The Vermont Travel Guide

[seedavid]

Is there a part of the sign that says MEN ONLY TRANSGENDER FOLK GO PISS OUTSIDE? If so I don't see it. What I see is a "cutesy" way of designating the restrooms not a damning of any group of people. I am genuinely curious how you get to these signs being transphobic because they have a penis and vagina as apposed to a M and W.

I'm pretty sure I've already said it twice, but I guess I'll say it a third time. The signs insist that only those with penises can be men and use the men's room, and only those with vaginas can be women and use the women's room. And, to be clear,
gender ≠ genitalia.

So the symbol on the door has a dick, in effect saying that that room is for people with dicks. And maybe you don't immediately recognize this, and only see it as cutesy because you aren't a member of the trans community. That's fine, but you can't discount the reaction a group of people has simply because you don't have the same reaction. You were born with the privilege of never having to think twice about which bathroom to use. Many trans folks don't have such an easy time, and for them, such a set of signs would be hurtful, and it can make them feel intimidated, unwelcome, and uncomfortable. Nobody deserves to suffer internal conflict about where they can pee when they're at a restaurant.

I think I've made my point, and if you feel differently, that's cool. I respect that. Go drink all of the Pro Pig beers, and eat all of their bbq. I sincerely hope that every drop and bite are delicious.

 

[MooltiPass]

They're clearly a reaction to someone being offended by the original Men/Women bathroom signs. I don't know the context or reason for the original offense that was taken so I'll not speculate there.

I think the response from the Pro Pig is pretty clearly uncalled for and needlessly aggressive. Putting offense in quotes trivializes and attacks the motivations of whoever took issue with the signs. Regardless of your opinion on whether they should have taken offense I generally dislike this reaction because it immediately fails at any attempt to understand or connect with another person and their opinions. It instantly disregards them and then implies that they're a liar or have ulterior motivations.

Then setting up new signs that are clearly gendered in ways that are meant to be "subtle" is a slap in the face to folks who have struggled with gender identity. It does nothing to address the original complaint, regardless of its validity, and is seemingly intended only as an insult to the first person who complained.

I think they took a situation where they could have taken the high road and instead, in an effort to stick it to one person who may have been overly sensitive, whether justifiably or not, are now doing something that could be easily and more broadly taken as offensive by an entire group of people. It's crass, unfeeling, and lacks empathy for others.

In the end, if it doesn't offend you it doesn't offend you, but I think you're looking at the situation in a far too simplistic light. Just because the signs don't explicitly insult people who are transgender doesn't mean that they're not insulting or problematic. Issues like this tend to be more subtle, and the way that the Pro Pig reacted and doubled down on gender norms is absolutely something I take issue with.

 

[BadJustin]

Guys, don't Toxic topics an otherwise helpful thread. Thanks.

- Everyone

 

[abawol01]

Guys, don't Toxic topics an otherwise helpful thread. Thanks.

- Everyone

I could use some pulled pork mac n cheese right about now.

 

[bsc]

It is currently ~20 degrees and slightly overcast in Vermont.

Dirt roads are likely to be very muddy next week, plan accordingly if you are travelling through

 

[seedavid]

It is currently ~20 degrees and slightly overcast in Vermont.

Dirt roads are likely to be very muddy next week, plan accordingly if you are travelling through

How much longer do you think the huevos rancheros at Old Stagecoach will last? I'm heading up in April for the Lawson's Anniversary, and I'm hoping they'll still be available for on-site consumption.

 

[user 307594]

Your concerns have been heard. I taped down the signs such that they solely read M and W.

 

[abawol01]

Your concerns have been heard. I taped down the signs such that they solely read M and W.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Don't give in to this crap. Seriously though, it's your business, do what you feel is right.

 

[seedavid]

Your concerns have been heard. I taped down the signs such that they solely read M and W.

Thank you for doing that.

I sincerely appreciate it, and now I can look forward to trying what I understand are some amazing beers and bbq.

 

[GuzzleMcBrew]

Prohibition Pig Chicken Biscuits are a thing of utmost beauty.

 

[BadJustin]

The only reason my wife tolerates VT runs are because we go to the Pro Pig. True story.

 

[Os]

Thank you for doing that.

I sincerely appreciate it, and now I can look forward to trying what I understand are some amazing beers and bbq.

Pork rinds and pimento cheese curds... you're welcome

 

[seedavid]

Can anybody speak to the quality of weekday breakfast spots in Montpelier? Specifically, a place to eat after copping Heady at Hunger Mountain on a Thursday morning. The Skinny Pancake's menu is looking pretty good, but I'm open to suggestions.

 

[Os]

Can anybody speak to the quality of weekday breakfast spots in Montpelier? Specifically, a place to eat after copping Heady at Hunger Mountain on a Thursday morning. The Skinny Pancake's menu is looking pretty good, but I'm open to suggestions.

Only place I've had breakfast in Montpelier... heard that corner diner was good though.

 

[Frank1]

There's a new spot, down home kitchen. Been once, it was decent.

 

[RochesterAaron1]

Can anybody speak to the quality of weekday breakfast spots in Montpelier? Specifically, a place to eat after copping Heady at Hunger Mountain on a Thursday morning. The Skinny Pancake's menu is looking pretty good, but I'm open to suggestions.

Tucker will hate me for saying this, but the breakfast burrito at skinny pancake in montpelier is on point when you don't feel like waiting for three penny to open. They ask you if you want bacon though. The question never makes sense when I'm feeling really hazy after a night at Tucker's house (oof). Why the **** wouldn't you want bacon?

 

[kcherney]

I have been wanting to try the Lost Nation Gose for a while... Will I be able to find cans at Willie's or Parker this week, or should I go to the brewery?

 

[falc0n26001]

I have been wanting to try the Lost Nation Gose for a while... Will I be able to find cans at Willie's or Parker this week, or should I go to the brewery?

It was all over Stowe when I was there. Lots of random places had it. And maybe Burlington too? And Waterbury?

 

[coldafpipes]

I have been wanting to try the Lost Nation Gose for a while... Will I be able to find cans at Willie's or Parker this week, or should I go to the brewery?

The food is great, goto the brewery.

 

[kcherney]

Thanks. Looks like Tomlinson's is the closest place (to Hill) to get some Heady too... Anywhere else it would be available?

 

[supremepie]

Your concerns have been heard. I taped down the signs such that they solely read M and W.

Who are you to force such archaic gender roles on us?!?!? I personally identify as a gaseous cloud(insert fart joke here), where am I supposed to leave my excrement?! *eyeroll*


Clarification: It's VT.. For the most part nobody cares what you identify as.. Poop wherever you feel most comfortable pooping (hopefully that's a bathroom)...

 

[Juice1]

So glad I read the last few pages, added so many more people to my ignore list. What a time to be alive.


Pro Pig is the bomb, that is all.

 

[abawol01]

So glad I read the last few pages, added so many more people to my ignore list. What a time to be alive.


Pro Pig is the bomb, that is all.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You can't read this!!!

 

[bsc]

So glad I read the last few pages, added so many more people to my ignore list. What a time to be alive.


Pro Pig is the bomb, that is all.

IRONICALLY, BAD TRADERS ARE ALREADY ON MY IGNORE LIST.

 

[user 307594]

Cut it out; I don't want to deal with this **** again.

 

[BadJustin]

Vacation time in for the week ending 4/22, I shall gorge myself on my 40th with Pro Pig Mac & Cheese multiple times daily. Zero Fuxx. natejohnson, I can haz a candle in my mac and cheese?

 

[user 307594]

Vacation time in for the week ending 4/22, I shall gorge myself on my 40th with Pro Pig Mac & Cheese multiple times daily. Zero Fuxx. natejohnson, I can haz a candle in my mac and cheese?

Send an email to [email protected]. I don't handle much in the restaurant beyond draft line cleaning and putting new beers on tap, and apparently dealing with bathroom signs.

(srsly, don't. Berkeley, our GM, will be pissed at me for such shenanigans)

 

[BadJustin]

Send an email to [email protected]. I don't handle much in the restaurant beyond draft line cleaning and putting new beers on tap, and apparently dealing with bathroom signs.

(srsly, don't. Berkeley, our GM, will be pissed at me for such shenanigans)

But I can ask if you're around when I fill crowlers cause I'd like to shake your hand cause I like your beerz?

 

[user 307594]

But I can ask if you're around when I fill crowlers cause I'd like to shake your hand cause I like your beerz?

Only if you aren't a d-bag. I got a pretty strict no d-bag rule. It's rule 16.

 

[BadJustin]

That's subjective but I'd like to think no.