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TexLaw

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I'm sure this post will fade away soon enough, but I thought it's worth a moment to synthesize and summarize a few observations and hope it helps someone. After some years of brewing and a few months of reading this forum, I've talked to and heard from many new brewers. I've also noticed that nearly every mistake a new brewer makes is due to one or more of the following reasons:

1 - Lack of Information. Hey, no one expects a new brewer to be a walking tome of brewing knowledge, so don't sweat it here. If you have some clue what you're doing, you're probably ahead of 50% of other new brewers. Still, you'll probably make more mistakes because you don't know something than any other reason, so get used to it.

However, that doesn't mean that you need to stop learning. There's a lot out there, and you'll never learn it all. Just accept that fact that you know a whole lot less than you will know. In fact, revel in that fact. The early days are the most fun times to learn, so have that fun!

Also, the other reasons below are closely related to this one.

2 - Lack of Patience. Second only to Lack of Knowledge, more new brewers make more mistakes due to lack of patience. Brewing takes time, and good brewing takes even more time. You are dealing with chemical reactions and living things, and they go by their own schedule. You cannot rush it and expect good results. It just doesn't work that way. If you don't give your yeast time to work and your beer time to condition, your beer won't be as good as if you did. If you get all antsy and bottle before your fermentation is done, you'll make bottle bombs. Man, I know it's hard to wait, but patience has real value in this hobby.

Now, it isn't just that antsy, can't-wait-until-Christmas-morning sort of impatience. Sometimes, it works the other way, too. I've mourned many dumped batches where a new brewer thought a batch was contaminated due to normal fermentation aromas, appearances, and activity where a little patience would have saved the batch.

I've also seen so much overreaching by new brewers. After overcoming the anxiety of brewing that first batch, so many want to go straight to the advanced course and start brewing highly complicated beers. Take your time, learn slowly and thoroughly, and build your skills and craft. If you go too far too fast, you won't get the chance to learn from your mistakes, and you'll just be frustrated when you don't know how to correct the problems you have with your beer.

Relax. Don't worry. Have a homebrew (or, if you're working on your first, have something else - the homebrew will come in due time).

And, don't try to brew lagers unless you can ferment them at the proper temperatures. :)

3 - Lack of Care. Unfortunately, there is some tedium in brewing. Even more unfortunately, if you don't go through some of the tedium, you'll tend to make bad beer. You need to take the time to plan a brewday if you're going to get it all done correctly. You need to take notes about what you do if you want to have a hope of correcting it or, if you do something good, repeating it. You need to take a hydrometer reading if you want to know what you're yeast is up to. You need to sanitize properly if you want to reliably avoid contamination. You need to clean up immediately after brewing if you want to clean effectively. It might not be fun, but it's got to be done.

Yeah, you'll come across someone who says "screw it" and just flies by the seat of the pants, and you might be able to pull that off. If so, well, more power to you. Don't count on it, though.

These are just a few thoughts that, maybe, might lead to a little less anxiety and a couple fewer mistakes down the road. Have fun!


TL

edit: Added that "not" Bradsul mentioned!
 
Good Pointers,

I've seen all three these from friends of mine who started this hobby. I am fortunate that I read about this for a few years on and off. I knew these were common problems and didn't make these mistakes when I got started.

This should help the n00bs!!! :rockin:
 
TexLaw said:
1 - Lack of Information.
2 - Lack of Patience.
3 - Lack of Care.
TL

OK, I can sum up all 3 of these things with one statement.

"Most of us are MEN!"

Add to that the fact that a lot of the new brewers are younger blokes....

I swear I NEVER read the instructions that came with ANYTHING when I was younger. Try it first, and if it doesn't work, read the manual to find out where you messed up.

I'm not being sexist, just stating the fact that men are notorious fore going in at full speed without all of the information or patience they require to complete the task.

After a while we learn that to do anything properly, it takes time, patience and the correct information to get the job done right.

Just ask my first girlfriend, then ask my wife. Years of learning and practice make every job you do come out better :D
 
yes, relax, I understand that.

I agree about not rushing in to complicated beers. I've done 7 so far, and my next big "complicated" step is going to be to make a starter.:ban:

I will say this, however, back at you for your advice.

It is just a tad frustrating when you hear basically contrary advice or instructions.

Here is an example. Nowhere in the instructions on any of the ingredient kits I have bought does it say you are supposed to steep the specialty grains and then WRING the bleep out of them or rinse them with water until they run clear. My brew buddy went to a brew-pub that did public brewing and they said that was one of the single most important things to do. If it is something that simple, why don't the instructions say it, or, is it not really true?

Yes, I know, RDWHAHB. I do that.

I do like the "mysteriousness" of it. Just seem like you have to weed through differing advice....:eek:
 
x1000 on the overeaching.

make simple brews. don't add spices to a beer unless you've alreayd brewed that beer without them.

stick to one base malt (or extract) and a few specialty malts in small quantities. keep the hop additions simple so you know what you're tasting.

you can make some amazing complexity with basic ingredients and the simplest brews often turn out to be the best ones (i.e. try a hefeweizen ;))

keep a log of everything and you'll find that the biggest part of learning is screwing up and knowing what happened! :D and 99% of the time, even if something doesn't taste quite right...you've still made beer :rockin:
 
The Bone2 said:
Nowhere in the instructions on any of the ingredient kits I have bought does it say you are supposed to steep the specialty grains and then WRING the bleep out of them or rinse them with water until they run clear.

speaking of differing advice...IMO you're not supposed to wring them and you don't really have to rinse them (although rinsing with hot water would help.) Rinsing is more important if you are doing partial mashing or all-grain when you sparge the grains.

the most important part with grains is the correct amount of water and the proper temperature :)

:mug:
 
DeathBrewer said:
keep a log of everything and you'll find that the biggest part of learning is screwing up and knowing what happened! :D and 99% of the time, even if something doesn't taste quite right...you've still made beer :rockin:

I'd have to agree 100% with this. We take great care to record everything now where in the beginning we didn't take very good notes and have little clue what we did and we can't tweak our recipes.
 
I really believe that #1 (lack of learning) is the most important. Before my first brew I read Palmer, and Papazian's books and took notes. Now that I am doing All Grain, I reread Palmers's stuff on AG brewing and study the info. on the AG/Partial Forum. I am surprised at SOME of the questions asked by SOME beginners. Just a little reading will clear up so many questions.
 
I'm reading it and appreciating it very much. My #1 problem is patience, I've never had and probably never will.

Now for a question I never thought of, am I supposed to wring out the grain bag when I remove it or just pull it out and toss it? I have to admit I wringed on my first batch.
 
Talk about your differing advice, and here comes some more. :) I've never wrung out the steeping bag, but I do rinse it. I pull it out of the kettle, let it drip a bit in a large strainer, and then move it to one of my one gallon buckets (still suspended in the strainer). Then, I give it a decent rinse with some water (volume depends on the amount of grain in the bag) and let it drain some more.

You'll always get differing advice, and you'll find respected references giving contradictory instructions and information. Brewing is a craft, and craftsfolk have different ways of doing things. Keep reading beyond those kit instructions, and you might be amazed what's out there. That's part of the fun and beauty of the craft. With experience, you'll learn more, pick up more tips, and find what works for you. In short, you'll find your style, and you'll continue to develop it over time. Enjoy the journey.


TL
 
Excellent post, TexLaw, thank you.

As a n00b myself, I have made each of the mistakes you mention and learned from them.

With regards to Point 1 (and The Bone2), there is a lot of old and conflicting information out there on homebrewing - especially on the internet. For example, we are all aware of certain YouTube posters who give truly terrible information. Some kits I've used came with shoddy directions, that had I not known better, would have surely made bad beer.

The science of homebrewing has advanced tremendously in the past 15 years or so, and I think its important that people get their information from up to date and credible sources. My personal favorites are this forum, How to Brew, and Brewing Classic Styles.
 
Soulive said:
Prosted! Now where are all the n00bs who should be reading this???


Hitting the wiki first, noobs may find it very technical.

Maybe there should be a informal preamble featuring some of these ideas..?? (maybe there is, not sure).
 
I also think patience needs to be stressed on brew day!

Of course its important after the brew is done. I found however that if you are patient during sanitation and while brewing/cooling/transfering it will pay off. I used to feel I had to get the wort transfered and closed within 5 seconds to avoid infection. Sometimes Id forget to take an O.G. reading. I guess when you first start there is that initial I have to hurry to get all my addition times right, avoid infection, make sure everything is sanitized, etc.

When I relax and Im patient during these steps I dont forget to do anything.
 
Tex, Excellent post.
It is sad that so many kits come with such poor directions. Many rookies get very conflicting information because books like How To Brew and forums like this try to tell them the way to get the best results while many kits give them instructions that tell them the cheapest and easiest way to brew. Cheap and easy may sell the can but I sure quality results hooks a lot more hobbyist.

I have learned a ton in my first year of brewing and much of it has come from this forum. Thanks to everyone here.
Craig
 
Might I add:

Yeast are alive. They are not little booze making machines or a magic powder that transforms wort into beer. Alcohol is what they make when life gets tough for them. As is the case with all living things, a little care and control of conditions pays big dividends.
 
TexLaw, an excellent resource. Nice job. However, here
1 - Lack of Information. Hey, no one expects a new brewer to be a walking tome of brewing knowledge, so don't sweat it here. If you have some clue what you're doing, you're probably ahead of 50% of other new brewers. Still, you'll probably make more mistakes because you don't know something than any other reason, so get used to it.
you are way too gentle, in my opinion. With How to Brew online for free, the wealth of information available in this forum and a dozen others, solid online courses like Chris Holst's Homebrewing for the Absolute Beginner and the knowledge available at nearly every homebrew shop around, there is no excuse for not having at least a passing idea of what you are doing. Those folks who seemingly work to remain ignorant while surrounded by a sea of information make the rest of us want to take them out back and demonstrate the other use for a racking cane :D

Chad

Man, I'm grumpy this morning.
 
I'm totally missing something here, if you are just supposed to pull the grain bag and toss it out why would you rinse the bag after you removed it?
 
Tex, thank you. Being a n00b myself, reading Palmer and this forum I have picked up and assumed these things. However it is still nice to see it laid out and in print. It is one thing to read all of this, and nod your head and go "well ok", it is a complete different thing to learn from it. When I started doing this "hobby" I didn't have a clue that it was so involved, and I didn't think that I would get anywhere near as obsessed about it as I have. I love it, that part makes me smile.

I understand about taking your time. Last night I whipped up a batch of EdWorts Apfelwein. Now I have read that some seasoned brewers did the whole process in like 30 minutes. It took me over on hour, simply because I wanted to make sure that I did every last thing correctly. Going back over it, there are things that I would have done differently, I recognize these now, know what they are, and I am going to think about it and take the steps to fix it. Don't know if I would have been able to do that if I would have just rushed through it.

So to make a long post longer, thanks again. I hope in time, and I a sure that I will, I will be able to help n00bs like myself with posts just like your's. Thanks! :mug:

Steve
 
DeathBrewer said:
x1000 on the overeaching.

make simple brews. don't add spices to a beer unless you've alreayd brewed that beer without them.

stick to one base malt (or extract) and a few specialty malts in small quantities. keep the hop additions simple so you know what you're tasting.

you can make some amazing complexity with basic ingredients and the simplest brews often turn out to be the best ones (i.e. try a hefeweizen ;))

keep a log of everything and you'll find that the biggest part of learning is screwing up and knowing what happened! :D and 99% of the time, even if something doesn't taste quite right...you've still made beer :rockin:

+1 If the recipe is to complicated it really makes it difficult to determine where you can improve.
 
nyer said:
I'm totally missing something here, if you are just supposed to pull the grain bag and toss it out why would you rinse the bag after you removed it?

Any of the rinse water that you run through your grain bag should be added back to your wort. Sometimes it easier to move the grain bag to a strainer and let it drip into a separate pot...but add the drippings and rinse water back to the wort before boiling.
 
nyer said:
I'm totally missing something here, if you are just supposed to pull the grain bag and toss it out why would you rinse the bag after you removed it?

It will get out the sugars and flavours that are trapped inside it. You want to collect the runnings without extracting any tannins from the grain husks. Squeezing it extracts tannins. When I used to do extract batches I'd just pull the bag and put it in a hand held strainer. I'd ladle wort over the grain bag for a little bit and then finish off with some clear water that was heated to temp in another pot.
 
nyer said:
I'm totally missing something here, if you are just supposed to pull the grain bag and toss it out why would you rinse the bag after you removed it?

More of that conflicting advice. The person that said to just pull it and toss it would not rinse it after removing it.

You have three basic options:
1) Steep, remove grain, discard grain. - Simple and easy. You might be leaving behind a small amount of residual sugar and colour.

2) Steep, remove grain, rinse grain, discard grain. - Ensures that you're extracting all of the colour and sugar you can. There are several ways you can rinse, some involving a separate vessel and some not. Basically, pour water over the grains until it comes out fairly light.

3) Steep, remove grain, rinse grain, squeeze grain, discard grain. - Ensures that you're extracting all of the colour and sugar you can. Also presents a risk of tannin extraction and other bad things. I've never seen a reputable source recommend this.

I would say that the most important thing would be consistency. If you switch methods constantly it will make it more difficult to tell where you messed up (or got it right) when a beer turns out differently this time than it did last time.
 
+1 on the making simple beers! I've been brewing less than a year, and am focused on getting to know my equipment (AG) so I have 3 simple recipies that I brew... over and over until I get them right. When you know your gear you make better beer.... hey that rhymes...
 
flowerysong said:
You have three basic options:

3) Steep, remove grain, rinse grain, squeeze grain, discard grain. - Ensures that you're extracting all of the colour and sugar you can. Also presents a risk of tannin extraction and other bad things. I've never seen a reputable source recommend this.

Then look around a little more. This is straight out of Palmer's How to Brew, first edition:

Remove the grain bag from the pot, giving it a squeeze to drain the excess wort and avoid dripping on the stove.

It's hard to find the "right" answer in brewing. First of all, there has to be one, and "right answers" are hen's teeth in this craft. Find what works, and then do it again.


TL
 
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