Random Beer Thoughts

[WolfsburgVW]

 

[PhilT1]

https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2018/06/beavertown-confirms-40-million-stake-sale-to-heineken/

Only bad thing about this is all the breweries that will pull out of the Beavertown Extravaganza this year, more of a style over substance brewery for me.

 

[Jnorton00]

Only bad thing about this is all the breweries that will pull out of the Beavertown Extravaganza this year, more of a style over substance brewery for me.

Yeah I get why breweries pull out of events after sales but at least have the balls to stick to your commitment that one year and then in the future if you want to be a sanctimonious ****** then go for it.

 

[user 305778]

Yeah I get why breweries pull out of events after sales but at least have the balls to stick to your commitment that one year and then in the future if you want to be a sanctimonious ****** then go for it.

What is sanctimonious about not working with a company that you dislike?

 

[PhilT1]

Yeah I get why breweries pull out of events after sales but at least have the balls to stick to your commitment that one year and then in the future if you want to be a sanctimonious ****** then go for it.

I'd tend to agree with you, but they'll pull out for fear of being labelled hypocrites and 'supporting big beer' for attending. Shame, as Logan has, up until now, had a great reputation in the craft beer world, which shows in the brewery lineup for the extravaganza. Do the Veil get extra moral points for pulling out before the deal was even confirmed?

 

[Jnorton00]

I'd tend to agree with you, but they'll pull out for fear of being labelled hypocrites and 'supporting big beer' for attending. Shame, as Logan has, up until now, had a great reputation in the craft beer world, which shows in the brewery lineup for the extravaganza. Do the Veil get extra moral points for pulling out before the deal was even confirmed?

Nope.

 

[FoudreGuy]

https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2018/06/beavertown-confirms-40-million-stake-sale-to-heineken/

Lagunitas really hasn't changed unlike the InBev acquisitions, but it still sucks.

 

[JCastle1]

Lagunitas really hasn't changed unlike the InBev acquisitions, but it still sucks.

They're expanding like crazy. They're building a new brewery in the UK and rumor has it that a brewery in Asia is next.

 

[PhilT1]

They're expanding like crazy. They're building a new brewery in the UK and rumor has it that a brewery in Asia is next.

Did they mess with the beers at all or did quality stay the same? Strangely we don't see Lagunitas in the UK as much since the takeover.

 

[Padraig]

Yeah I get why breweries pull out of events after sales but at least have the balls to stick to your commitment that one year and then in the future if you want to be a sanctimonious ****** then go for it.

Cloudwater getting a hammering on Twitter for pulling out this morning.



Some retailer pals of mine just announced they are stopping selling Beavertown despite them being a not insignificant part of their revenues. I guess others will do the same too.

 

[PhilT1]

Cloudwater getting getting a hammering on Twitter for pulling out this morning.



Some retailer pals of mine just announced they are stopping selling Beavertown despite them being a not insignificant part of their revenues. I guess others will do the same too.

Brewdog have also pulled out but I suspect most will see that as hypocritical given their recent private equity investment. Plus everyone loves to hate Brewdog anyway.

 

[Padraig]

Am I right in thinking there was another co-founder who seems to have been written out of the company history?

https://www.beavertownbrewery.co.uk/brave-new-world-beaverworld/

 

[JCastle1]

Did they mess with the beers at all or did quality stay the same? Strangely we don't see Lagunitas in the UK as much since the takeover.

I don't know, we don't get their beers so I haven't had them in a long time. My guess is they're pulling the imports until production starts at the new brewery?

 

[FoudreGuy]

I liked Gamma Ray a lot when I was in Spain a couple years ago.

Did they mess with the beers at all or did quality stay the same? Strangely we don't see Lagunitas in the UK as much since the takeover.

I don't think so. I still get Born Yesterday every year and it's just as good. They also opened up a Seattle location that I've been to twice in the past year. Did some awesome fresh hops last Fall and they're really making a point of doing local Seattle beers with ingredients from Skagit and Yakima. I'd much rather go to a local brewery, but at least they're trying.

The whole situation still sucks, but it isn't as bad as the **** with InBev.

 

[PhilT1]

I don't know, we don't get their beers so I haven't had them in a long time. My guess is they're pulling the imports until production starts at the new brewery?

That would make sense.

 

[PhilT1]

I don't think so. I still get Born Yesterday every year and it's just as good. They also opened up a Seattle location that I've been two twice in the past year. Did some awesome fresh hops last Fall and they're really making a point of doing local Seattle beers with ingredients from Skagit and Yakima.

The whole situation still sucks, but it isn't as bad as the **** with InBev.

Seems to be the general consensus that they haven't tinkered with the beers like InBev have. I think people are more concerned by the ****** marketing/selling/bully tactics Heineken have become known for, and have been fined for.

 

[FoudreGuy]

Seems to be the general consensus that they haven't tinkered with the beers like InBev have. I think people are more concerned by the ****** marketing/selling/bully tactics Heineken have become known for, and have been fined for.

I know InBev did that around here with Goose Island IPA kegs, didn't know (but not surprised) that Heineken did it as well.

 

[JCastle1]

I know InBev did that around here with Goose Island IPA kegs, didn't know (but not surprised) that Heineken did it as well.

Goose is pushing their garbage really hard here but their stuff is always old as hell. I had a Honkers that was 2 weeks past the expiration date recently.

 

[FoudreGuy]

Anyone see BA's "Beer Me Anything" ripoff of the Ask Me Anything board here? It's locked behind a premium member paywall and many other stupid rules.

 

[coach1]

It's locked behind a premium member paywall and many other stupid rules.

Thus, I did not see it.

Though I also click out of the NW forum on that site about 1/250 visits, so there's that.

 

[FoudreGuy]

Thus, I did not see it.

Though I also click out of the NW forum on that site about 1/250 visits, so there's that.

You can see it without a premium account, but you can't ask questions/reply.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/forums/beer-me-anything.69/

 

[Saind]

Same thing happened with brouwerij de Molen here in the Netherlands, Just by Bavaria instead of Heineken. Didn't stop Cloudwater from coming over for Borefts though.

I'd call that hypocrisy

 

[FoudreGuy]

I didn't know de Molen had been purchased.

https://www.mylifewithbeer.nl/en/brouwerij-de-molen-partly-owned-by-bavaria/

 

[Saind]

I didn't know de Molen had been purchased.

Same thing, minority stake.

 

[Padraig]

I assume nobody cared about the De Molen sale the same way nobody batted an eyelid at Founders selling a minority stake to Mahou.

Just because they're macros nobody outside Europe has heard of it's ok.

 

[FoudreGuy]

I assume nobody cared about the De Molen sale the same way nobody batted an eyelid at Founders selling a minority stake to Mahou.

Just because they're macros nobody outside Europe has heard of it's ok.

The article I linked to mentioned that t'Ij is under a similar to situation with Duvel Moortgat, which I also didn't know about.

 

[trickytunadicky]

I assume nobody cared about the De Molen sale the same way nobody batted an eyelid at Founders selling a minority stake to Mahou.

Just because they're macros nobody outside Europe has heard of it's ok.

Oh it’s super fun to being up The Short’s and Founder’s minority sale to fanbois and discussions about the Hopcat’s dedication to carry only Craft.

 

[litheum94]

Did they mess with the beers at all or did quality stay the same? Strangely we don't see Lagunitas in the UK as much since the takeover.

I personally think they changed quite a lot. I lived in Santa Rosa up until a couple of years ago, so suffice to say, I drank a lot of Lagunitas (Really miss the days of when the local grocery stores would put six packs on sale for $5.99). All of the core beers taste almost exactly the same to me now. The Czech Pils is the one that changed the most to me. That used to be a great Pils, and now it just tastes like a malt bomb. I didn't like this year's Waldo's either. I have pretty much stopped buying any thing from them.

That said, 12th of Never is a damn good beer.

 

[andrewdrinks]

Am I right in thinking there was another co-founder who seems to have been written out of the company history?

https://www.beavertownbrewery.co.uk/brave-new-world-beaverworld/

Byron Knight.

http://beerinsider.com/deviant-dandy-at-beavertown/

 

[sunnrider]

Byron Knight.

http://beerinsider.com/deviant-dandy-at-beavertown/

"I like creating stuff and I like getting people drunk"

That´s good enough for me, plus, it´s not Heineken.

Or Mahou for what that´s worth. Here in Spain we know who they are, broke my heart to give up on KBS.