screwed up beer laws

[God Emporer BillyBrew]

We have some screwy beer laws in Oklahoma.

*If you want to buy anything stronger than 3.2, you have to buy it in the liquor store.

*The liquor store can only sell things that contain alcohol. Want ice? Sorry!

*Did I mention that liquor store beer has to be sold cold.

*Anything that's sold in gas stations or grocery stores as 3.2 can't be sold in liquor stores as strong beer..

*However, there are no dry counties in Oklahoma, and

*You can buy 3.2 on Sunday but,

* The liquor stores will only sell alcohol from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Monday-Saturday.

I know that other states have some screwed up beer laws. You should tell us about some screwy law you have.

 

[Cheesefood]

We're all sorts of inconsistant in Illinois. I lived in a neighborhood that you couldn't buy beer after 9:00pm on weekdays and 10:00pm on weekends. In some areas, you can only buy beer or wine in the grocery stores. We have some dry counties.

In my town, there are stores that sell until 4:00am and a few bars still open that serve till 4:00am. Some of the gambling boats start selling at 6:00am.

 

[El Pistolero]

At least now you can get a drink in a restaurant...wasn't too long ago when you couldn't. Also, you have nudie bars that are really nudie...tho it sucks that you can only drink 3.2 beer in them. Also you can now find an occasional decent beer there...and the labeling requirements for liquor stores aren't nearly as strict as they are in Texas for instance (you now have a much better selection of imports then we do down here). You should count your blessings...during the sixties if you wanted to cop a buzz your choices were basically coors or ripple.

 

[SwAMi75]

We have some screwy beer laws in Oklahoma.

*If you want to buy anything stronger than 3.2, you have to buy it in the liquor store.

*The liquor store can only sell things that contain alcohol. Want ice? Sorry!

*Did I mention that liquor store beer has to be sold cold.

*Anything that's sold in gas stations or grocery stores as 3.2 can't be sold in liquor stores as strong beer..

*However, there are no dry counties in Oklahoma, and

*You can buy 3.2 on Sunday but,

* The liquor stores will only sell alcohol from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Monday-Saturday.

I know that other states have some screwed up beer laws. You should tell us about some screwy law you have.

Liquor store beer has to be sold cold? Seems like when I lived there (born and raised, left there 12 years ago), it couldn't be sold cold.

I'm moving to OKC next year. I fear that I'm moving to beer purgatory. Good thing I know how to brew!

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm moving to OKC next year. I fear that I'm moving to beer purgatory. Good thing I know how to brew!

With all due respect to the place I grew up in, you're just moving to purgatory, period.

 

[homebrewer_99]

I would think the laws in OK have a lot to do with curbing alcoholism among the Native Americans.

 

[God Emporer BillyBrew]

Liquor store beer has to be sold cold? Seems like when I lived there (born and raised, left there 12 years ago), it couldn't be sold cold.

I'm moving to OKC next year. I fear that I'm moving to beer purgatory. Good thing I know how to brew!

Dude, my bad. I had had a few home brew's last night. It has to be sold hot. Sorry to spread bad info!

Pistolero, you're right our beer laws have come a long way and I've noticed that we do have a better selection of imports in our better liquor stores than you guys do.

Oh yeah, I guess it was time for OU to get a whipping, huh? I'm not a big fan either way, but I did enjoy us beating on Texas for the last five years. It's kind of nice to see the pendulum swing a little, though.

 

[God Emporer BillyBrew]

Nah, I think it's just a bible belt morality type issue. Carrie Nation lives!

 

[SwAMi75]

Dude, my bad. I had had a few home brew's last night. It has to be sold hot. Sorry to spread bad info!

Ahh, thanks. Not that I have a problem with beer being sold cold, but to me, that would mean less storage space, which in turn would mean less selection!

El P: Besides a more limited beer selection, I'm looking forward to a little slower-paced area to live. This place is way to friggin' crowded, considering how (relatively) small it is. Plus, it's home, so it's a purgatory I'm familiar with.

 

[El Pistolero]

It's kind of nice to see the pendulum swing a little, though.

No it's not.

 

[El Pistolero]

El P: Besides a more limited beer selection, I'm looking forward to a little slower-paced area to live. This place is way to friggin' crowded, considering how (relatively) small it is. Plus, it's home, so it's a purgatory I'm familiar with.

Just a suggestion...if you want slow paced look east of Tinker towards Shawnee. Stay away from the area from Moore up to Edmond...it's about as crowded in those areas as Dallas is now.

 

[Baron von BeeGee]

We have plenty of blue laws in NC which vary from county to county, with the extreme eastern and western counties being the "worst". Some counties are dry (resulting in Brew Thru's at county lines), some are dry on Sunday, some don't allow liquor by the drink, etc. However, our greatest statewide victory came just about a month ago when our 6% abv cap was lifted to 15%. Some establishments were serving high abv beers the night the governor signed the bill into law!

 

[God Emporer BillyBrew]

Just a suggestion...if you want slow paced look east of Tinker towards Shawnee. Stay away from the area from Moore up to Edmond...it's about as crowded in those areas as Dallas is now.

I-35 is a bear, so are parts of I-40, but I don't think it's as bad as the Dallas, Arlington, Ft. Worth area. Of course, I don't really know my way around there, which makes it worse, but I still think it's worse than our traffic.


If you're not on one of the two mentioned above, traffic's not that bad.

 

[God Emporer BillyBrew]

No it's not.

A true fan, huh? My best friend is a transplanted Okie living in Arlington. He's going to have a crappy week.

 

[McCall St. Brewer]

In Wisconsin we have some of the least restrictive beer and liquor laws around, but that does not mean we are immune to some dumb ones. Not too many years ago they decided that no take-out liquor could be sold after 9 P.M. (you can still drink it in a bar or restaurant after 9. You just can't buy it and take it with you). Now, how that helps anyone is beyond me.

Where I live (Milwaukee) some of the suburbs allow supermarkets to have liquor departments right in the store, while other neighboring suburbs make them have a separate liquor store with it's own entrance (apparently a person is much less likely to become an alcoholic if they have to put their groceries in their car and then go back into the store to buy their liquor).

 

[El Pistolero]

A true fan, huh? My best friend is a transplanted Okie living in Arlington. He's going to have a crappy week.

Yeah, I'm a true fan, but I don't get suicidal (any more) over a football game...takes too much energy that can be better spent on brewing.

 

[kenmc]

Lads, personally I think that the most screwed up law ye have over there is the 21 age limit on alcohol. It's bad enuff here in Ireland at 18, but it's just draconian at 21. In parts of europe it's 16 for beer and wine, 18 for spirits. That's a much better idea in my opinion.

 

[Walker]

Agreed. The 21-years-old law actually CREATES alcholics in this country. We have this forbidden liquid that we can't consume.... We wait and wait and wait and wait for our 21st birthday. When it finally arrives....?

We binge drink and get totally hammered.

We then repeat this rediculous behavior over and over and over. Soon, we are binge drinking and dependent on the stuff.

The ultimate irony? You can be forced to go fight an unjustified war and watch your close friends be killed on a daily basis. Then, after doing your 'duty' you come home at the age of 20 with more horrors in your mind than anyone deserves.

AND YOU STILL CAN"T GO AND HAVE A BEER!

I got arrested for underaged consumption when I was 19 years old (about 2 weeks from my 20th birthday). My father was abolsutely IRATE, but not with me. He was furious with the laws.

-walker

 

[sudsmonkey]

We binge drink and get totally hammered.

We then repeat this rediculous behavior over and over and over. Soon, we are binge drinking and dependent on the stuff.

Then we learn to make it ourselves. :cross:
My Dad freaked when I turned 18 and had to register for the Selective Service. The drinking age in NC had just been raised to 21. He told me , " You'll drink in my house!", and we did. Thanks, Dad.
Worked a job in E. Tenn. where stores near churches and schools couldn't sell beer. In Kentucky, I found that you can't buy beer at all on Sunday. Luckily, it was a ten minute drive to Ohio, where you can get all the beer you want.
Here in NC, Johnston County is dry, or was. I stopped into a store there that belonged to one of the state's biggest bootleggers. Couldn't find the beer section. I asked the clerk about it . In a tone that I took to mean she didn't approve of drinkers or drinking, she informed me that it was a dry county. Didn't know they still had those. Seems very narrow-minded.

 

[Walker]

In Kentucky, I found that you can't buy beer at all on Sunday. Luckily, it was a ten minute drive to Ohio, where you can get all the beer you want.

Off topic, but....

Funny you should mention this. I went to college in Cincinnati, and we always bought our alcohol and tobacco in KY because it was so much cheaper.

One day I was loading up for one of the later-to-be-legendary parties that were hald on a regular basis in the house I shared with 4 to 8 other guys (depending on the season). I had 4 kegs in the back of my Blazer and was coming back across the bridge into Cincy from Newport, KY. I got pulled over for speeding.

Now, all of my roommates were too damn lazy to accompany me on this particular trip, so I was all by my lonesome.

Well... this is when I learned about bootlegging laws and what was considered 'personal use' amounts of alcoholic beverages. Apparently one person cannot 'personally use' 4 kegs of beer, so I had some trouble that day.

-walker

 

[sudsmonkey]

Off topic??? I thought the heading of this thread was Screwed Up Beer Laws. Thought we were all on - topic here.

 

[Walker]

good point... I forgot what thread I was replying to.

 

[El Pistolero]

good point... I forgot what thread I was replying to.

Finally you have a true drunken rambling, and you post it in the wrong forum. Jeez.

 

[Walker]

If I'm posting, then I am not drunk enough to ramble. My fingers seem to get very thick and clumsy when I drink too much and any post I attempted to make would look sort of like this:

hewuw what ar eal; yof ytu guys oiu g tonige? i got prerey smached on this laatewsat bactha nad iu cab't ser asa9ight.

-walker

 

[sudsmonkey]

That is specifically why the Admins. gave us the S. Faced icon. It saves you from having to go back and edit. If a word doesn't make sense, the reader can then look at the letters around the one that doesn't fit to figure out just what in the hell you actually were trying to say. They're very drunk-friendly here. Drunk posting is a very popular pastime here. In fact, we're thinking about putting together an olympic team for it. El P. and Sudster will be co-captains. I get to be the mascot. Maybe you could drive the bus.

 

[kornkob]

In Wisconsin we have some of the least restrictive beer and liquor laws around, but that does not mean we are immune to some dumb ones. Not too many years ago they decided that no take-out liquor could be sold after 9 P.M. (you can still drink it in a bar or restaurant after 9. You just can't buy it and take it with you). Now, how that helps anyone is beyond me.

Actually in Wisconsin, local municiplaties control the specific time that alcohol can be sold. So, if a few years ago the laws changed in Milwaukee, then you need to looka t yoru local elected officals because it's their fault. The state cuts it off a midnight, but municipalities can elect to make that time earlier.

For instance, Madison stops take out alcohol at 9pm. However, Maple Bluff, a Madison suburb, has no local ordinance, therefore the one liquor store in MB can sell till midnight.

The time of cutting off take out sales can have a direct impact not on people's drinking but on the problems that LEO see related to late night drinking. At least that's the theory. It won't stop a chronic alcoholic but when that party that was just going to be 'a couple of the guys' turns into a 40 person boozefest by at 10pm-- well, they won't be acquiring any beer in Madison so the odds are that the party will wind down quickly.

The state also allows for bars to sell carry out, although again, local municipalities often place specific restrictions on bars to prevent that.

The reasoning behind cutting off the time to carry out to before the time that bars close is also reasonable, although not usually practically enforced. The idea is is that technically at a bar in Wisconsin, the bartender (the person with the license to permit service of opened alcohol over the bar) and by extension any person who serves alcohol in the facility (one license holder can 'supervise' several unlicensed persons who serve) is responsible for the behavior and consumption levels of the patrons. This means that people drinking in bars are less likely to get into trouble because their behavior is being monitored by a 3rd party.

In fact the last time I was licensed and I don't think this has changed, it is finable offense for a bartender or his agents to serve alcohol to anyone who is intoxicated. The concept is to allow for a measure of control outside the 'impaired' individual.

This fine is in additon to penalties against the person that holds the FACILITY license-- there are 2 service licenses required to operate a bar. The first is for the facility and it defines what areas you can serve in and what you can serve (carry out or open container) and the holder of this license (it is tied to the location AND a specific person) is held responsible for the entire facility and all bartenders in the facility). You also are required to have a licensed bartender on premise when any service is going on. The person who holds the facility license can be different than the bartender license but they do not have to be.



Please note I am merely clairifying the laws here not stating my own opinions or saying that I agree with the reasoning.

 

[El Pistolero]

If I'm posting, then I am not drunk enough to ramble.

Then with all due respect, you shouldn't post in the "Drunken & Mindless" Forum. Many beginners could be unduly influenced when they incorrectly take your perfectly lucid and helpful postings to be mindless drivel.

 

[Orfy]

The French have it right, kids can have a glass of wine with ameal if they want. Drink is freely available and is social, when it comes to 18, it's no big deal.

 

[kornkob]

Another Wisconsin state oddity or 2:

If you are over 21 years of age and bring your child into a Wisconsin bar, you can order alcohol and serve it to your child in that bar. It goes without saying that means you can take your under age kids to a bar and 'hang out'.

If you are 21 or older and marry someone under 21 you can go to a bar and order your spouse alcohol. (or not-- the fact is yoru spouse can be present in the bar.


Some bars (and some cities) have policies against these things but strictly speaking, it's legal.

 

[El Pistolero]

If you are 21 or older and marry someone under 21 you can go to a bar and order your spouse alcohol. (or not-- the fact is yoru spouse can be present in the bar.

Also if you are 51 or older, and marry someone under 21, I envy you very much.