The Grocery Store Challenge

[Drewch]

Grape-Nuts ingredients:

Prob no enzymes left, tho.

 

[z-bob]

Bread (or any ready-to-eat breakfast cereal) and Bean-o might work. No malt necessary. Ferment with bread yeast. No, I don't want to try it.

I have used cheap white bread as a fermentable before and it worked okay. Cornflakes cereal (different brew) worked better, OTOH the cornflakes were a much more reasonable percentage of the grist.

 

[InspectorJon]

Hop water or beer boiled down to a concentrate might yield the hop bittering portion.

 

[Miraculix]

Hop water or beer boiled down to a concentrate might yield the hop bittering portion.

This sounds geniously disgusting

 

[Miraculix]

That's not a problem either if you make a sour beer instead of hopped. (I've done it before, it was pretty good)

That is true. If you want a sour beer, the supermarket has everything you need. I just like the challenge to NOT sour the beer somehow!

Probablby we would end up with something that needs to be drunk during active fermentation, just like those oldschool ales. Otherwise it would sour over time.

 

[Miraculix]

Or smaller batches so it gets consumed before it goes bad. Question of how bad also, lacto is definitely an option.

Yep, sorry, saw your post after I wrote the previous one. The medieval beers were kind of drunken fresh during fermentation, before lactos could completely take over, a bit like a kvaas nowadays... speaking of which, I have to start a new one. Isn't kvaas actually exactly what we are talking about?

 

[Northern_Brewer]

This thread seems to be a duplicate of this 300+ post thread, I suggest people read through that :

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/thread...uce-beer-experiment.69313/page-9#post-8436708

 

[bwible]

How about Malta? Does that count? There was an article in BYO (I think) years and years ago about using Malta to make starters.

 

[bracconiere]

How about Malta? Does that count? There was an article in BYO (I think) years and years ago about using Malta to make starters.

what about just dropping what ever creative sweet liquid on an old yeast cake? basicaly grew the yeast yourself?

 

[faithie999]

Human saliva has amylase enzymes if anyone is willing to try

several years ago, Sam Calagione had a short-lived series on cable called Brew Masters. in one episode, he traveled to Peru to learn how to make Chicha. the best part was a short clip showing some of his employees who had volunteered to help chew and spit out 100 lb of corn to go into a batch of Chica made at Dogfish Head. the video is available on amazon. just search Brew Masters. it is episode 2. $1.99 in SD, 2.99 in HD.

 

[madscientist451]

So when the zombie apocalypse occurs, I'm gonna cheat and look for just three ingredients: Bread yeast and

And

According to the information found here:
https://www.hogtownbrewers.org/brewschooldocs/malt-beverage-starter-info.pdfthree 12oz bottles of Malta Goya can be diluted down to make 1.7 L of yeast starter at 1.040.
I'll then add the bread yeast and once its going I'll step feed the Piloncillo (or regular sugar ) to try to make a 7-8% ABV beverage.
Will it be beer? Well sort of, at least it will have barley and hops in it.
What grocery store spices/herbs would go with this?

 

[VikeMan]

So when the zombie apocalypse occurs, I'm gonna cheat and look for just two ingredients:
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For apocalypse beer, you might want to skip the Piloncillo. Modern Malta isn't exactly like the original Malta. It's loaded with added sugars. The first two ingredients (after water) are high fructose corn syrup and corn syrup.

 

[bracconiere]

several years ago, Sam Calagione had a short-lived series on cable called Brew Masters. in one episode, he traveled to Peru to learn how to make Chicha. the best part was a short clip showing some of his employees who had volunteered to help chew and spit out 100 lb of corn to go into a batch of Chica made at Dogfish Head. the video is available on amazon. just search Brew Masters. it is episode 2. $1.99 in SD, 2.99 in HD.

i saw it when it was on....

 

[bracconiere]

So when the zombie apocalypse occurs,

don't drink and fight zombies!

 

[madscientist451]

For apocalypse beer, you might want to skip the Piloncillo. Modern Malta isn't exactly like the original Malta. It's loaded with added sugars. The first two ingredients (after water) are high fructose corn syrup and corn syrup.

I edited my post with a recipe/instructions.....
I took the day off work to go skiing, but an ice storm ruined that plan, I might make a zombie beer instead....

 

[z-bob]

I have some grocery store wine going right now that I started a week ago. It just finished fermenting but hasn't started clearing yet. Two 18 ounce jars of Aldi strawberry preserves, a gallon of water (should have been about 5 quarts of water,) and half a packet of wine yeast. (bread yeast would have worked) It's about 9% ABV right now, which is stronger than what I want so I will dilute it a bit at bottling. I'll prime and bottle it like beer, for a sparkling beverage kinda like cider.

No idea if it will be any good, that's why such a small batch.

 

[Drewch]

I might make a zombie beer instead....

Zombeer™.

Can only be killed by removing the head or destroying the grain.

 

[cmac62]

This thread seems to be a duplicate of this 300+ post thread, I suggest people read through that :

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/thread...uce-beer-experiment.69313/page-9#post-8436708

It does appear to be a similar/dup of the other thread. Never saw it before. Fun stuff. I already got info that grape nuts are a 50/50 blend of wheat and barley. Interesting.

 

[travisg]

I've got a baby; he's just turning one today. We make him oatmeal with milk, fruit puree and this cereal stuff. I've spent many hours spoon feeding this kid while contemplating the potential of the alpha amylase listed right on the ingredients list.

Earth's Best Organic Baby Oatmeal Cereal, 8 oz. Box

 

[monkeymath]

I've got a baby; he's just turning one today. We make him oatmeal with milk, fruit puree and this cereal stuff. I've spent many hours spoon feeding this kid while contemplating the potential of the alpha amylase listed right on the ingredients list.

Earth's Best Organic Baby Oatmeal Cereal, 8 oz. Box

Congrats! Our baby is only 8 months old. I'm always amazed how liquid the leftover oatmeal in her bowl is (if you leave it for a bit). I think the enzymes contained in saliva do a good job breaking down those starches. Wonder how much spit you'd need to convert an entire 5 gallon batch? ^^

I know oatmilk is made using enzymes, but I'm afraid those have been deactivated prior to packaging. This might be pushing the limits of "grocery store", but I'd go to a larger Asian grocery store and look for anything koji-related. Maybe I'd find some source of alpha-amylase there.

 

[Velnerj]

I guess there's beta amylase in sweet potatoes and there's enough diastatic power to convert themselves... Another rabbit hole for someone else...

 

[Miraculix]

Congrats! Our baby is only 8 months old. I'm always amazed how liquid the leftover oatmeal in her bowl is (if you leave it for a bit). I think the enzymes contained in saliva do a good job breaking down those starches. Wonder how much spit you'd need to convert an entire 5 gallon batch? ^^

I know oatmilk is made using enzymes, but I'm afraid those have been deactivated prior to packaging. This might be pushing the limits of "grocery store", but I'd go to a larger Asian grocery store and look for anything koji-related. Maybe I'd find some source of alpha-amylase there.

Look for Chinese rice wine yeast. It's mainly koji with some additional yeast.

 

[bracconiere]

well, my brown rice didn't sprout...so that's a flop for me....

 

[VikeMan]

I guess there's beta amylase in sweet potatoes and there's enough diastatic power to convert themselves... Another rabbit hole for someone else...

Mashed potatoes.

 

[cmac62]

I guess there's beta amylase in sweet potatoes and there's enough diastatic power to convert themselves... Another rabbit hole for someone else...

How do you get the amylase working without cooking the potatoes first? I guess I'd run them through the food processor until pulpy and add some water. Sweet potato and banana or mango might get you there? Interesting.

 

[bracconiere]

it's a hollow victory...but i got a gallon out of half my fermenter of table sugar....just need some kool-aid, so it won't be just crap vodka......still should get another gallon...and

 

[Velnerj]

How do you get the amylase working without cooking the potatoes first? I guess I'd run them through the food processor until pulpy and add some water. Sweet potato and banana or mango might get you there? Interesting.

I remember reading an article that the best mash temperature for sweet potatoes was 55C. But your results may vary.

 

[cmac62]

@Velnerj, you got me thinking (and googling). I found this abstract. Enzymatic conversion of sweet potato granular starch into fermentable sugars: Feasibility of sweet potato peel as alternative substrate for α-amylase production I did not pay for the article, but sounds promising that SP peel can possibly be used as an amylase in our grocery store beer.