Random Beer Thoughts

[JulianB1]

So . . . you add another variable to that list and that's supposed to make the chances of ending up with a good beer better?

Agreed with your overall sentiment, though. People are brewing bad beer of all types.

Point taken there, but the way I see it is that it's actually easier to make a drinkable riff on this style short of making major process errors (specifically letting too much yeast stay in suspension), if nothing else due to the abundance of really nice flavorful hops involved and relatively simple malt bills. When it comes to a "traditional" American IPA there's more ways to **** it up and end up with something really nasty, and the hops involved aren't as effective at covering that up.

 

[hornydevil]

We're seeing a lot of breweries out here doing hazy IPAs but the majority retain a bitter finish, which is awfully nice.

Balance? What's that?

 

[hornydevil]

Point taken there, but the way I see it is that it's actually easier to make a drinkable riff on this style short of making major process errors (specifically letting too much yeast stay in suspension), if nothing else due to the abundance of really nice flavorful hops involved and relatively simple malt bills.

Agreed. Yeast in suspension should only be one aspect of the haze that is so sought after. Hop polyphenols should also factor into it. When it's mostly yeast, things get murky.

When it comes to a "traditional" American IPA there's more ways to **** it up and end up with something really nasty, and the hops involved aren't as effective at covering that up.

Here's my take on this subject. IPAs are easy to make well if you do your homework, but all IPAs shouldn't be the same. You can make great ones in the British, East Coast, and West Coast traditions. NE IPAs aren't the only game in town, even though a great deal of newbs think so. That's a bit disturbing to me. I'll certainly have a hazy IPA when I'm at the pub, but I'm not going to drink them all night like I could with West Coast IPAs.

 

[beerindex]

By the way, as absurd as M-43 is, their latest effort - Boss Tweed - which I've not had but locals are already hyping, looks like this:

No. Just no.

 

[hornydevil]

By the way, as absurd as M-43 is, their latest effort - Boss Tweed - which I've not had but locals are already hyping, looks like this:

No. Just no.

The DIPA that I brewed on Saturday looks like that in the fermenter.

 

[jbeezification1]

 

[JulianB1]

Agreed. Yeast in suspension should only be one aspect of the haze that is so sought after. Hop polyphenols should also factor into it. When it's mostly yeast, things get murky.

Just to clarify my point there, the reason I brought up yeast in suspension/unfinished fermentation isn't just because it's a telltale sign of these beers being murky/chicken soup like rather than just hazy, but more so because it's the most likely vehicle for them actually tasting really nasty. And of course, that ugly appearance is correlated to bad process that results in a gross beer.

 

[WhalezB4Rarez]

By the way, as absurd as M-43 is, their latest effort - Boss Tweed - which I've not had but locals are already hyping, looks like this:

No. Just no.

 

[boogercrack]

Ask them if they know what flocculation means.

What the **** did you just call me?

Say that to my face and get taken out in the Treehouse Parking Lot.

 

[RyanG1]

ISO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tehzachatak]

OHHHHHHHH FUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKK

 

[RyanG1]

ISO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boogercrack is this at your local gas station/pocket guacamole shop?

 

[boogercrack]

With this and Raspberry AF cans...

well.

What a time to be alive.

 

[boogercrack]

boogercrack is this at your local gas station/pocket guacamole shop?

If it distros like their other 6ers, I can be your huckleberry for LOBW and pocket guac mules.

 

[JulianB1]

Doesn't have any fruit, won't look like a smoothie, do not want.

These guys need to set up a meeting with JWB and learn to brew the style properly.

 

[WhalezB4Rarez]

Meanwhile in Croydon, PA

 

[furley]

time for someone to setup the blind tasting of hazy IPA's. not a "we're having a hazy IPA tasting" but a "we're having a tasting" where some are hazy and some are not.

see how people actually judge them without knowing what they're drinking

too much "i can tell these suck based on how they look" and not enough "these suck because they taste bad".

 

[hornydevil]

Meanwhile in Croydon, PA

I like the looks of that beer.

 

[lb304854]

time for someone to setup the blind tasting of hazy IPA's. not a "we're having a hazy IPA tasting" but a "we're having a tasting" where some are hazy and some are not.

see how people actually judge them without knowing what they're drinking

too much "i can tell these suck based on how they look" and not enough "these suck because they taste bad".

But how will I know if my IPA is world class if I can't see how opaque it is?

 

[WhalezB4Rarez]

I like the looks of that beer.

It looks like a normal beer. I don't know why they felt the need to put "Haze" in the title.

Probably to drum up sales that's why.

 

[furley]

But how will I know if my IPA is world class if I can't see how opaque it is?

bro, the only tastings i go to involve beers rated 100 or higher on a 0 - 100 scale.

maybe class it up a little

 

[Ziggy]

What the **** did you just call me?

Say that to my face and get taken out in the Treehouse Parking Lot.

 

[Hookemhops13]

ISO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got you boo

 

[RyanG1]

I got you boo

 

[regularjohn]

 

[user 312341]

The scene these days, summed up here:

Most of these drinkers have really no clue

morons.

Ya.... there's a lot of idiots

people who have little to no experience in one thing

Also, all the Live Oak sounds/looks wonderful. Catalina BIF sender, if you're in here.... hint hint

 

[lazerviking]

You know what I'd prefer over Live Oak Hefe? Just about every German example of the style I've tried. I feel like this has become a very unpopular opinion.

 

[NAD1983]

You know what I'd prefer over Live Oak Hefe? Just about every German example of the style I've tried. I feel like this has become a very unpopular opinion.

Please provide list for research purposes.

 

[hornydevil]

You know what I'd prefer over Live Oak Hefe? Just about every German example of the style I've tried. I feel like this has become a very unpopular opinion.

Yeah . . . I'll just stop down the Hofbrauhaus or grab some Hacker-Pschorr or Paulaner at the store. That doesn't even get into Weihenstephan, Schneider, Ayinger, Erdinger, or Franziskaner.

Probably my favorite:

 

[JCastle1]

Please provide list for research purposes.

My personal ranking is probably: Weihenstephaner, Ayinger, Tilmans, Andechs, Franziskaner.