Styrian Golding vs. Styrian Celeia hops?

[user 246304]

For UK hops that get closest to the spicy-citrus/orange-sweet character, I really enjoy Challenger (my favorite), First Gold (more herbal-lemony), and many of the the Slovenian Goldings. To really get the character, I find you have to use a lot of hops; much more than the usual 1-2 oz as found in many UK home brew recipes.

Sorry to resurrect, but just came across the comment (must have forgotten over the years). I like Challenger quite a bit - in fact just did an ordinary, bit of a clone of Coniston Blue Bird. When you talk about getting this character out of Challenger and needing more - I presume you're talking about late boil. Any suggestions - time? 20-15-10-5 WP-hopstand? Amounts over a 5 gallon batch?

And were you also talking about First Gold, which I also really love - do you mean, similarly, you need much more than usual? Same question as to timing and amounts as for the Challenger.

Finally, what's the basis? Lower oil contents?