When we were down in Bristol last month for the race we stopped at a winery that sold supplies too. They had a kit that looked old, said it made 6 gallons and was $10. I figured what the hey and got it, still have yet to brew it but I figure for $10 if it turns out like crap oh well. It is more like a wine kit though, comes with a bag full of extract like the bag full of juice in a wine kit