Double IPA Pliny the Elder Clone

[springtime]

Had my first taste of the PTE clone I bottled 7/4/12. Color a bit darker than the original, taste right on. Super hoppy, just the right bitter, good nose. Unfortunetaly still not carbed yet. I know it's at least 2 weeks away but it was wishful thinking.

I would recommend this PTE clone kit from Ritebrew. It is slightly different than the Vinnies recipe you see everywhere but pretty damn close and at the right price. Amazon has it.

 

[dooman333]

I ordered my ingredients from ritebrew. Didn't realize they were out of Wisconsin! Got my shipment the next day! Me likey.

 

[VSGLS1]

I brewed this yesterday and its's fermenting away nicely. Can't wait to try it!

 

[springtime]

As usual I was concerned about the carbonation. 2 weeks ago it was good but very flat. I always use 2 PET bottles along with the glass bottles as I can truly gauge the carbonation. Sure enough after 4 weeks perfection!!!. What a good IPA. I really have to say it is as good as any IPA that I have purchased. I have tried so many and have found what I really like. This is truly up there with the best. I attached a pic. I'm enjoying this one for sure.

 

[hopzicle]

I just brewed this last night as my first all grain batch. I added the sugar at the start of the boil, I hope that this was ok. I couldn't find anywhere that said this would be bad! Color in the carboy's is the same as the pictures posted so far.

 

[VSGLS1]

Bottled today! Few more weeks to go.

 

[snowboarda42]

Same here! I have about three weeks left

 

[VSGLS1]

Started trying these and I think after week 3 in the bottle will meld nicely. Awesome aroma and taste so far. Very positive feedback from those I have shared with. I will brew this one again for sure!

 

[knox_brew]

I am wanting to use this recipe but am only wanting to do a 2.5 gallon batch due to space. Is this a 5 gallon recipe, and how much water was used to start with? I would like to do a full boil to end up with the 2.5 gallons. Also I'd be doing an extract along with steeping the malts.

Thanks

 

[jkendrick]

I have brewed the extract version Vinnie provide twice.

http://486286.cache1.evolutionhosting.com/attachments/0000/6351/doubleIPA.pdf

I don't see why you couldn't just cut it in half.

 

[TrubHead]

Never tried PTE. Is this recipe close in taste to the original?

 

[snowboarda42]

I am wanting to use this recipe but am only wanting to do a 2.5 gallon batch due to space. Is this a 5 gallon recipe, and how much water was used to start with? I would like to do a full boil to end up with the 2.5 gallons. Also I'd be doing an extract along with steeping the malts.

Thanks

This recipe calls for a 6 gallon wort after the boil, but after all the loss to hop absorbtion mine ended up more like 4.5 gallons.

You could easily just divide the whole thing in half and give it a try, but then again, 5 gallon buckets are easy to come by and brew in

 

[snowboarda42]

Never tried PTE. Is this recipe close in taste to the original?

Yes, VERY close. I would say that the malt character is a tiny bit off, but the hop profile is dead on. The original is a tad bit sweeter IMO. Could be attributed to the fact that we do small batches in buckets stored in closets, while Russian River does huge batches in a better controlled environment.

Still a fantastic IPA when you're done.

 

[TrubHead]

Yes, VERY close. I would say that the malt character is a tiny bit off, but the hop profile is dead on. The original is a tad bit sweeter IMO. Could be attributed to the fact that we do small batches in buckets stored in closets, while Russian River does huge batches in a better controlled environment.

Still a fantastic IPA when you're done.

OK. My next IPA brew. :rockin:

 

[TrubHead]

Yes, VERY close. I would say that the malt character is a tiny bit off, but the hop profile is dead on. The original is a tad bit sweeter IMO. Could be attributed to the fact that we do small batches in buckets stored in closets, while Russian River does huge batches in a better controlled environment.

Still a fantastic IPA when you're done.

Got it brewed but lowered the dextrose amount after reading through the thread. Over shot gravity a bit but hope the ABV is tolerable. :cross:

 

[TrubHead]

Bubbler slowed to over 60 secs so checked gravity. Down from 1.084 to 1.014 so time to dry hop.

Hydro sample is quite tasty.

 

[firefly765]

Is the 90 min boil necessary? I do everything at 60 min. Beersmith gives me about 207 IBU's with just a 60 min boil.....

 

[jfuriosi]

I did the 90 minute boil and nailed the OG in the recipe. So abv is a factor? As far as IBUs, we're aiming for the flavor hops so 60 minutes might be a bit too intense imho? Don't get me wrong, I use a lot of hops in my beers. But, With the hop profile of columbus, i'd rather boil it out at 90 then start it at sixty minutes.

 

[Aschecte]

I did the 90 minute boil and nailed the OG in the recipe. So abv is a factor? As far as IBUs, we're aiming for the flavor hops so 60 minutes might be a bit too intense imho? Don't get me wrong, I use a lot of hops in my beers. But, With the hop profile of columbus, i'd rather boil it out at 90 then start it at sixty minutes.

If flavor is your goal then you really should be looking at the 20-15 minute mark through flame out additions. The 60 minute addition is for bittering only as the alpha acids are isomerized and will add more bitterness and no or minimal flavor. For that matter after 60 minutes on a HomeBrew setup you really don't get much more than 3-5 ibu's extra from that extra 30 minutes there is kinda a limit as to how many ibu's are dissolved in solution. Beersmith podcasts has a interview with John Palmer that discusses this.

 

[snowboarda42]

I would do the 90 personally, it comes out pretty much spot on if you follow the recipe.

 

[Aschecte]

+1 to this ^ I gave a long answer to basically say what snowboarda42 said in a sentence.

 

[fifthcircle]

Anyone using hop shot for bittering? (I asked in another Pliny thread, but no replies there yet)
Just need to know that it'll work the same way as advertised, ie: xmL of hop shot = xIBU's. Makes me worry shooting for that much bittering


I am going to give it a shot very soon with a buddy of mine. Been wanting to brew this for a long time, since I can't get Pliny here.

 

[TrubHead]

Not quite fully carbed but couldn't resist being Friday nite and all. Wow this is one tasty brew. The simcoe flavor really shines through. Thanks for the recipe.

 

[springtime]

I just received the AHB Pliny The Elder clone. See receipe below. I am brewing as I type. There is a shortage of Simcoe and centennial. They were able to help me out and send the Simcoe and Centinnial in Leaf form. The columbus in pellet. This is an extract kit, looks like the Vinnie recipe. I'll keep you all posted. AHB guys are very helpful and knowledgeable.

10oz Crystal 40L Malt, 1/2 LB Pale ale malt, 10oz Cara Pils malt
9lb Extra pale Extract, 1lb Corn Sugar
90 min 3.5 oz columbus
last 45 3/4 columbus
30 min 1oz simcoe
0 min 1oz centennial and 2.5 simcoe
California ale 001
Dry hops 11/4 oz simcoe, 11/4 columbus, 11/4 centennial

 

[fifthcircle]

Well, we brewed on Saturday.
Used three syringes (15mL) hop shot for 90min addition.
Used a 1600mL yeast starter.
Also used FermCapS in boil.

I am happy with the whole process so far. The hop shots were very easy to deal with compared to 3.5 oz of pellets. The fermcaps prevented a boil over AND a big fermentation mess. The yeast starter had fermentation rolling hard in well under 8hrs.

 

[Schumed]

Just did inventory


Looks like I have everything to give this one a whirl

 

[MTate37]

So I think I'm going to finally get around to attempting this clone this weekend. I'm only doing 2.5 gallons as this is currently the amount that I can do a full boil with and cool in a reasonable amount of time. So based on what I've seen in the thread this is what I've come up with. I'm not set up for all-grain so I'm using DME. Am I on the right track? All I did was divide the OP recipe by two and replace the 2-row with DME according to the conversion that I think Yooper gave.

EDIT: Now I'm confused. There are two responses by Yooper to the question 'can this easily be converted to extract?' One says to use 7.2 lbs DME in place of the 2-row and one says 7 lbs of DME.

Should the second dryhop be added to the existing dryhop, or should I rack off of those hops into a new container?

3.2 lbs light DME
4oz Crystal 45 malt
4oz Carapils malt
6oz corn sugar added to boil

1.75oz Columbus hops @ 90 minutes
.375oz Columbus hops @ 45 minutes
.5oz Simcoe hops @ 30 minutes
.5oz Centennial hops @ 0 minutes
1.25oz Simcoe hops @ 0 minutes

.5oz Columbus dryhop
.5oz Simcoe dryhop
.5oz Centennial dryhop

add an additional .125 columbus, .125 simcoe, and .125 oz of cententennial to the dryhop after a week of adding the first dryhop addition

steep grains at 150 for 30 minutes; add 1/3 DME at beginning of boil and rest at flameout
us05 yeast

 

[Vomtaylor]

When do you add the Corn Sugar

 

[MTate37]

I hadn't thought about that yet, but I guess closer to the end or at flameout. I'm not sure if corn sugar can give the same color issues that extract can, so better safe than sorry in my book.

 

[rocket1]

Brewing this one up now. I'm a big fan of the Pliny and had to do a10 gallon. The hop list put a dent in my wallet!