the bookstore, but, to me, that entire scene was too dark. Couldn't see a thing. They could have used some ambient moonlight effect or something. It was annoying. Thought something was wrong with my cable.

They had to set the mood for that "fiery" sex scene
 
I think they knock out everyone first, so they can make them more vulnerable when they first wake up. ..i also think the doctor is on the side of the male cops secretly, and that is why the female cop wanted another doctor so bad. .. don't think she is the bad guy we think she is.

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Correct. That was the group he and his family were holed up with.

On The talking Dead, the actor playing Abraham stated that those people he found dead outside the building in the flashbacks were his family.

The people he beat to death with the soup can were member of the group he was in. Abraham went out on a "mission" of some sort, came back, and found those guys raped his family so he went crazy on them.

That scared the crap of of his wife and kids so they ran and got eaten.

Abraham finds them, and decides to pop his top.

Enter Eugene....

I missed Talking Dead this week which really chapped my a$$, but I suspected it was something like this.

I was actually thinking this was more along the lines of the guy who comes home and finds his wife cheating on him with another man, so he decides she's "being raped." I kind of thought that was why the wife grabbed the kids and ran, because he showed her how really unstable he is.

Being a soldier in the 80's/ 90's Army of need though, as opposed the the 2000's era Army of plenty, I laughed almost through this whole show. Some of the things Abraham was saying I haven't heard in almost 20 years. And I remember well, being in several situations where there's nothing left to do but throw your hands up, laugh your a$$ off, and drive forward as best you can while parts are falling off your rusted out 5 Ton or Deuce-and-a-half.
 
. .. don't think she is the bad guy we think she is.

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Oh, Man. Don't go down this path. I tried these arguments about the Governor the previous 2 seasons.

The fastest way to earn the wrath of this group is to try to defend the bad guys :D.
 
Oh, Man. Don't go down this path. I tried these arguments about the Governor the previous 2 seasons.

The fastest way to earn the wrath of this group is to try to defend the bad guys :D.

Who's doing that!? I will feed them to walkers right now!

But I could see it being a self preservation angle. She helps them have their way with other people so they stay off of her. Like they said last episode, everybody left now is strong. Some physically. Some diabolically. Look at Eugene. He used his personality (flaws) to his benefit. Being manipulative is a strength.
 
Who's doing that!? I will feed them to walkers right now!

But I could see it being a self preservation angle. She helps them have their way with other people so they stay off of her. Like they said last episode, everybody left now is strong. Some physically. Some diabolically. Look at Eugene. He used his personality (flaws) to his benefit. Being manipulative is a strength.

I think that's the point of the whole season if not series.

Everyone is capable of horrific things and everyone can justify those horrific things in their world. Eating people is horrible, but so is shooting a 10 year old in the back of the head. Even if she killed her sister.

The Governor felt he had to be a hard ass, Joe and the "claimed" crew had their way of regulating things, the termites justified snacking on other survivors, and now we have the Slabtown PD and their health insurance with the ridiculously high deductible IOU's.

Hell even Rick and crew have done some terrible things. Carol torching folks with the sniffles and shooting little girls she deems dangerous. Rick hacking folks to death with a machete to settle a promise.

That's why we have characters like Tyrese, who still can't detach from the old ways.
 
I think that's the point of the whole season if not series.

think it's the point of any zombie story (really the point of any post-apocalypse story in general)

even Romero will tell you zombie stories aren't about the zombies

(and shouldn't the singular of zombies be zomby? I mean, look at those two sentences above; story/stories)
 
Mid-season in 2 episodes is it just me or did this episode feel like they were writing Carol's epilog? a recap of who she was and is and how she feels like she has no place or reason to continue? Is she the cast member who dies at the mid-season finale?


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Mid-season in 2 episodes is it just me or did this episode feel like they were writing Carol's epilog? a recap of who she was and is and how she feels like she has no place or reason to continue? Is she the cast member who dies at the mid-season finale?


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I took it as showing how far she's come and how independent she is now vs. early in the series. That's an interesting interpretation though. I hope they don't kill her off yet...she's one of my favorite characters now.
 
The story is written how it's written, and things will turn out how it is, but... They didn't kill Noah when he stole their crossbow? That has been a life tool for whole group. I'd have at least winged him to get some info from him. Most likely, I'd have killed him outright and got the crossbow and his rifle.
 
strong and independent and an important character

but forgot that, even in the zombie apocalypse: LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE STREET!
 
I don't know. But this season has been full of flashbacks.


I liked the flashbacks that showed the backstory. Like Eugene and the Sarge. But this week it just confirmed what we all already assumed.

If they are gonna split into three story lines I would prefer 20 min. each every week than one each week and two on hiatus.
 
Mid-season in 2 episodes is it just me or did this episode feel like they were writing Carol's epilog? a recap of who she was and is and how she feels like she has no place or reason to continue? Is she the cast member who dies at the mid-season finale?


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Yeah, I definitely got that feeling too. I suspect Carol bites it saving Beth/the group on the mid season finale, but that it just my suspicion.
 
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