Pint is a legal measure and not subjective.

[Dave R]

Not sure if you see it correctly. That means it was shy by %15

Ok, like I said, I'm not getting it. Math is not my strong point. If you divide 4/10ths of a liter of beer into 1000ths and put 73/1000ths into a glass, you're saying it would be about an ounce and a half?? Geez, I feel stupid! Too many homebrews today I guess.

Either way, yes, you should get what you pay for, but I wouldn't have stiffed the waitress.

 

[Cheesefood]

At which stage of alcoholism are you when you start bitching about being a shot short of a pint?

You had the option to not buy the glass. You had the option to say, this looks small. Can you fix it?

 

[Desert_Sky]

On that day, I started The Banned List and refuse to return to establishments which continue this practice.

If it was my bar, I would of done the same thing....But your name and picture would have been the very first name on there

 

[iggy_fenton]

It might be time to file this discussion under the "dead horse" category...

 

[cweston]

Ok, like I said, I'm not getting it. Math is not my strong point. If you divide 4/10ths of a liter of beer into 1000ths and put 73/1000ths into a glass, it would be about an ounce and a half? Geez, I feel stupid! Too many homebrews today I guess.

1 liter = about 33 ounces

so .1 liter = 3.3 ounces

so .073 liter = about 3/4 of 3.3 ounces

 

[Orfy]

The method may not be right but it's simple if you have paid for a pint you should get a pint.

I'm afraid if I was in there I'd of tipped the waitress but paid $4.50 - 15% for the pint - 15%

 

[Nostrildamus]

The waitress and bartender where the ones responsible for the writing on the chalkboard and then they took to defensive arguing saying there was nothing wrong with serving .038 litres when a pint was ordered and advertised. I hold them directly accountable for their actions and their tip reflects their unwillingness to do anything about the situation. The tip is a reflection of their performance and has nothing to do with the management. There was no manager there as I asked for him/her. We arrived to an empty restaurant fifteen minutes after opening and there was no imposition of time placed on the server nor on the bartender to provide a sufficient explanation. They instead told me that they had done nothing wrong and that a pint could be a subjective term. Not until I pressed the point a second time did they change the chalkboard advertisment.

I would have had no problem whatsoever with the situation had the server stated that it was an oversight and they should change it to glasses rather pints.

 

[Dave R]

NOW I get it! I WAS looking at it wrong. It's 400/1000, not 4/10! So 73 out of 400 WOULD be about 15%. God, This was bugging me! LOL. Sorry guys.

 

[zoebisch01]

Actually it is close to 2.5 oz in all that was short from a regular pint. Imo, it's all about the principle. Kind of the same if you bought a gallon of gas and they shorted you half quart. The numbers are pretty much the same ratios as in the example.

 

[zoebisch01]

NOW I get it! I WAS looking at it wrong. It's 400/1000, not 4/10! So 73 out of 400 WOULD be about 15%. God, This was bugging me! LOL. Sorry guys.

lol man. I hope I didn't come across as an @sshat when I pointed that out. :fro:

 

[rdwj]

The waitress and bartender where the ones responsible for the writing on the chalkboard and then they took to defensive arguing saying there was nothing wrong with serving .038 litres when a pint was ordered and advertised. I hold them directly accountable for their actions and their tip reflects their unwillingness to do anything about the situation. The tip is a reflection of their performance and has nothing to do with the management. There was no manager there as I asked for him/her. We arrived to an empty restaurant fifteen minutes after opening and there was no imposition of time placed on the server nor on the bartender to provide a sufficient explanation. They instead told me that they had done nothing wrong and that a pint could be a subjective term. Not until I pressed the point a second time did they change the chalkboard advertisment.

I would have had no problem whatsoever with the situation had the server stated that it was an oversight and they should change it to glasses rather pints.

Good lord - you must be a joy to live with.

 

[cweston]

The waitress and bartender where the ones responsible for the writing on the chalkboard and then they took to defensive arguing saying there was nothing wrong with serving .038 litres when a pint was ordered and advertised. I hold them directly accountable for their actions and their tip reflects their unwillingness to do anything about the situation. The tip is a reflection of their performance and has nothing to do with the management. There was no manager there as I asked for him/her. We arrived to an empty restaurant fifteen minutes after opening and there was no imposition of time placed on the server nor on the bartender to provide a sufficient explanation. They instead told me that they had done nothing wrong and that a pint could be a subjective term. Not until I pressed the point a second time did they change the chalkboard advertisment.

I would have had no problem whatsoever with the situation had the server stated that it was an oversight and they should change it to glasses rather pints.

OK, fine, you're right.

I genuinely hope for your sake that this is some kind of foible/unusual/pet peeve reaction thing for you over this particular issue, because if you normally handle small slights in life with such beligerance than you must truly be a very unhappy person.

I've typed this here many, many times, but have never more honestly and earnestly meant it: RDWHAHB (please).

 

[zoebisch01]

Lol guys let up, there are easier ways to get threads locked

Fwiw, I mentioned I wouldn't have probably used the same approach when dealing with the staff. I probably would have gone to the owner and told him how I felt. Now if the wait staff gave me the glass with the line and poured it half full....then I'd prolly say something directly to them.

 

[Dave R]

lol man. I hope I didn't come across as an @sshat when I pointed that out. :fro:

No, not at all! I knew something was wrong with what I was thinking, but I couldn't figure out what. LOL!

And thanks, cweston. That made it even clearer.

 

[Fiery Sword]

Last I checked a Quarter Pounder at McD's doesn't end up being a Quarter pound of beed after all the ooze, skin and hair cook off it. Fistfight?!?!?

I bought a bag of chips, then realized the bag wasn't full. I wanted a friggin' BAG OF CHIPS, not 6 ounzes of chips in a half-filled baG!!!!!!! THRROOOOWDOOOWNNN!!!!

I usually travel with my briefcase full of liquid and dry measurement instruments so that I can confirm when I'm getting swindled.

 

[Dave R]

I know what the problem was. The bar had their tap calibrated to dispense exactly one pint of beer, but the glasses are all mismarked.

 

[zoebisch01]

Last I checked a Quarter Pounder at McD's doesn't end up being a Quarter pound of beed after all the ooze, skin and hair cook off it. Fistfight?!?!?

I bought a bag of chips, then realized the bag wasn't full. I wanted a friggin' BAG OF CHIPS, not 6 ounzes of chips in a half-filled baG!!!!!!! THRROOOOWDOOOWNNN!!!!

I usually travel with my briefcase full of liquid and dry measurement instruments so that I can confirm when I'm getting swindled.

Lol, I see your point fiery. But there are standards for a reason. As for the McD's they specifically call out it is a pre-cooked weight. The bag contents are packed by weight. But you're right, anything can be taken to the n-th degree and causing fights over it isn't worth it. On the other hand I think it is our responsibility as a consumer to keep companies honest.

 

[Desert_Sky]

THRROOOOWDOOOWNNN!!!!

I LOL'ed

 

[delboy]

My problem with this scenario is why in the world would anyone order stella artois or as its better know in my parts 'wifebeater' .
Seriously though i can see both sides of the arguement, i think you were 100% correct to call them on the measure size, but leaving the 1 cent tip was a bit demeaning (esp since tipping in america is part of the culture, don't know why they don't just pay them a living wage and make tipping optional, but thats another thread.)

 

[Fiery Sword]

Lol, I see your point fiery. But there are standards for a reason. As for the McD's they specifically call out it is a pre-cooked weight. The bag contents are packed by weight. But you're right, anything can be taken to the n-th degree and causing fights over it isn't worth it. On the other hand I think it is our responsibility as a consumer to keep companies honest.

Absolutely agreed. I forgot to add a smiley in there, too, so I hope it didn't come across as war-mongering. I'm kind of getting a kick out of this thread, in a funny (not confrontation) way. It reminds me of many situations I've gotten into with my brother. He can't help but get fired up about stuff like this, and I just take it all with a grain of salt. I'm believe that sometimes my pint is on the weak side, and sometimes it floweth over. It all works out in the end. It's all in the carma. Oops. I mean karma.

 

[delboy]

I usually travel with my briefcase full of liquid and dry measurement instruments so that I can confirm when I'm getting swindled.

We have people in the U.K. paid to do just that (weight and measurements dept or something) maybe thats why we get a full pint .

 

[zoebisch01]

We have people in the U.K. paid to do just that (weight and measurements dept or something) maybe thats why we get a full pint .

Yeah we've got em too. Department of weights and measures.

Long live the Kitsilano pint!

 

[sirsloop]

LMFAO... you know how they have those cert stickers on all gas pumps in the US? They need to go around and cert all the "pint" glasses and "double deuce" glasses.

"umm, waiter... my pint glass it out of date."



I tried to stay out of this thread.... its just so damn funny. They need to make a Senfield episode about this. George will go on and on about .473 liters and Jerry will hum and haw while throwing his arms up in the air. Kramer will slide in w/ stogie and interrupt saying, "Jerry, a pint is .473 L not .400", then slide out. CLASSIC!!!

 

[zoebisch01]

LMFAO... you know how they have those cert stickers on all gas pumps in the US? They need to go around and cert all the "pint" glasses and "double deuce" glasses.

"umm, waiter... my pint glass it out of date."

Lol that is funny. It would make a good SNL skit.

 

[Cregar]

I just went to my local home brew store and bought 6.6 pounds of LME for my next beer.. once I got home I found out I was close to a pound short...

Oh well... I guess it's ok to get shorted I will just have to make less beer.

 

[Dave R]

LMFAO... you know how they have those cert stickers on all gas pumps in the US? They need to go around and cert all the "pint" glasses and "double deuce" glasses.

"umm, waiter... my pint glass it out of date."



I tried to stay out of this thread.... its just so damn funny. They need to make a Senfield episode about this. George will go on and on about .473 liters and Jerry will hum and haw while throwing his arms up in the air. Kramer will slide in w/ stogie and interrupt saying, "Jerry, a pint is .473 L not .400", then slide out. CLASSIC!!!

And Elaine's in the background with a calculator trying to figure out the difference!

 

[Fiery Sword]

They could get official measurements with Neuman's PO scales!

 

[sirsloop]

I just went to my local home brew store and bought 6.6 pounds of LME for my next beer.. once I got home I found out I was close to a pound short...

Oh well... I guess it's ok to get shorted

Different... they should be using a scale to measure how much LME goes into the bucket. There's no line on the bucket that says 6.6 pounds. I think there is a pretty big difference there too... 1 pound is like 4-5 bucks where as this thread is griping over 2 ounces. Would you go back if your bucket only had 6.54 pounds???

The same could be said about going to the butcher,and watching as they toss the wrapping paper on the scale, then pile on the meat. "WAIT, YOU FORGOT TO TARE THE PAPER WEIGHT! I WANT MY .0001 POUNDS DEDUCTED FROM MY BILL!!!"

 

[Orfy]

Different... they should be using a scale to measure how much LME goes into the bucket. There's no line on the bucket that says 6.6 pounds. I think there is a pretty big difference there too... 1 pound is like 4-5 bucks where as this thread is griping over 2 ounces. Would you go back if your bucket only had 6.54 pounds???

The same could be said about going to the butcher,and watching as they toss the wrapping paper on the scale, then pile on the meat. "WAIT, YOU FORGOT TO TARE THE PAPER WEIGHT! I WANT MY .0001 POUNDS DEDUCTED FROM MY BILL!!!"

I guess it's not the amount, It's the principle that they think it's okay to misrepresent.

 

[sirsloop]

They could get official measurements with Neuman's PO scales!

They would have to drive to the post office to measure the difference, all the while adding in how much gas they used on the trip to the post office