ozone in beer

[jvend]

What happens if I rinse a bottle with ozonated water and then fill it with beer, when the.ozone converts into oxygen is going to oxidize the beer? Or its ok?

 

[jvend]

What happens if I rinse a bottle with ozonated water and then fill it with beer? Or if I ,clean equipments with ozonatex water? when the ozone converts into oxygen is going to oxidize the beer? Or its ok to use?

 

[zachattack]

Wow that's a new one! I think if you use ozonated water the concentration of dissolved ozone is pretty miniscule, so the effect might not be significant. If you added it directly to the beer it might be a problem, but a few drops left in a bottle after rinsing should be fine I'd say...

Are you using ozonated water in place of a no-rinse sanitizer? A quick Google search says wineries do this, so it might be fine.

 

[dfaridoni]

That's a good question. I do know that in soft drink bottling rinsing with ozonated water is no no because of taste. However the length of time between rinsing and filling is miniscule, it's the ozone that causes the off flavor. I'd think for your purposes it probably is fine that way.

 

[ajdelange]

Any ozone left in the bottle will oxidize something so drain thoroughly and allow to dry. Once dry the ozone is gone. Don't know what ozonatex water is but if it contains anything other than dissolved ozone then a residual from that will be left behind and you would want to rinse that out with boiled water.

 

[stamandster]

Is this a joke?

 

[jvend]

No it isnt

 

[stamandster]

Can you provide a site for the "ozone" water? ... only because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone

 

[KevinM]

There's a few systems out there that will use UV light or electricity to create ozonated water. There are a few that will ozonate a bottle of water at a time or a bowl of water (for a vegetable wash). Ozonated water can then be used to sanitize a surface.

For sanitizing the primary, I don't expect it to be an issue. Any ozone decomposes to oxygen, and the ozone concentration if any remains after adding the wort shouldn't be an issue to the yeasts.

It becomes questionable on secondary and maybe bottling, even if priming in the bottle, as to what extent the minor coating of water would be an issue for oxidation. Any remaining ozonated water would be equal to the amount of starsan/idophor solution.

 

[Warthaug]

Ozone is a potential problem - ozone is a strong oxidizer (it is, in essence, juiced-up O2), so too much residue in the bottle could oxidizer your beer, giving you the same wet cardboard taste you get if you splash too much when you bottle/transfer. At room temp, in water, ozone has a half-life of 20 min, meaning it takes ~5 hrs for it to dissipate completely. Of course, the amount transferred may actually be quite low, given that only the residue on the bottle is all that has the ozone, and your ozonator likely produces 1-5ppm ozone. I'd give it a try, with the caveat that you may end up with a bit of a cardboardy taste if you don't clear enough of the water from the bottle and/or let the bottles stand long enough.

Bryan

 

[KevinM]

Thanks, I couldn't find the reaction/half-life time.

It's worth a try in (a few)bottles if you are priming with sugar, as it will use oxygen in the bottle from the bottling process anyways, you can compare and let us know. I doubt I would want to use it in a secondary unless it was completely dry.

I don't think it's an issue for primary or for sanitizing tools and lines. Actually, I'd probably prefer using it to first flush my lines.

If you try, let us know.

 

[scinerd3000]

It works...The bottles must be filled within 24 hours or the ozonation will wear off. It can also cause respiratory issues but it is a good sanitizer...this is mostly used in the wine industry to sanitize casks...Make sure there is enough ozone though....the water should smell slightly like mellons. Email me for more specific info if you need it. Good luck.

 

[scinerd3000]

Oh and as far as oxidation, because presumably you will be bottle conditioning the beers- a little degraded o2 will be fine and used up by the yeast. If you are NOT conditioning then I would use an alternate sanitizer...

 

[carlisle_bob]

Hi

Not only will the ozone supply oxygen, it will directly react with the beer. Ozone works as a cleaner because it attacks organic molecules and breaks them up....Some bad stuff you can taste at the parts per billion level. Weather ozone produces this or that particular stuff - who knows...

Bob

 

[dfaridoni]

it's the ozone that produces the off flavor because it's corrisive, therefore a good sanitizer. But ozone also loses the third oxygen atom pretty quickly and your left with o2 which in the small amout of water in the bottle shouldn't affect the taste. Water will have some oxygen in it anyway. I don't think it would be a problem

 

[Hickman108]

Well that' an interesting theory about ozone. Frankly speaking I have never heard of that. But thanks for opening my eyes of this issue! I will use it in my practice!

 

[BWN]

It is my understanding that once ozone is made it doesn't last long. I don't think it can even be stored, maybe I am wrong.