Other Half Daydream (oat cream IPAs) - all grain clone attempts

[Nick Poggetti]

Curious about your final PH as you said u adjusted post KO to 4.6?

I'll take a measurement tonight.

I'm really not well versed in what the pH means from phase to phase of the brew process, so I've honestly never measured it outside of kettle souring and during the mash. My limited knowledge is that it's just a number and it should be somewhere during the mash or when souring, etc. Couldn't tell you why it should be that way!

 

[TBryerton]

Follow up to my last post - Here's the cold crashed sample and final product. Turned out incredible. Most in your face aroma I've gotten, could be attributed to a few things... Fermenting and Serving in same keg, fresh 2020 hops, I dunno what else but it's fantastic. I know Nelson by itself isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's delicious.


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I find Nelson to be very overpowering. I used 2 oz DH in my last beer along with 6 Citra and 2 Amarillo, and it screamed Nelson. No Nelson prior to DH. It was actually delicious, and I typically don’t like Nelson, but apparently I like it in small %.

 

[beervoid]

I'll take a measurement tonight.

I'm really not well versed in what the pH means from phase to phase of the brew process, so I've honestly never measured it outside of kettle souring and during the mash. My limited knowledge is that it's just a number and it should be somewhere during the mash or when souring, etc. Couldn't tell you why it should be that way!

Ok, do you have a decent ph meter? Make sure you get the beer degassed and at room temp when meassuring. Final PH has a huge effect on flavor of the beer. Higher ph accentuates malt flavor.

 

[Nick Poggetti]

Ok, do you have a decent ph meter? Make sure you get the beer degassed and at room temp when meassuring. Final PH has a huge effect on flavor of the beer. Higher ph accentuates malt flavor.

Its an okay meter as far as I'm aware. Thermoworks 8689.

At 68 degrees, pour through a strainer a few times... 4.39 ph.

 

[TravelingLight]

Its an okay meter as far as I'm aware. Thermoworks 8689.

At 68 degrees, pour through a strainer a few times... 4.39 ph.

I'll be damned. I just realized you're captain_fantastic! I'm VinPeppBBQ (My god I hate my reddit name, long story).

 

[Nick Poggetti]

I'll be damned. I just realized you're captain_fantastic! I'm VinPeppBBQ (My god I hate my reddit name, long story).

You having some Deja Vu?

I'm planning on rebrewing again with Riwaka hops. Making the 2020 New Zealand single hop series.

 

[TravelingLight]

You having some Deja Vu?

I'm planning on rebrewing again with Riwaka hops. Making the 2020 New Zealand single hop series.

You got me all fired up for some 2020 Nelson. I've always enjoyed Nelson, but haven't used any in a while, damn sure haven't bought any in forever.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Follow up to my last post - Here's the cold crashed sample and final product. Turned out incredible. Most in your face aroma I've gotten, could be attributed to a few things... Fermenting and Serving in same keg, fresh 2020 hops, I dunno what else but it's fantastic. I know Nelson by itself isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's delicious.


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This looks great! I love nelson myself and have some 2020 crop but haven't used it yet. With this crop, what are getting most of? I love nelson for the white wine flavor it adds. Are you getting that or is it more verbally or diesel? Just curious what ya are getting from this years crop before I use it.

 

[Nick Poggetti]

This looks great! I love nelson myself and have some 2020 crop but haven't used it yet. With this crop, what are getting most of? I love nelson for the white wine flavor it adds. Are you getting that or is it more verbally or diesel? Just curious what ya are getting from this years crop before I use it.

I'm not really great at adding specific descriptors for flavors and aromas. In fact, I laugh at all the beer releases that have your typical "stone fruit, lychee, passion-ass, etc etc" combo of flavors and stuff.

But you do get a whole heap load of white whine that in fact, for those who may not care for Nelson, it may be too overpowering. This was (mostly) a single hop beer, after all. Lots of Nelson beers I've had, including this one, bring a very [and I mean VERY] subtle flavor I wouldn't describe as good...but not bad either. Your diesel seems to hint at it a little, but I don't want to say that's what I'm getting because I don't want to turn anyone off to the hop. That flavor was much more prominent as the beer was more green. It has since faded to basically nothing now. Right now it's a whole load of fruits and berry and white wine in the best possible way.

That said, Nelson by itself can be a little much if it's not your cup of tea. However it's one of my favorite hops and I'm glad I spent ~$150 on the 2020 crop and plan on ordering a few more in a few months.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

I'm not really great at adding specific descriptors for flavors and aromas. In fact, I laugh at all the beer releases that have your typical "stone fruit, lychee, passion-ass, etc etc" combo of flavors and stuff.

But you do get a whole heap load of white whine that in fact, for those who may not care for Nelson, it may be too overpowering. This was (mostly) a single hop beer, after all. Lots of Nelson beers I've had, including this one, bring a very [and I mean VERY] subtle flavor I wouldn't describe as good...but not bad either. Your diesel seems to hint at it a little, but I don't want to say that's what I'm getting because I don't want to turn anyone off to the hop. That flavor was much more prominent as the beer was more green. It has since faded to basically nothing now. Right now it's a whole load of fruits and berry and white wine in the best possible way.

That said, Nelson by itself can be a little much if it's not your cup of tea. However it's one of my favorite hops and I'm glad I spent ~$150 on the 2020 crop and plan on ordering a few more in a few months.

I appreciate you taking a stab at the descriptors of this. I myself aren't that great with describing all the different things I get from hops either. Normally, I can pick out 1-2 different things and thats it, maybe a third. lol. Good to hear that the white wine, which is why I love it, shines through. To be honest, Im not sure exactly what the "diesel" should taste like myself, although when Ive gotten that type of punch, it usually fades as the beer conditions. Thanks again!

 

[Dryyourbeers]

Brewed this up yesterday. Was a bit of a nightmare brew with the 38% malted oats and 10% wheat. Mash kept sticking and I couldn't get anything in the sparge to flow. Brewed a full batch in my Grainfather so the top of the mash was within a half inch of the top of the grainfather. Really pushed it to it's limits I think. Using London Fog and fermentation took off pretty quick. Used @Dgallo hop combination of Cashmere, Amarillo, Citra and Sabro. First time using Sabro and used the Lupomax from YAkima. The smell of these was insane. Can't wait to try this in a few weeks.

The biggest issue I used to have brewing these beers on the grainfather was the bottom heating plate. With huge oat bills the protein would settle on it and keep tripping the overheating switch. It was such a ball ache, and I brew so many of these really oat heavy beers that I ended up changing system because of this

 

[Dryyourbeers]

Follow up to my last post - Here's the cold crashed sample and final product. Turned out incredible. Most in your face aroma I've gotten, could be attributed to a few things... Fermenting and Serving in same keg, fresh 2020 hops, I dunno what else but it's fantastic. I know Nelson by itself isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's delicious.


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Interesting. I had some recent results I'm really happy with too. One of my main changes was it the first time I've not dry hopped during peak fermentation. Instead, I've waited until fermentation is almost done (i.e. OH style) and dry hopped under pressure, adding a spunding valve thereafter to the FV. So the hop aromas weren't blown out of the beer. Similar to your comments on DH in the keg.

Can't say I've blind tested this difference but it has perceptibly made a big difference (maybe that's confirmation bias - who knows).

Downside - my brewing area no longer had the lovely smells of hop aroma!

 

[aaronm13]

The biggest issue I used to have brewing these beers on the grainfather was the bottom heating plate. With huge oat bills the protein would settle on it and keep tripping the overheating switch. It was such a ball ache, and I brew so many of these really oat heavy beers that I ended up changing system because of this

The bottom of my Grainfather was in a bad shape with the amount of protein build up. Took a lot of effort to clean but thankfully it didn't trip out. What system did you change to out of curiosity? The volume limitations really gets to me about the GF as I find 8% is my sweet spot with Ipas and this just pushes it to the limits. I think the new, larger GF is just way over priced for what it is and build quality doesn't look great. I live in a small apartment so an All in One system is perfect for me.

Back to the beer, doing the first dry hop tonight, smell from the fermentation fridge is unreal. can't wait to try it.

 

[Dryyourbeers]

The bottom of my Grainfather was in a bad shape with the amount of protein build up. Took a lot of effort to clean but thankfully it didn't trip out. What system did you change to out of curiosity? The volume limitations really gets to me about the GF as I find 8% is my sweet spot with Ipas and this just pushes it to the limits. I think the new, larger GF is just way over priced for what it is and build quality doesn't look great. I live in a small apartment so an All in One system is perfect for me.

Back to the beer, doing the first dry hop tonight, smell from the fermentation fridge is unreal. can't wait to try it.

BrewTools B40. Build quality and customer service is incredible. Unfortunately it's very pricey as a result. But yeah, I looked at other options like the G70 and I just thought the BrewTools offerings blew them away.

Saw your hops above - sounds great not had much cashmere over here in the UK. And I'm dead jealous of you folks having access to cryo and the likes.

 

[braindead]

BrewTools B40. Build quality and customer service is incredible. Unfortunately it's very pricey as a result. But yeah, I looked at other options like the G70 and I just thought the BrewTools offerings blew them away.

Saw your hops above - sounds great not had much cashmere over here in the UK. And I'm dead jealous of you folks having access to cryo and the likes.

Couldn't agree more.
So annoying we cannot get Cryo hops or Lupo Max.
I just had a delivery from Australia of some Strata and Nectaron but got stung by customs.

May try and order with YVH and hope I don't get stung again although postage is insane too.

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Saw your hops above - sounds great not had much cashmere over here in the UK. And I'm dead jealous of you folks having access to cryo and the likes.

It's not that bad - Malt Miller had Incognito before anywhere in the US had them in retail packs, they're pretty good at getting the latest things like that.

 

[TravelingLight]

Finally! My first brew day since June. With covid and trying to finish building my new brew shed, I had to take a hiatus. But The keezer, ferm chamber, et al, are all in the brew shed, and I needed something to put on tap. This is a 12 gal/double batch. I split into two fermenters and will use different dry hops. Also, I've pretty much eliminated flaked oats entirely from my hazies in favor of malted oats. The only reason there's flaked oats in this batch is I didn't have enough malted oats, and none of my local shops carry it so I always have to order it. Also, I don't often split my base malts. I was just finishing off what I had of Pale and needed more base malt.

47% Rahr Pale
23% Malted Oats
10% Flaked Oats
10% Rahr Pilsner
10% White Wheat

5 oz Citra @ 185* WP, 30m
5 oz Idaho 7 @ 185* WP, 30m

3:1 Chloride:Sulfate
Mashed at 154*

30 minute boil

Estimated OG: 1.063
Actual OG: 1.060
47 IBUs

Batch A Dry Hops (all Galaxy):
2 oz Galaxy @ DH1
4 oz Galaxy @ DH2
1 oz Galaxy @ KH

Batch B Dry Hops (all Vic Secret):
2 oz Vic Secret @ DH1
4 oz Vic Secret @ DH2
1 oz Vic Secret @ KH

Yeast/Fermentation: Bootleg NEEPAH Blend (my absolute favorite yeast for hazybois). Pitched at 68*. Raised to 70* and added DH1 24 hours after pitching. Raised temp to 72* 48 hours after pitching and will finish out at this temp. This weekend I'll do a soft cold crash, and do a closed transfer to kegs with DH2 hanging in bags, let that sit for 24-48 hours, then finally another closed transfer to the serving keg with the KH hanging.

 

[aaronm13]

BrewTools B40. Build quality and customer service is incredible. Unfortunately it's very pricey as a result. But yeah, I looked at other options like the G70 and I just thought the BrewTools offerings blew them away.

Saw your hops above - sounds great not had much cashmere over here in the UK. And I'm dead jealous of you folks having access to cryo and the likes.

I'm only across the water to you in Ireland. Order all my IPA hops now from Yakima as the homebrew shops here stock absolute rubbish. I'd use Malt Miller at a push. Just order a few months supply at a time.

Brew tools looks an incredible piece of kit. Was looking at it but the price quickly changed that but I guess you get what you pay for.

 

[BeerFst]

It's not that bad - Malt Miller had Incognito before anywhere in the US had them in retail packs, they're pretty good at getting the latest things like that.

I’m not aware that the US has access even now, outside of making a business account and buying 2kgs worth

 

[Northern_Brewer]

ISTR it being mentioned on the main NEIPA thread that somewhere in the US had started doing retail packs of Incognito, but I can't say I was paying much attention as it wasn't relevant to me, I could be wrong though.

 

[BeerFst]

ISTR it being mentioned on the main NEIPA thread that somewhere in the US had started doing retail packs of Incognito, but I can't say I was paying much attention as it wasn't relevant to me, I could be wrong though.

Since it’s a haas product only yvh should have it and it still says coming soon online, a 2kg jug is 500 bucks tho

“Currently only available in 2kg jugs for wholesale accounts, but we are working on a smaller format for homebrewers!”

 

[braindead]

Could be an idea for a few trades here. small tubs of incognito that we get for Cryo and Lupo

 

[FitForAPaul]

Has anyone looked into brookline ave from trillium? Malted oats, 2 row, flaked wheat, flaked oats, and white wheat.

 

[Nick Poggetti]

Behold! My latest batch, featuring 2020 Riwaka and a little Idaho 7.

Basics
Batch Size (fermentor):	5.5 gallons
Boil Length:	60 minutes
Mash Temp:	152F	Single Infusion
OG:	1.078 (estimated)	1.072 (actual)
FG:	1.016 (estimated)	1.018 (actual)
ABU:	8.14% (estimated)	7.09% (actual)
IBU:	38ish
SRM:	6.64
Fermentables
2-Row	43%
Malted Oats	43%
White Wheat	5.5%
Golden Naked Oats	8.5%
Total	100%
Hops
Yakima Hop Shot	1.8 ml	FWH or 60 min
Iadho 7	1 oz	10 Min
Riwaka	2 oz	Flameout
Idaho 7	2 oz	Whirlpool @ 170
Riwaka	4 oz	Dryhop 24 hours after pitch
Riwaka	4 oz	Dryhop 5 days after pitch
Total	13 oz + 1.8 ml extract
Yeast
Imperial A24 Dryhop	2 packs	Pitch at 68, let free raise to 72ish after a few days
Water
Mash pH	5.25
Calcium	95
Mg	n/a
Sodium	30
Sulfate	60
Chloride	180
Notes
With 5 min left in boil, start adjusting pH down to 4.6.	I add 3 mL Lactic Acid at a time while recirculating.

It's a winner. I'm in love with this beer. And it's still slightly green too - I can't wait for Sunday/Monday to see how it starts shaping up.

 

[TravelingLight]

Behold! My latest batch, featuring 2020 Riwaka and a little Idaho 7.

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Basics
Batch Size (fermentor):	5.5 gallons
Boil Length:	60 minutes
Mash Temp:	152F	Single Infusion
OG:	1.078 (estimated)	1.072 (actual)
FG:	1.016 (estimated)	1.018 (actual)
ABU:	8.14% (estimated)	7.09% (actual)
IBU:	38ish
SRM:	6.64
Fermentables
2-Row	43%
Malted Oats	43%
White Wheat	5.5%
Golden Naked Oats	8.5%
Total	100%
Hops
Yakima Hop Shot	1.8 ml	FWH or 60 min
Iadho 7	1 oz	10 Min
Riwaka	2 oz	Flameout
Idaho 7	2 oz	Whirlpool @ 170
Riwaka	4 oz	Dryhop 24 hours after pitch
Riwaka	4 oz	Dryhop 5 days after pitch
Total	13 oz + 1.8 ml extract
Yeast
Imperial A24 Dryhop	2 packs	Pitch at 68, let free raise to 72ish after a few days
Water
Mash pH	5.25
Calcium	95
Mg	n/a
Sodium	30
Sulfate	60
Chloride	180
Notes
With 5 min left in boil, start adjusting pH down to 4.6.	I add 3 mL Lactic Acid at a time while recirculating.

It's a winner. I'm in love with this beer. And it's still slightly green too - I can't wait for Sunday/Monday to see how it starts shaping up.

That looks phenomenal. Well done on the color.

I brewed yesterday, and it was the first time I've done the ph adjustment down to 4.6. But I didn't adjust it until the WP was done and I was chilling, or right before I turned on the chiller post-WP.

 

[Nick Poggetti]

That looks phenomenal. Well done on the color.

I brewed yesterday, and it was the first time I've done the ph adjustment down to 4.6. But I didn't adjust it until the WP was done and I was chilling, or right before I turned on the chiller post-WP.

Can't imagine that would be any different. Probably even easier not needing to wait as long for the samples to come in to temp range for the ph meter.

Let me know how yours turns out. I really like the results of A24 Dryhop compared to my Nelson version which I used NEEPAH Blend.

 

[Jesse Runowski]

Hey Everyone,

Saw something on Other Half's instagram's account that made me do a double take. Not sure if I'm over thinking things and or completely way off base so I thought I run it by everyone on this thread.

Over the weekend OH posted several stories to their IG account about their brewing process. It was all pretty standard stuff until they posted a screen shot stating they were adding oats to the lauter tun after the mash was finished. See attached screen cap. They did show the brewer adding a ton of flaked oats to the mash tun before this as well.

The reason for my double take & post is why would you add flaked oats to the lauter tun after the mash process is complete? I would think that they mash out to stop enzyme conversion on the way to the lauter tun. Adding flaked oats to the lauter tun at that temp would most likely mean that there wouldn't be much conversion if any.

My thought is that they are doing this to boost body by creating some unfermentables? Or i could be completely overthinking things haha.

 

[beervoid]

Hey Everyone,

Saw something on Other Half's instagram's account that made me do a double take. Not sure if I'm over thinking things and or completely way off base so I thought I run it by everyone on this thread.

Over the weekend OH posted several stories to their IG account about their brewing process. It was all pretty standard stuff until they posted a screen shot stating they were adding oats to the lauter tun after the mash was finished. See attached screen cap. They did show the brewer adding a ton of flaked oats to the mash tun before this as well.

The reason for my double take & post is why would you add flaked oats to the lauter tun after the mash process is complete? I would think that they mash out to stop enzyme conversion on the way to the lauter tun. Adding flaked oats to the lauter tun at that temp would most likely mean that there wouldn't be much conversion if any.

My thought is that they are doing this to boost body by creating some unfermentables? Or i could be completely overthinking things haha.

I've read people bagging flaked oats and whirlpooling them, but this aside.
I guess why they add to the lauter is cause the sheer amount of flaked oats they use would result in a stuck mash so there is no other way?

 

[TBryerton]

How much hops are there in those big bags they’re dumping in?

 

[beervoid]

Hey Everyone,

Saw something on Other Half's instagram's account that made me do a double take. Not sure if I'm over thinking things and or completely way off base so I thought I run it by everyone on this thread.

Over the weekend OH posted several stories to their IG account about their brewing process. It was all pretty standard stuff until they posted a screen shot stating they were adding oats to the lauter tun after the mash was finished. See attached screen cap. They did show the brewer adding a ton of flaked oats to the mash tun before this as well.

The reason for my double take & post is why would you add flaked oats to the lauter tun after the mash process is complete? I would think that they mash out to stop enzyme conversion on the way to the lauter tun. Adding flaked oats to the lauter tun at that temp would most likely mean that there wouldn't be much conversion if any.

My thought is that they are doing this to boost body by creating some unfermentables? Or i could be completely overthinking things haha.

I think some answers might be found in this podcast Variation in Starch Structure
"Did you know that the gelatinization temperature of your malt could be as low as 136F or as high as 154F? Charlie Bamforth's successor joins us to talk about variations in starch structure and what that might mean for your mash."