The Grocery Store Challenge

[VikeMan]

Human saliva has amylase enzymes if anyone is willing to try

This young lady is way ahead of you on that.

 

[cmac62]

Here is an interesting article about an ancient brewery in Chile and it indicates the corn was not always chewed, but malted. Check it out. An Alternative History of Chicha, the Ancient Peruvian Corn Beer (Not) Made With Human Saliva

Got this from the No Barley thread.

 

[bracconiere]

After this batch maybe try standing them on their ends to see if there is any difference

i've got enough malting experince to know what the difference would be...baby got bacteria! (tying into spit brew....kinda like a cow chewing it's cud?)


edit: and Mo'Fo's you should take this thread seriously! there was prohibition once! never know if the sobs will try again! whether it be taxes or what not!

(and)

 

[cmac62]

there was prohibition once! never know if the sobs will try again! whether it be taxes or what not!

At this time I think it is going the other way, I can get more potent MJ than I ever did in the late 70s and early 80s. LOL

 

[NickTheGreat]

MY grocery store has beer. Can I brew with that?

 

[bracconiere]

I can get more potent MJ

what is that?

 

[davidabcd]

A grocery store's "strength" appears to be wine or mead but not anything beer-like.
Yeast can be gotten from some of the fruits, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[bracconiere]

not anything beer-like.

we'll see, i plan on staying in the ring more then one round.....

edit: (i don't want to be remebered as spinks)

 

[VikeMan]

Yeast can be gotten from some of the fruits, if I'm not mistaken.

If you live in a place where grocery stores sell beer, yeast can also be had from some of the bottles.

 

[bracconiere]

If you live in a place where grocery stores sell beer, yeast can also be had from some of the bottles.

damn i didn't even think about yeast really....i was just thinking creative ways to break down BIG glucose to bite sized chunks.....but i do have a positive pressure glove box, i could pour a bit of store bought beer on a petri dish...of course with a wheat germ media bought at the grocery!

 

[davidabcd]

If you live in a place where grocery stores sell beer,

If I live in a place where grocery stores sell beer?
Not way out here in Detroit.
Seriously, getting yeast from beer seems obvious or less of a challenge.

 

[davidabcd]

we'll see, i plan on staying in the ring more then one round

I know very little about beer unless on the beaten path. "What to malt" seems to be where I'm stuck. I don't doubt there are breakfast cereals with all barley or something. I never eat it so I'm a little out of the loop.

 

[VikeMan]

Seriously, getting yeast from beer seems obvious or less of a challenge.

If I were going to go the fruit yeast route, I'd probably be looking for the powderiest grapes I could find.

I don't doubt there are breakfast cereals with all barley or something. I never eat it so I'm a little out of the loop.

Thr trick is to find a grain that hasn't been dehusked (if a normally husked grain) or polished. You need the aleurone layer to be intact. My guess is you won't find any breakfast cereals with grains in that state.

 

[davidabcd]

powderiest grapes

That was the fruit I was trying to remember.

hr trick is to find a grain that hasn't been dehusked (if a normally husked grain) or polished. You need the aleurone layer to be intact. My guess is you won't find any breakfast cereals with grains in that state.

That's what makes me think that beer production shouldn't be the goal in a grocery store but wine and mead for sure.
I'll be looking forward to reading of any successes that taste like beer.

 

[Velnerj]

I've always wondered if Caro (the coffee substitute drink powder) made with malted barley would beer... Perhaps some enzymes survived the processing?

 

[bracconiere]

I know very little about beer unless on the beaten path. "What to malt" seems to be where I'm stuck. I don't doubt there are breakfast cereals with all barley or something. I never eat it so I'm a little out of the loop.

well, i can say...cleanching your ass cheeks isn't going to keep you safe from the rock man...

loosen up up, relaxe, have some fun....i'm trying brown rice sprouts, because i've sprouted em before...but never realy tested their enzymes, just knew they didn't mash, probably because of the high gel temp of the starch....going to see if it will convert white gravy though! should be quick to observe! gravy turned to sweet water by sprouted rice...

 

[bracconiere]

I've always wondered if Caro (the coffee substitute drink powder) made with malted barley would beer... Perhaps some enzymes survived the processing?

well, we're all just goofing off, give it a try and find out! be sure to explain the proccess for critiism.....i need to know if you mash at the right temp, or gel'd the starch first!

 

[Velnerj]

Doesn't vegemite contain leftover brewers yeast? Just sayin'...

I think I remember reading that bullion cubes contain yeast...

Also couldn't one make a sour dough from flour and get yeast there?

Thats all too far for me but just tossing up ideas...

 

[Miraculix]

Yeast is no problem, malting is no problem, enzymes to convert stuff are no problem, the problem is a proper bittering agent that has the same antibacterial properties that hops have.

 

[davidabcd]

cleanching your ass cheeks isn't going to keep you safe from the rock man

While I can't claim to understand your humor most of the time, the sometimes-involuntary muscles that control my bowels are fine, thank you very much!
Yes, I'm not insulted!

 

[cmac62]

A grocery store's "strength" appears to be wine or mead but not anything beer-like.
Yeast can be gotten from some of the fruits, if I'm not mistaken.

I was looking at the brewers yeast in the vitamin/supplement aisle, but does not look promising as I think it is inactive. There should be bread yeast for sure, but wild yeast on some of the fruits and veg. Also the spouts near me has a lot of botanicals/extracts. I can get yarrow, feverfew, and a bunch of other stuff so bittering should not be much of an issue. Now it is just working on flavor combos and grain conversion if you want to make a beer. You could always use some probiotics to sour it to hide the yeast character. Good belly or yogurt should work.

 

[davidabcd]

I was looking at the brewers yeast in the vitamin/supplement aisle, but does not look promising as I think it is inactive. There should be bread yeast for sure, but wild yeast on some of the fruits and veg. Also the spouts near me has a lot of botanicals/extracts. I can get yarrow, feverfew, and a bunch of other stuff so bittering should not be much of an issue. Now it is just working on flavor combos and grain conversion if you want to make a beer. You could always use some probiotics to sour it to hide the yeast character. Good belly or yogurt should work

Those are some good points.
Grocery stores are varied pretty widely--Kroger VS Whole Foods and maybe Trader Joe's and whatever is in between.
Anyone come up with the best hop substitute? You might have, wasn't watching that closely.
Brussel sprouts come to mind--those puppies can be decently bitter. And then there's got to be a host of others like cabbage and so forth.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm concerned about the base (barley) and what could be subbed.

 

[cmac62]

I saw some sprouted spelt flour and I wonder if this still has enzymes intact? I know there will be some wild yeast in there for sure, but I don't think I want a sour beer.

 

[cmac62]

Anyone come up with the best hop substitute?

I got a 6er of Hoplark Water. I figure I'll put the whold 6er in and see what happens. Also I'll bitter with some other plant life, not sure what yet.

 

[cmac62]

Yeast is no problem, malting is no problem, enzymes to convert stuff are no problem, the problem is a proper bittering agent that has the same antibacterial properties that hops have.

Or smaller batches so it gets consumed before it goes bad. Question of how bad also, lacto is definitely an option.

 

[z-bob]

honestly i've been wondering if bean-o tablets is out of bounds?

That's exactly what I was thinking. (I haven't scrolled down yet to see if there's an answer)

 

[cmac62]

If you can buy it at the grocery store it is fair game.

 

[z-bob]

Yeast is no problem, malting is no problem, enzymes to convert stuff are no problem, the problem is a proper bittering agent that has the same antibacterial properties that hops have.

That's not a problem either if you make a sour beer instead of hopped. (I've done it before, it was pretty good)

 

[davidabcd]

6er of Hoplark Water

creative, for sure.

 

[bracconiere]

While I can't claim to understand your humor most of the time, the sometimes-involuntary muscles that control my bowels are fine, thank you very much!
Yes, I'm not insulted!

that was a refrence to some travolta movie.....