Random Beer Thoughts

[SkunkDrool1]

Modern Times 4 packs are incredibly expensive, at least their hazy IPAs.

11.99 here.....

 

[agrippin]

Modern Times 4 packs are incredibly expensive, at least their hazy IPAs.

But Pizza Port 16oz 6pks rule. There's a brewery in CO called Eddyline that does the same thing and their beer is crushable.

 

[FoudreGuy]

Modern Times 4 packs are incredibly expensive, at least their hazy IPAs.

The stuff that hits bottle shops and Accumulated Knowledge at Trader Joe’s are cheap. The stuff that’s only at the taprooms IS expensive as ****.

$11.99 4-packs of Accumulated Knowledge at TJs is one of the best deals.

 

[litheum94]

The stuff that hits bottle shops and Accumulated Knowledge at Trader Joe’s are cheap. The stuff that’s only at the taprooms IS expensive as ****.

$11.99 4-packs of Accumulated Knowledge at TJs is one of the best deals.

Yeah, those are regularly $18-$22 a 4 pack.

 

[sacrelicio]

I have a feeling a lot of the regional breweries are going to regret releasing brut IPAs if the smaller guys can't even sell through their limited packaging...

Who is driving the brut IPA trend? I don't even think they're that popular.

 

[stupac2]

Who is driving the brut IPA trend? I don't even think they're that popular.

The thing that I love about it is that it was started by perhaps the worst brewery in San Francisco. At least based on something I've heard a couple times now, perhaps Social Kitchen didn't actually start it.

Also, re: kegerators, maybe I just have a ******** palate but I find that my kegs of Boneyard RPM can easily last a month or two without going downhill at all. I also have no problem having that be the only beer I drink, and at <$2/pint I'm preeeeeetty happy with the pricing.

 

[furley]

Who is driving the brut IPA trend? I don't even think they're that popular.

is it really a "trend"? i've seen 1.

 

[sacrelicio]

is it really a "trend"? i've seen 1.

Last time I was at Surly, they had 2 or 3 on tap. Fair State recently released 2 in cans. Indeed has one that thet recently released in cans. I've seen a couple others at the store. Maybe it's just popular here?

 

[FoudreGuy]

Bruts are pretty common out here in The PNW.

 

[furley]

Last time I was at Surly, they had 2 or 3 on tap. Fair State recently released 2 in cans. Indeed has one that thet recently released in cans. I've seen a couple others at the store. Maybe it's just popular here?

baw god i can't imagine Todd brewing a Brut anything

 

[sacrelicio]

baw god i can't imagine Todd brewing a Brut anything

He ain't there no more. Skipped town. He's at Three Floyds now.

 

[furley]

He ain't there no more. Skipped town. He's at Three Floyds now.

that's what i'm saying. can't imagine Surly making Brut anything with him in the captain's chair.

 

[drgarage1]

that's what i'm saying. can't imagine Surly making Brut anything with him in the captain's chair.

But he left a long time ago

 

[furley]

But he left a long time ago

i'm aware

WE'RE FRIENDS

whether he wants to acknowledge it or not


Todd> hey


eta: we met once and it was spectacular. i'm sure he has not forgotten.

 

[tikk]

i'm aware

WE'RE FRIENDS

whether he wants to acknowledge it or not


Todd> hey


eta: we met once and it was spectacular. i'm sure he has not forgotten.

I've had some BJ's that were completely forgettable from ladies that said they were the best at it. So maybe it is wasn't spectacular

 

[furley]

I've had some BJ's that were completely forgettable from ladies that said they were the best at it. So maybe it is wasn't spectacular

i remember bj's

 

[brentsdodgers]

I didn't think any of Jeppe's ******** could ever induce anything more than an eyeroll from me at this point, but holy hell did I find this article featuring him complaining about beer geeks wanting to constantly tick new stuff and the negative pressures this puts on breweries infuriating. I could not think of a brewer I'm less interested in hearing wistfully reflect on a time before ticker culture than the guy whose brewery has fed into it as much as anyone's and whose business model seems to have been premised on it from the very beginning.

The biggest thing I belive that is true about this coincidentally with council closing is the consumers need for something new within the same style and a brewery being known for only that style. Remembering when Council first came on to the scene, they were the hot new fruited sour place. As they worked through all the typical fruits of course culminating with the apricot release it just seemed to tail off. Everyone had ticked their portfolio and they were done at least within the trading culture.. Even about 3 yrs ago we had a beatitiude night at our restaurant and it felt great to be able to bring their beer north and people were excited to be able to try their product and take bottles home. Hazy ipas soon took over and well yeah.. there you go

 

[litheum94]

is it really a "trend"? i've seen 1.

Yes. It is absolutely a trend. All over the place here right now.

 

[sacrelicio]

You guys remember when a sour beer was the craziest ******* thing ever? And then add fruit and your brain expanded beyond all recognition.

 

[stupac2]

The biggest thing I belive that is true about this coincidentally with council closing is the consumers need for something new within the same style and a brewery being known for only that style. Remembering when Council first came on to the scene, they were the hot new fruited sour place. As they worked through all the typical fruits of course culminating with the apricot release it just seemed to tail off. Everyone had ticked their portfolio and they were done at least within the trading culture.. Even about 3 yrs ago we had a beatitiude night at our restaurant and it felt great to be able to bring their beer north and people were excited to be able to try their product and take bottles home. Hazy ipas soon took over and well yeah.. there you go

I mean, it's not that simple. Council clearly made some business mistakes to go along with the change in trends (and as someone who primarily drinks SARA I'm not really sure I'd say "fruited sours/saisons" is really a waning trend, but we'll leave that aside). I'm sure that if they had contented themselves with slow, organic growth they'd still be around.

But this is expected. The market is mature. The fact that every schmo that's been homebrewing for two years can't count on being able to start/run a successful brewery is a good thing, it means that we're getting to the point where quality matters, both in the final product and in business acumen. There's still a lot of chaff out there, too.

 

[brentsdodgers]

I mean, it's not that simple. Council clearly made some business mistakes to go along with the change in trends (and as someone who primarily drinks SARA I'm not really sure I'd say "fruited sours/saisons" is really a waning trend, but we'll leave that aside). I'm sure that if they had contented themselves with slow, organic growth they'd still be around.

But this is expected. The market is mature. The fact that every schmo that's been homebrewing for two years can't count on being able to start/run a successful brewery is a good thing, it means that we're getting to the point where quality matters, both in the final product and in business acumen. There's still a lot of chaff out there, too.

Cant say much to how they expanded and decisions along the way as i never did visit the brewery. Even when we started carrying them, that was only due to us making the drive to SD for beer pickups so i never knew if over the top expansions were in thw works. Was more referring to their hype in trading culture tailing off more so than fruited sours as a whole. As you said the markets maturing and i think we will begin to see it in breweries built on and known for their haze that start to fall once people have ticked through everthing they to offer and some over reaching expansion plans are put into motion.

 

[stupac2]

Cant say much to how they expanded and decisions along the way as i never did visit the brewery. Even when we started carrying them, that was only due to us making the drive to SD for beer pickups so i never knew if over the top expansions were in thw works. Was more referring to their hype in trading culture tailing off more so than fruited sours as a whole. As you said the markets maturing and i think we will begin to see it in breweries built on and known for their haze that start to fall once people have ticked through everthing they to offer and some over reaching expansion plans are put into motion.

From our perspective it's really easy to say "no one talks about them any more", but the trading scene is a tiny, tiny percentage of overall sales. Like, does anyone ever trade Temescal? They just opened a second location!

But yes, anyone that opens a place specifically chasing a trend is probably going to have a bad time. We'll see.

 

[Lutter]

You guys remember when a sour beer was the craziest ******* thing ever? And then add fruit and your brain expanded beyond all recognition.

When I bring American sour beer to our monthly beer share this is all I get now is:

People just want pastry stouts and IPAs as hazy and turbid as possible these days.

grumble grumble grumble

I still like american sours (although 99% of the time that's Jester King) but can't believe there was a time when I liked Cascade. The **** was I doing to my stomach?

 

[andrewdrinks]

The quality bar for American sour beer has never been higher - we have Holy Mountain killing it locally but Hill, Jester King and Lost Abbey spring to mind too - and yet for most of the beer crowd, BIG STOUTS and canned hops dominate. When sour beers get people’s attention, they’re heavily fruited (300+g per litre minimum) for that ‘yeah man, you can really TASTE the fruit!’ feeling and bright-colour-palate Instagram pic.

(I’m going to Lost Abbey today and I’m going to get all over their funky business)

 

[BadJustin]

Call me crazy but the Miller High Life in Champagne bottles tastes wildly better than cans. Huh.

 

[Lutter]

Call me crazy but the Miller High Life in Champagne bottles tastes wildly better than cans. Huh.

Are those a special Christmas dealy?

I'd just assume they're fresher.

 

[BadJustin]

The quality bar for American sour beer has never been higher - we have Holy Mountain killing it locally but Hill, Jester King and Lost Abbey spring to mind too - and yet for most of the beer crowd, BIG STOUTS and canned hops dominate. When sour beers get people’s attention, they’re heavily fruited (300+g per litre minimum) for that ‘yeah man, you can really TASTE the fruit!’ feeling and bright-colour-palate Instagram pic.

(I’m going to Lost Abbey today and I’m going to get all over their funky business)

I would argue Hill is a "sour beer" producer. Sure some are more tart than others but I personally get very little tart in the standard offerings unless you let them sit for a couple years. Tommes **** is way more puckering to me.

Also, stop putting fruit in ******* everything. Ya know what that makes me think? Makes me think you're hiding something, but I am cynical.I want to taste the base beer.

Hot Take: Stone Fruit can go **** itself and too often smells like a nail ******* salon.


https://www.talkbeer.com/community/threads/ill-fight-anyone.36978/

 

[BadJustin]

Are those a special Christmas dealy?

I'd just assume they're fresher.

I think so? Dirt cheap. 2.50 a bottle. Bought a case lol. Eventually I will straw chug one and post it here. Totally srs.

 

[andrewdrinks]

I would argue Hill is a "sour beer" producer. Sure some are more tart than others but I personally get very little tart in the standard offerings unless you let them sit for a couple years.

Fair point, the regular beers are not sour in the way JK/LA are - judgment clouded bc I nailed a CD18 solo last night (maybe the best full-on sour beer I’ve had from Hill)

 

[jmgrub]

When I bring American sour beer to our monthly beer share this is all I get now is:

People just want pastry stouts and IPAs as hazy and turbid as possible these days.

grumble grumble grumble

I still like american sours (although 99% of the time that's Jester King) but can't believe there was a time when I liked Cascade. The **** was I doing to my stomach?

There are very few Americans wilds I enjoy these days. Although I'm just not in much of a "sour" phase in general right now. Palate is constantly shifting. At the moment, mostly sweet stuff (barleywines, stouts and meads), lagers and beach beers.