Random Beer Thoughts

[Jnorton00]

What brewery?

We normally have the opposite in Austin. They send way too much of their dankest freshest **** to begin with... then all that languishes on shelves forever, gets old, nobody buys it... then they pull out of the city/state quietly.

This happened a bunch about 5 years ago with Colorado breweries. Odell was really the only one that stuck.

Firestone Walker was very close to becoming another victim but I think they pulled all the old Double Jack that was on shelves for 1+ years and restrategized.

That's pretty much here. Every brewery that enters the market is like the new chick people wanna bang and then they do and never go back and then it starts to turd up the shelf and get older and older while newer stock comes in and then gets old too. FW **** also seems to come in like 6-8 weeks after most other markets anyways which is annoying AF so most of that **** is semi "old" to begin with and just sits around too. I see a lot less lately too so I'm not sure if stores are wising up and not ordering as much or if FW cut back sending since no one is buying all their old ass **** that's sitting around.

 

[FoudreGuy]

That's pretty much here. Every brewery that enters the market is like the new chick people wanna bang and then they do and never go back and then it starts to turd up the shelf and get older and older while newer stock comes in and then gets old too. FW **** also seems to come in like 6-8 weeks after most other markets anyways which is annoying AF so most of that **** is semi "old" to begin with and just sits around too. I see a lot less lately too so I'm not sure if stores are wising up and not ordering as much or if FW cut back sending since no one is buying all their old ass **** that's sitting around.

I was visiting Omaha when they first got Deschutes a couple years ago and it was interesting seeing everyone super excited about them. Next time I was back a year later no-one cared and it was just languishing on the shelves.

 

[WhalezB4Rarez]

https://www.brewbound.com/news/last...uires-2-5-million-cases-from-mission-beverage

MillerCoors Sells Former North Carolina Facility

Nearly two months after settling a lawsuit with Pabst Brewing Company, MillerCoors has sold its former Eden, North Carolina-based production facility for $2.75 million to a Greensboro-based demolition and site development company D.H. Griffin, according to the Greensboro News & Record.

In 2016, MillerCoors shuttered the 37-year-old facility, which it had acquired in July 2008 for more than $53 million, the outlet reported. The 2016 shutdown of Eden came as MillerCoors was negotiating an extension of a nearly two-decades old contract brewing arrangement with Pabst Brewing Company that was slated to expire in 2020, although Pabst held renewal options through 2030.

Despite the renewal options, MillerCoors argued that it may not have the brewing capacity required to extend the contract as its volumes have declined in recent years. Due to those declines, the Chicago-headquartered company said it had to close the Eden facility.

Pabst sued MillerCoors, claiming the company was attempting to “sabotage” its ability to compete and argued that MillerCoors would have enough capacity to brew the nearly 4.5 million barrels of beer the company produces annually.

During the trial, Pabst CEO Eugene Kashper testified that he attempted to buy the Eden facility for $100 million after MillerCoors announced the closure, but MillerCoors countered with an offer of $750 million, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported. Kashper declined, believing the counteroffer was closer to the price for a new facility.

Pabst and MillerCoors ultimately settled the lawsuit in late November 2018.

 

[Lutter]

https://www.brewbound.com/news/last...uires-2-5-million-cases-from-mission-beverage

MillerCoors Sells Former North Carolina Facility

Nearly two months after settling a lawsuit with Pabst Brewing Company, MillerCoors has sold its former Eden, North Carolina-based production facility for $2.75 million to a Greensboro-based demolition and site development company D.H. Griffin, according to the Greensboro News & Record.

MillerCoors would rather knock down a brewery and forgo $100M dollars than help out Pabst in any way now that they're stepping on their toes.

Good luck to Pabst on finding 5 million barrels of capacity in the next 12 months guyz.

 

[jivex5k1]

Drinking a bottle of Meriwether from Perennial & The Commons, July 2016 bottle, that still has a ton of carb. It is a bit reminiscent of classic Belgian saisons.

It is kinda ****** that The Commons went out of business & they were putting out some good saisons, biere de gardes & wild ales w/ lower acidity. Meanwhile, the majority of craft breweries are of course pumping out a couple new DIPAs every week with goofy names & charging you $20+ a 4 pack for them.

Sad day.

 

[NClambicguy]

https://www.brewbound.com/news/last...uires-2-5-million-cases-from-mission-beverage

MillerCoors Sells Former North Carolina Facility

Nearly two months after settling a lawsuit with Pabst Brewing Company, MillerCoors has sold its former Eden, North Carolina-based production facility for $2.75 million to a Greensboro-based demolition and site development company D.H. Griffin, according to the Greensboro News & Record.

In 2016, MillerCoors shuttered the 37-year-old facility, which it had acquired in July 2008 for more than $53 million, the outlet reported. The 2016 shutdown of Eden came as MillerCoors was negotiating an extension of a nearly two-decades old contract brewing arrangement with Pabst Brewing Company that was slated to expire in 2020, although Pabst held renewal options through 2030.

Despite the renewal options, MillerCoors argued that it may not have the brewing capacity required to extend the contract as its volumes have declined in recent years. Due to those declines, the Chicago-headquartered company said it had to close the Eden facility.

Pabst sued MillerCoors, claiming the company was attempting to “sabotage” its ability to compete and argued that MillerCoors would have enough capacity to brew the nearly 4.5 million barrels of beer the company produces annually.

During the trial, Pabst CEO Eugene Kashper testified that he attempted to buy the Eden facility for $100 million after MillerCoors announced the closure, but MillerCoors countered with an offer of $750 million, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported. Kashper declined, believing the counteroffer was closer to the price for a new facility.

Pabst and MillerCoors ultimately settled the lawsuit in late November 2018.

I briefly dated a girl in college from this town and a huge portion of the good paying jobs were at that facility. The rest of the town was quite a **** hole as you would imagine in BFE North Carolina.

 

[NClambicguy]

A local FB group is currently in a heavy debate about whether or not the new Burial facility in NC is being elitist by not accepting cash. People are arguing back and forth about whether or not card transactions are faster (they are) and if the poor are being discriminated against by not being able to use their cash to buy premium craft beer.

******* beer in 2019 is just so amazingly stupid.

 

[BadJustin]

MillerCoors would rather knock down a brewery and forgo $100M dollars than help out Pabst in any way now that they're stepping on their toes.

Good luck to Pabst on finding 5 million barrels of capacity in the next 12 months guyz.

I swear to ******* god, if anything happens to my Old Milwaukee I will lose it.

 

[bramsdell]

A local FB group is currently in a heavy debate about whether or not the new Burial facility in NC is being elitist by not accepting cash. People are arguing back and forth about whether or not card transactions are faster (they are) and if the poor are being discriminated against by not being able to use their cash to buy premium craft beer.

******* beer in 2019 is just so amazingly stupid.

The same debate has been going on DC for some time now regarding Sweetgreen. They went no-cash (card or app-only) about a year ago. Yes, theoretically, it does discriminate against the economically disadvantaged because it requires money just to get in the door (data plan/bank account/etc.). However, in practice, just like with premium craft beer, this is an issue only in theory, since those who cannot afford the necessities that cause this discrimination would not be buying such luxury items ($10-14 salads, $12+ four packs). It's even more absurd for beer since beer is certainly a luxury product and does not provide either the necessity (food) or health benefits (vegetables) that Sweetgreen does.

 

[nathanmiller]

A local FB group is currently in a heavy debate about whether or not the new Burial facility in NC is being elitist by not accepting cash. People are arguing back and forth about whether or not card transactions are faster (they are) and if the poor are being discriminated against by not being able to use their cash to buy premium craft beer.

******* beer in 2019 is just so amazingly stupid.

This is actually an ongoing discussion in NYC now, as more and more restaurants are pivoting to cashless. There's a very good argument to be made that going cashless is discriminatory, as free and easy banking services are (still) not omnipresent for the lower or lower-middle class in the US.

I'm sympathetic to both to this idea and also "well probably those people aren't eating a $1000 meal anyway." But of course, it's not just the $1000 meals that are moving in this direction.

Ultimately though, I do think the answer is simple: until advanced banking is free and available for everyone regardless of circumstances, cash should be, as is written on the dollar, "legal tender for all debts, public and private."

 

[Lutter]

I swear to ******* god, if anything happens to my Old Milwaukee I will lose it.

If they don't do something we're going to be watching them slowly go out of business over the next 12 months. MillerCoors ain't gonna let them extend their contract and is actively knocking down facilities they could use. Their competition are literally the only people who can brew their product now due to scale... but they're also their competition now and want them to **** off.

It's hilarious. They really do suck at business.

 

[FoudreGuy]

This is actually an ongoing discussion in NYC now, as more and more restaurants are pivoting to cashless. There's a very good argument to be made that going cashless is discriminatory, as free and easy banking services are (still) not omnipresent for the lower or lower-middle class in the US.

I'm sympathetic to both to this idea and also "well probably those people aren't eating a $1000 meal anyway." But of course, it's not just the $1000 meals that are moving in this direction.

Ultimately though, I do think the answer is simple: until advanced banking is free and available for everyone regardless of circumstances, cash should be, as is written on the dollar, "legal tender for all debts, public and private."

I actually like using cash because it limits how much I can spend somewhere, but I use my card if that's the only option.

On a tangent, I've heard the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara only accepts mobile/QR code tickets, potentially discriminating against people without smartphones.

 

[NClambicguy]

This is actually an ongoing discussion in NYC now, as more and more restaurants are pivoting to cashless. There's a very good argument to be made that going cashless is discriminatory, as free and easy banking services are (still) not omnipresent for the lower or lower-middle class in the US.

I'm sympathetic to both to this idea and also "well probably those people aren't eating a $1000 meal anyway." But of course, it's not just the $1000 meals that are moving in this direction.

Ultimately though, I do think the answer is simple: until advanced banking is free and available for everyone regardless of circumstances, cash should be, as is written on the dollar, "legal tender for all debts, public and private."

Do you mind filling me in on what prevents someone from getting a free account at a credit union or even a big bank? How are people cashing their paychecks if they don't have a bank account? My small ass town in NC has at least 3 credit unions that I can think of off the top of my head with a stipulation that $25 be left in your account at any one time. Not sure how prevalent that is elsewhere though.

Edit: This is a sincere question so if it came off as snippy it was 100% unintentional. I'm asking for more information about what the debate in NYC is discussing as ways to increase access to banking accounts.

 

[NClambicguy]

I actually like using cash because it limits how much I can spend somewhere, but I use my card if that's the only option.

On a tangent, I've heard the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara only accepts mobile/QR code tickets, potentially discriminating against people without smartphones.

The concert my wife went to last night had the same requirement. Now that is some ********. How hard would it be to allow people to print off tickets if that was their only option?

 

[symphonic volenska]

I much prefer card only than cash only.

 

[WhalezB4Rarez]

I actually like using cash because it limits how much I can spend somewhere, but I use my card if that's the only option.

On a tangent, I've heard the 49ers stadium in Santa Clara only accepts mobile/QR code tickets, potentially discriminating against people without smartphones.

The whole NFL went that way this season although I do believe if you are a season ticket holder you could get printed tickets. Not sure what to do if you bought a single game ticket from Ticketmaster if you could get a print-out. But that would likely be a piece of paper and not a ticket.

 

[FoudreGuy]

The whole NFL went that way this season although I do believe if you are a season ticket holder you could get printed tickets. Not sure what to do if you bought a single game ticket from Ticketmaster if you could get a print-out. But that would likely be a piece of paper and not a ticket.

I found this:

The 49ers stopped issuing printed tickets in 2015, their second season at Santa Clara’s Levi’s Stadium, with the goal of moving more fans to mobile ticketing. But fans could still print a PDF version of the tickets on paper.

Now the team is eliminating the PDF option. Season ticket holders will receive one wearable credential per seat that’s good for the entire season, while fans who buy seats through the secondary market sellers must use a mobile app that displays an electronic ticket bar code. But Brandt said fans who don’t have a mobile device available can go to the stadium’s ticket office for a ticket.


The Niners are not alone: The NFL plans to switch to the paperless ticket system league-wide for the 2019 season. The 49ers, Falcons, Denver Broncosand Dallas Cowboys are transitioning early.

Hockey’s San Jose Sharks stopped accepting home-printed PDF tickets in 2016, with season ticket holders using mobile devices or a wallet-size identification card. And starting this year, baseball’s Oakland Athletics stopped issuing printed tickets to first-time season ticket buyers, with plans to eventually go all digital.

 

[Jnorton00]

Do you mind filling me in on what prevents someone from getting a free account at a credit union or even a big bank? How are people cashing their paychecks if they don't have a bank account? My small ass town in NC has at least 3 credit unions that I can think of off the top of my head with a stipulation that $25 be left in your account at any one time. Not sure how prevalent that is elsewhere though.

Edit: This is a sincere question so if it came off as snippy it was 100% unintentional. I'm asking for more information about what the debate in NYC is discussing as ways to increase access to banking accounts.

Check cashing places probably.

 

[danbanana]

Do you mind filling me in on what prevents someone from getting a free account at a credit union or even a big bank? How are people cashing their paychecks if they don't have a bank account?

http://fortune.com/2016/09/08/unbanked-americans-fdic/

It's not exactly right since this is based on households, not individuals, but roughly 25m people in the US don't have bank accounts and almost 60m do bank-related things (like cash checks) outside of the standard banking system.

Here's a simple fact: being poor often means you don't have money at any given moment. If you don't any money at that moment, you can't open a checking account because banks don't let you do that. It means any checks you do get are probably being cashed at a check cashing place that is likely charging you a fee every time. Why pay a fee when you can have a free checking account? Because you can't save enough to open that account because- reminder- you are poor.

I'm too sorry if this is coming off as snarky but the assumption that everyone has some amount of money just sitting in a bank account is just wrong.

It is also ******* ridiculous to play "what about poor people?" when you're talking about $23 four packs of hazy ****. Beer is bougie as **** and it's completely disingenuous to think it is anything but.

 

[BadJustin]

Check cashing places probably.

Grocery stores here will as well.

 

[Lutter]

Do you mind filling me in on what prevents someone from getting a free account at a credit union or even a big bank? How are people cashing their paychecks if they don't have a bank account? My small ass town in NC has at least 3 credit unions that I can think of off the top of my head with a stipulation that $25 be left in your account at any one time. Not sure how prevalent that is elsewhere though.

Bro... you never cash your check at the supermarket?

I did this before I was 18 because I didn't want my mom monitoring my purchases, lol.

We actually pay people by default with a Mastercard debit card that they can debit cash out of at any ATM (covers 1 ATM fee per pay period). Direct Deposit is your other option (no paper checks)

 

[Jnorton00]

Grocery stores here will as well.

I think I use to cash some checks at the grocery store when I was a teenager and even more irresponsible with my money than I am now.

 

[sherm10161]

You used to be able to cash a check at the issuing bank for free and without an account. Not sure if that's still true, but I used to do it when I was in college (out of state and far away from my bank).

 

[FoudreGuy]

You used to be able to cash a check at the issuing bank for free and without an account. Not sure if that's still true, but I used to do it when I was in college (out of state and far away from my bank).

Wells Fargo still does this. I was at a local branch getting some foreign currency for a trip and there were a couple construction workers in front of me cashing their paychecks.

 

[sherm10161]

Wells Fargo still does this. I was at a local branch getting some foreign currency for a trip and there were a couple construction workers in front of me cashing their paychecks.

I suspect there are legal requirements that a bank cash its own check without question.

It also made me wonder why someone would use a check-cashing place with a fee, but I understand that not all checks come from a local bank.

 

[boogercrack]

http://fortune.com/2016/09/08/unbanked-americans-fdic/

It's not exactly right since this is based on households, not individuals, but roughly 25m people in the US don't have bank accounts and almost 60m do bank-related things (like cash checks) outside of the standard banking system.

Here's a simple fact: being poor often means you don't have money at any given moment. If you don't any money at that moment, you can't open a checking account because banks don't let you do that. It means any checks you do get are probably being cashed at a check cashing place that is likely charging you a fee every time. Why pay a fee when you can have a free checking account? Because you can't save enough to open that account because- reminder- you are poor.

I'm too sorry if this is coming off as snarky but the assumption that everyone has some amount of money just sitting in a bank account is just wrong.

It is also ******* ridiculous to play "what about poor people?" when you're talking about $23 four packs of hazy ****. Beer is bougie as **** and it's completely disingenuous to think it is anything but.

I always wonder about debit card holds on gas pump transactions too. Say I'm fortunate enough to have a checking account with a debit card, but my credit sucks and I don't have a credit card and I live week to week on minimum wage or close to it. Now, I need to put ten bucks in gas into my car to get to my job to keep getting said paychecks... that $125 hold on a debit transaction could be crippling. That's nearly half a week's pay at minimum wage. Even if that hold lasts for a couple business days, that requires the funds to be available at the time. If I bought groceries earlier in the day, and then don't have $125 in my checking account to cover the hold, and can't get $10 in gas without either a.)having to find an ATM and pay the $3 fee in the event I can't get to my bank (ouch) or b.)having cash from some other method. If that hold lasts over the weekend and now that 2 business days stretches into fri/sat/sun/mon and I can't use my debit card or hit the atm to buy more food because of some imaginary hold on my available money. Much less if the hold pushes me into overdraft and I have to pay a $50 over drafting fee on a transaction that I did not overdraft my ledger on. Which in turn is a full day's pay as a fee for a made up charge.

The system is ****** for people trying to scrape by. Technological advances are smothering people without access.

 

[boogercrack]

It also made me wonder why someone would use a check-cashing place with a fee, but I understand that not all checks come from a local bank.

or if the closest bank that issued the check is miles away and you don't have a car or a good bus route to get there, and there's a 5% cashing fee place next door in your neighborhood.....

 

[danbanana]

or if the closest bank that issued the check is miles away and you don't have a car or a good bus route to get there, and there's a 5% cashing fee place next door in your neighborhood.....

If you ever ask "why did a person with not a lot of money do this thing that doesn't make sense to me?" the answer is almost always going to be "because you're assuming they have access to the same things that you do."

The system is ****** for people trying to scrape by.

 

[sherm10161]

or if the closest bank that issued the check is miles away and you don't have a car or a good bus route to get there

That's part of what I was implying when I said "local bank." Apologies for my brevity.

 

[litheum94]

What thread am I in right now?