Double IPA Pliny the Elder Clone

[JohnSand]

I didn't.

 

[BlurryEyed]

I've heard bad things about dry hopping for more than 5-7 days. Should the first dry hop be put in a hop bag so it can be removed before the second dry hop?

Interesting - I dry hop in the serving keg and leave it til its tapped...tastes good to me!

 

[brewski09]

I've heard bad things about dry hopping for more than 5-7 days. Should the first dry hop be put in a hop bag so it can be removed before the second dry hop?

You can extract polyphenols from the hops with contact times above 4-5 days. It's not consistent in strength to me but it always happens. I don't care for them (grassy flavors) and strive for more of a clean dryhop like Pliny or heady. Taste the beer daily when you're dryhopping and see what you think.

 

[Btaz]

Well it only took me a little over a year to write up my notes

http://blt.homenet.org/wordpress/?p=1442

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Here is my attempt at a clone per ingredients at Farmhouse Brewing. It's only been on gas for 4 days but it's already a damn good beer!! View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1470240551.512578.jpg
Just wish I could get some of the real deal to compare it to! Plus I've never had Pliny The Elder!!

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Congratulations! My Pliny clone never tastes like the original. Personally, think it's better. Enjoy your efforts and cheers!

And fyi, you need a bigger tv for that wall! 😉

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Congratulations! My Pliny clone never tastes like the original. Personally, think it's better. Enjoy your efforts and cheers!

And fyi, you need a bigger tv for that wall! [emoji6]

Thanks!! Good to know that the clone is better than the original! [emoji2]
I've been looking at getting a bigger tv but 2 things holding me back.
1) it's my basement and we don't spend all of our time watching down there
2) when I finished the basement I didn't want any shelves or electronics visible so I bought a tv with built-in dvd. The biggest I've been able to find is 32" so that what I currently have.
Oh and then there's the wife factor. She says the tv is mostly new and works just fine so no need for a new one. I love my wife! [emoji35]

 

[Wiesty]

Finished brewing this yesterday. I had all my ingredients into BeerSmith the same as the recipe but it was saying I'd be getting 1.075....I ended up with .70 anyways so it all worked out.

HOWEVER, For some reason with the same hop schedule...Beersmith was calling for 230IBU...wtf?!

 

[brick_haus]

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I Have been brewing this recipe for 4 years and it is my house IPA. We go through about 5 gallons in two weeks and always have it on tap so you can domthe math on how many gallons. I do 15 gallon batches. What I have discovered is that water chemistry is the key to success. I use RO water with .75 grams per gallon of gypsum and Ca Cl2 in all brewing water and add 2%acid malt to the grist for a mash pH of 5.3. Other than that, I follow the recipe, including the dry hop schedule.
Very, VERY close to the real thing.

 

[ultravista]

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I follow the recipe, including the dry hop schedule. Very, VERY close to the real thing.

Which recipe? Have you seen the real PTE brewsheet posted here and elsewhere?

 

[brick_haus]

Which recipe? Have you seen the real PTE brewsheet posted here and elsewhere?

I can post my recipe later. It is based on the OP recipe with a few minor tweaks. I now FWH with (much) less Columbus and the perceived bitterness is the same. Too grassy using the full amount (pellets). All grain, HERMS, 149* 60 min. mash, 90min. boil, temp controlled fermentation at 167*.

BOS winner at Ventura County Fair 2015 and a few other awards also.

 

[brick_haus]

Here is the recipe for my current batch brewed 7/10/16 and kegged 7/30/16.
I guess I have strayed a bit from the OP recipe over the years...but this is how I do it now. [emoji106][emoji106]
42# American Pale Malt
2# Carapils
1# CR40
6oz. Acidulated malt
2.25# Dextrose (10 min. boil)
3 whirlfloc (10 min. boil)
5oz. Columbus 90 (FWH)
3oz. Columbus 45
2 oz Simcoe 20
1oz. Centennial 20
1oz. Amarillo 20
5oz. Simcoe WP
2.5oz. Centennial WP
3.85oz. Amarillo WP
2oz. Simcoe DH 10 days
2oz. Centennial DH 10 days
2oz Amarillo DH 10 days
1oz. Galaxy DH 10 days (just because I had it[emoji106])
.75oz. Simcoe DH 5 days
.75oz. Centennial DH 5 days
. 75oz. Amarillo DH 5 days
1oz. Galaxy (see above) DH 5 days.
5L starter with 2 packs WL1056 (fresh)
5min O2 at 3LPM
Mash 151* 60 min.
Ferment 65* in 20g conical in controlled chamber

OG 1.072
FG 1.012
I carbonate at 12psi and 39* until I like it then condition for a week or so to mellow. It tends to be astringent when very young but not at all after conditioning.

This award winning beer usually scores between 35 and 39 points when fresh. Older than that and it starts losing its wonderful aroma but still scores ~30 points.

This beer is also VERY susceptible to Oxidation, so be very diligent when kegging. I pressure transfer directly into the purged kegs. Then purge more, then more...

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

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I Have been brewing this recipe for 4 years and it is my house IPA. We go through about 5 gallons in two weeks and always have it on tap so you can domthe math on how many gallons. I do 15 gallon batches. What I have discovered is that water chemistry is the key to success. I use RO water with .75 grams per gallon of gypsum and Ca Cl2 in all brewing water and add 2%acid malt to the grist for a mash pH of 5.3. Other than that, I follow the recipe, including the dry hop schedule.
Very, VERY close to the real thing.

That is good info! I tend not to use that much chemicals in my RO and yet to try acid malt. My next attempt will included this slight variation. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Calaeb]

Here is the recipe for my current batch brewed 7/10/16 and kegged 7/30/16.
I guess I have strayed a bit from the OP recipe over the years...but this is how I do it now. [emoji106][emoji106]
42# American Pale Malt
2# Carapils
1# CR40
6oz. Acidulated malt
2.25# Dextrose (10 min. boil)
3 whirlfloc (10 min. boil)
5oz. Columbus 90 (FWH)
3oz. Columbus 45
2 oz Simcoe 20
1oz. Centennial 20
1oz. Amarillo 20
5oz. Simcoe WP
2.5oz. Centennial WP
3.85oz. Amarillo WP
2oz. Simcoe DH 10 days
2oz. Centennial DH 10 days
2oz Amarillo DH 10 days
1oz. Galaxy DH 10 days (just because I had it[emoji106])
.75oz. Simcoe DH 5 days
.75oz. Centennial DH 5 days
. 75oz. Amarillo DH 5 days
1oz. Galaxy (see above) DH 5 days.
5L starter with 2 packs WL1056 (fresh)
5min O2 at 3LPM
Mash 151* 60 min.
Ferment 65* in 20g conical in controlled chamber

OG 1.072
FG 1.012
I carbonate at 12psi and 39* until I like it then condition for a week or so to mellow. It tends to be astringent when very young but not at all after conditioning.

This award winning beer usually scores between 35 and 39 points when fresh. Older than that and it starts losing its wonderful aroma but still scores ~30 points.

This beer is also VERY susceptible to Oxidation, so be very diligent when kegging. I pressure transfer directly into the purged kegs. Then purge more, then more...

I may have missed it, but what sized batch?

 

[JohnSand]

15 gallons, post 790.

 

[UKBrewing]

Just finished brewing this but missed the OG, I got 1062 or so, which is disappointing as it seemed everything went rather well during the brew, and actually ended up short of 19L (5 US Gallons) in the fermenter after boiling... My efficiency must be pretty poor.

I have never tasted PTE so even if this doesn't work out a clone, hopefully it should still be a pretty tasty IPA?

I was a little worried about having a keg of beer this strong anyway so maybe its a blessing in disguise...

 

[JohnSand]

I think you'll be fine. I haven't had fresh Pliny, but this recipe makes great beer. And you are not terribly far off gravity.
You remembered the sugar, right?

 

[UKBrewing]

I think you'll be fine. I haven't had fresh Pliny, but this recipe makes great beer. And you are not terribly far off gravity.
You remembered the sugar, right?

Yes sugar was added at the beginning of the boil, the only thing I can think of is my grain mill seems to either crush way too much or way too little, the sweetest spot seems to leave some whole grain's.
Maybe I need to adjust a recipe for a higher amount of grain next time

 

[JohnSand]

Either way, I think you'll enjoy this beer.

 

[UKBrewing]

Hopefully, really looking forward to trying it in a month or so!

 

[brewski09]

You can also try double milling and prehydrating your grain before milling (there are a couple great threads on here about it)

 

[ZmannR2]

Here's the recipe that I used:
2000ml starter with 250ml high viability slurry from a previous batch (washed 1056)
13.5# pale malt
6oz Crystal 35
10 oz. Carapils
MASH AT 149*
12oz. Dextros (15 Min. boil w/ 1 whirlfloc)
3.5 Columbus 90 min.
0.75 Columbus 45 min.
1.0 Simcoe 30 min.
1.o Centennial Flame out
2.5 Simcoe Flame out
1.0 Amarillo Flame out
Whirlpool 20 minutes
Primary 14 days, then,
1oz each DH all four hops 14 days
0.25oz each DH all four hops 7 days
28 days total

OG 1.078 (oops!)
FG 1.008
ABV 9.18% (oops again!)

Absolutely no alchohol burn, even after warming.

I brewed a second batch with a little different water profile, we will see how it works. (1.068 SG this time, 1.078 is too high)

So this is the recipe I brewed yesterday. I'll see how it goes man.....using a hop spider was a MUST after all those hops. the batch size in my fermenter comes out to 5.5 gallons.

 

[ZmannR2]

Here's an absolute accurate recipe from a contract brewer of Russian River. You won't get any closer than this

Can someone downsize this for 5 gal batches?

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Can someone downsize this for 5 gal batches?

I did. #544. Took a bit for the extract calculation. Came out as one of my better beers..been a while tho.

Edit: ok, you convinced me to brew it again..my DIPA keg is empty. Results in a few weeks.

 

[crusader1612]

Can someone downsize this for 5 gal batches?

check out bertusbrewery.com, he's got it there as well.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Can someone downsize this for 5 gal batches?

Did you ever pick and brew a recipe?

 

[stonebrewer]

Did this again, using Scott's recipe based on that brew sheet. It is on day 5 in the fermenter...can't wait to drink this again!!

 

[ZmannR2]

Did you ever pick and brew a recipe?

Ya, if you look at the post right before the one you quoted, I brewed that exact one

 

[ZmannR2]

So mine's been in the fermenter for 11 days now....just dry hopped with 1 oz each of the used hops in the boil (4 total I believe)

stoked for this.....can't come soon enough

 

[smacnamara]

I made this using honey instead of corn syrup. I skipped the second dry hop addition and it came out great. Also dry at around 1.010. I'm gonna do the second hop addition next time.