Seriously???

[unionrdr]

Found this link on facebook & clicked on it...http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/27/give-me-cheap-beer-or-give-me-sobriety-just-stop-this-craft-beer-revolution

 

[HumulusHead]

Definitely getting myself into another never ending thread

but seriously is right. wtf. WTF!

 

[hunter_le five]

That was an amusing read.

While I don't agree by any stretch (duh), she does bring up some valid criticisms of craft beer:
1) It's f***ing expensive
2) Hipsters/craft beer snobs are annoying as sh*t
3) A lot of it is terrible (though I wouldn't agree with "most"), but still gets fawned over by sole virtue of being "craft"

She sounds like she's part of the "drinks solely to get drunk" crowd, which would explain why she doesn't get craft beer.

 

[HumulusHead]

also, her grammar is terrible. mine is allowed to be cuz i only write on this website. but she apparently writes for a "winner of the pulitzer prize". due to this, she is discredited immediately by me

 

[Fedora]

Wow. Ok.. Um.. yea.

 

[unionrdr]

My thoughts exactly. One of the guzzle till you puzzle crowd. If that's what you like, fine. But STFU about getting rid of what I like!

 

[Onkel_Udo]

That was an amusing read.

While I don't agree by any stretch (duh), she does bring up some valid criticisms of craft beer:
1) It's f***ing expensive
2) Hipsters/craft beer snobs are annoying as sh*t
3) A lot of it is terrible (though I wouldn't agree with "most"), but still gets fawned over by sole virtue of being "craft"

She sounds like she's part of the "drinks solely to get drunk" crowd, which would explain why she doesn't get craft beer.

I agreed until the last sentence. Personally, I think it is a backlash, partially tongue in cheek, at beer bores/snobs pushy attitudes. Few people like to hear about a hobby they are not interested in for more than a couple of sentences and I am not sure anyone likes hearing that they are "wrong" when it comes to personal taste.

Obviously, I do not agree with the whole article but taken as an amusing rant against something the writer finds objectionable, it is kind of interesting.

 

[tnance1337]

Did a bottle of craft beer kill her father or something? She seems overly upset about this. Like, way more upset than she should be.

I find it funny that there is this absolute need for people to become pretty overzealous in their use of language to convey a feeling of disapproval.

That said, I agree with her distaste of snobbery. But snobbery takes form anywhere, no matter what the medium is. It's not craft beer itself that is responsible for that.

I just can't get over how irate she seems over something that enriches an experience for other people. Does she feel the same way about wine, I wonder? Or food? Does she get pissed and start flipping tables when someone orders something on the menu with more complex flavor than say, cardboard? I mean, food is not to be enjoyed, either, right?

 

[unionrdr]

Good point. It does make one wonder how far she takes anti-snobbery. I for one don't consider myself a beer snob. I just know what I like &...shall we say, what once was?

 

[Psylocide]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[tnance1337]

Perhaps. It's still amusing, nonetheless.

 

[HB_in_Subic]

How about... If not for beer.. she would never be entertained by the opposite sex... oops? did I say that out loud?

 

[JBOGAN]

RDWHAHB, or a Victorian Bitter in her case.

 

[Melana]

I couldn't get through the article and had the urge to punch her in the mouth. Whiny toddler... PFFT.

 

[stratslinger]

I got exactly three paragraphs into her article, when she criticized "beer snobs" for doing exactly what she did in her second. Lost any interest in reading further at that point.

Seriously, in paragraph 2 she says most beer tastes bad.

In paragraph 3, she says beer snobs are bad because they say that beer they don't like tastes bad.

????????????????

Done.

 

[Hamaki]

But honestly, would an article that was fair and considerate get published? I think not. Slow news day so publish something inflammatory that might polarize some people get them reading and linking to our publication if for no other reason than to whip their team into a lather. It was making me feel a little manipulated so I didn't read the whole thing or any of the comments.

I had a similar thought to what HB mentioned. Almost seems as if the photo is intentionally unflattering.

 

[JonM]

My God, I couldn't get through the first paragraph. I absolutely hate the way dumb people write when they're trying to sound smart. But I get the gist.

Meh, there are people who say "Starbucks? Fancy cappa-mocha-latte-vanilla bulls**t coffee drinks? Give me a cup of Chock O' Nuts out of a good old percolator just the way my Daddy and my Granddaddy did, thank you very much!" She sounds like one of those types but for beer.

 

[Tin4]

Stupid is as Stupid does. My mother used to say that a lot.

 

[Greatbreweh]

I say keep on drinking your commercial chemical cocktail..... Homebrews RULE !

 

[alane1]

I don't understand the point about the craft beer crowd dominating the pub scene and ruining the conversation by just talking about what they drink. I've rarely seen this. When out with friends I order what I want to drink and they order what they want to drink, there's nobody making any judgments. Call it like it is...if some pretentious jerk wants to fawn over their beer and call what everyone else drinks crap it doesn't mean they're a craft beer lover, it just means they're an a**hole. Which is exactly what she did just the opposite way around. She needs to get a life if all she worries about is what other people drink, seriously

 

[Glasscloud]

It being expensive is her only valid criticism. But high quality anything is going to cost more than cheap ****. Let's put an end to all restaurants that aren't taco bell, kfc, mcdonalds etc...


Also the only bars I've been to that only serve craft beer are those little dingey ones AT craft/micro breweries and homebrew stores. Every actual bar I've went to still served Heineken/Budweiser/pbr along side their craft options.

 

[vanishingpint]

Ok. She is in Oz and I don't pretend to to know what the drinking culture is there,but if it leaves a chunderous ? after taste I can see her point. NOT !

 

[ChefRex]

She ain't too pretty, she needs the guy that picks her up in the bar to be smashed so he won't notice, taste don't matter!

Full disclosure, I need to see he ass to make a proper decision

 

[Monkey-BB]

I read the first sentence.......
Then ..... Blah..Blah..Blah.. Blah..Blah..Blah... Time to pour a Homebrew.

 

[vanishingpint]

Can't say about her ass, but if she fell down you might have to milk her a couple times to get her up.Well that was just wrong .I wish I was sorry i said that.

 

[Zuljin]

I couldn't get through the article and had the urge to punch her in the mouth. Whiny toddler... PFFT.

I got exactly three paragraphs into her article, when she criticized "beer snobs" for doing exactly what she did in her second. Lost any interest in reading further at that point.

Seriously, in paragraph 2 she says most beer tastes bad.

In paragraph 3, she says beer snobs are bad because they say that beer they don't like tastes bad.

????????????????

Done.

My God, I couldn't get through the first paragraph. I absolutely hate the way dumb people write when they're trying to sound smart. But I get the gist.

Meh, there are people who say "Starbucks? Fancy cappa-mocha-latte-vanilla bulls**t coffee drinks? Give me a cup of Chock O' Nuts out of a good old percolator just the way my Daddy and my Granddaddy did, thank you very much!" She sounds like one of those types but for beer.

I read the first sentence.......
Then ..... Blah..Blah..Blah.. Blah..Blah..Blah... Time to pour a Homebrew.

I didn't even click the link in the opening post and I was disgusted.

 

[Hamaki]

I didn't even click the link in the opening post and I was disgusted.

Sometimes arriving at the party late and hearing the inflated version of something that happened before you arrived beats the hell out of witnessing it firsthand :cross:

 

[Rotor_Head]

Well, to be fair, I hate $hitty journalism too. At least my livelihood isn't riding on my "Craft" beer.

 

[Onkel_Udo]

Sometimes arriving at the party late and hearing the inflated version of something that happened before you arrived beats the hell out of witnessing it firsthand :cross:

Like watching a terrible TV show with the sound off? I suggest Baywatch.

 

[campbellmike]

Clever article in my opinion. She get attention from both camps. It's easy to pick her argument apart or to agree wholeheartedly depending on your views. Just like most political articles.

 

[Homercidal]

Sometimes it's hard to fill your writing quota.

 

[Beernik]

This is what I read:

"I think Cheese Wiz and Oscar Meyer Bologna are the epitome of fine cuisine. I don't care what is in it. I don't want to taste it. I just want to eat and be full."

There are people like this in the world. I work with one. She constantly asks at restaurants when we all go out to lunch, "Is this spicy." My response is always, "For me, no. For you, yes."

What do you call an anti-epicure? If there isn't a word for it, we need to invent one.

Btw, anyone who uses "chunderous" in a sentence cannot claim to not be unpretentious.

 

[Singletrack]

I couldn't help thinking that if she had been writing about wine, it would have been funny -- or maybe I should say, funny for a different reason. I don't understand wine; she doesn't understand beer.

 

[hunter_le five]

"I think Cheese Wiz and Oscar Meyer Bologna are the epitome of fine cuisine. I don't care what is in it. I don't want to taste it. I just want to eat and be full."

There are people like this in the world. I work with one. She constantly asks at restaurants when we all go out to lunch, "Is this spicy." My response is always, "For me, no. For you, yes."

What do you call an anti-epicure? If there isn't a word for it, we need to invent one.

You just described my SWMBO.

It never ceases to irritate the sh!t out of me.

 

[Hello]

That was an amusing read.

While I don't agree by any stretch (duh), she does bring up some valid criticisms of craft beer:
1) It's f***ing expensive
2) Hipsters/craft beer snobs are annoying as sh*t
3) A lot of it is terrible (though I wouldn't agree with "most"), but still gets fawned over by sole virtue of being "craft"

She sounds like she's part of the "drinks solely to get drunk" crowd, which would explain why she doesn't get craft beer.

I do agree that craft beer is overly expensive and those who really get into their beer to the point where that is all they want to discuss while drinking do annoy me. I will go to shares and such and discuss things like that, but I am among "my people". I try to dial **** down when I'm just out and about.

I definitely think she is of the drinks to get drunk crowd. She even writes, "They’re also expensive, which means the price of finding one that doesn’t taste like licking a compost heap is too damn high (unless someone is giving them to you for free, which should be the only legal form of beer evangelism). This point can be lost on craft beer nerds, who are either higher income earners or so obsessed with their beer hobby that they can’t imagine why anyone would pay less exacting attention to the fizzy brown stuff they drink to give themselves a buzz."

FYI, craft beer can be a session beer. Craft beer does not have a floor and ceiling ABV limit. I do not think MOST craft beer is bad and I've never been to any brewery or bar that wasn't 100% fine giving me samples. In fact, I had 4 samples at a brewery only to find out which one I wanted in my growler. I wasn't even drinking there that day.

This over-emotional craft beer hater can go F herself with a bud light in hand but before that, she should do some research. Many breweries that I've been to or bars that highlight craft beer still serve BMC or a brewery serves a beer that is very close to something from the BMC group. She just sounds angry and ignorant.

 

[Zepth]

This over-emotional craft beer hater can go F herself with a bud light in hand

Wait, if she's doing that. And the bottle is in her hand... 2+2... Oh my.

Back when craft beer was first hitting the market I admit I didn't understand the appeal to it. Not saying any of them were bad - then again when they were first coming onto the scene I don't recall any "Tropical fruit and Seafood Porter" type ridiculousness. I can agree that some breweries are simply trying to get the strangest invention onto the market because they can.

What I can't agree with is the rest of the article. It's been said in this thread a couple times that any alcohol serving establishment we've been will still serve an option for the BMC drinkers out there. There are even some places I've been where BMC is the only thing they've got on tap, then Heineken or Corona in bottles. If she's ending up in places where craft is all that's available, she is trying to find the wrong venue to attend.

 

[Tin4]

This is what I read:

"I think Cheese Wiz and Oscar Meyer Bologna are the epitome of fine cuisine. I don't care what is in it. I don't want to taste it. I just want to eat and be full."

There are people like this in the world. I work with one. She constantly asks at restaurants when we all go out to lunch, "Is this spicy." My response is always, "For me, no. For you, yes."

What do you call an anti-epicure? If there isn't a word for it, we need to invent one.

Btw, anyone who uses "chunderous" in a sentence cannot claim to not be unpretentious.

Cheez Whiz and Bologna have their place. In my belly.

 

[Psylocide]

Now I want some damn spray cheese. Thanks HBT.

 

[LandoLincoln]

She would have a point if the craft beer market was close to eclipsing the macro lager beer market and that micro beer market was preventing her from enjoying the beers that she likes. As it stands right now, that day is a loooooooong way off, and it may never come at all. She's being a macro beer snob while deriding the micro beer snobs for being snobs. She is a hypocrite.

Beer snobbery of any kind is something to be avoided. It's often times difficult to do, but we should try our best and remain vigilant against it.

Just remember: a beer geek cares about what THEY drink. A beer snob cares about what YOU drink.

 

[bobeer]

I saw this too but didn't click on it because I don't support those stupid random ads...
Ever hear of happy hours? Maybe it's just my part of the country but tons of places have $3 or half priced pints from 4-7pm or somewhere around there. Some even on the weekends too. Unless you're drinking at pubs during the day, or on Friday/Saturday night will I pay full price and if I was affected that greatly where I felt the need to rant about beer prices during those times maybe I should choose sobriety.

Articles where people bash something that is subjective are very annoying. Get over it. People like "craft" beer. Not everyone has to like the same stuff... That's why we have choices--because different people dig different things. Funny thing is, idk about AU, but in America the beer world was like this before we had the cheap yellow fizzy stuff. Every neighborhood had its breweries and people drank their local beer and it mostly wasn't BMC style lagers.

Maybe she should learn to homebrew...