Official Lambic.Info thread

[LukeAleTime]

One of the big remaining pages that we have yet to publish is one that covers the various decrees, laws, etc. It's like trying to untie a giant knot, but we are getting there. Thanks for that PDF link, by the way.

Regarding Capsulekesgeuze, we mention it in the sweetened article but it is spelled Capsulekensgeuze on there (as that is how most sources spell it). Search that spelling on Google and you'll get a few more results. But yeah, essentially it's just ~25cl bottles that are capped and nothing else, generally sweetened. But I have been eying up ordering some 25cl Boon OG for the summer.

You can shoot me a PM about the Avermaete & Vandermosen source if you want to read the chapter. It's in a bigger book, but an informative chapter in general.

I look forward to reading the page.

I'm ok with the source, it's more just curiosity at this stage - given how open to interpretation the TSG I'll wait til see what you guys come up with before digging deeper.

 

[Gestalten]

Reading through the Boon section and was intrigued by Lembeek's 2%. Even lower abv than the lowest abv Lambic product I'd known of, which is the Lindeman's Framboos at 2.5%. So, I did some digging. You have probably seen some of this yourselves, but anyway...

"Mars traditionally referred to a weaker beer made from the second runnings of a lambic brewing. It is no longer commercially produced. In the 1990s, the Boon brewery made a modern Mars beer called Lembeek's 2% (the 2% referring to the alcohol content), but its production has since been discontinued." - Wikipedia

"During the 1990s the Frank Boon Brewery in Belgium reintroduced a type of Biere de Mars that was labeled as Lembeek's 2%. It was a lightly spiced lambic style beer with 2% ABV. Although refreshing, this brand failed to find a market and production ceased." - The Oxford Companion to Beer

 

[SeaWatchman]

Yeah, we're still trying to get a good handle on Lembeek's at the moment as those two references above are the only ones I've seen and it looks like one begets the other. Hoping to turn up more eventually and I'm chasing some info on it currently. I can see why it wasn't very popular though in general after having a mars during Toer de Geuze in 2013... Kind of tasted like orange juice mixed with lambic to me.

 

[SourBrewer]

I see no mention of Brouwerij Van Honsebrouck or St Louis gueuze using the search function. Why is this?

 

[SeaWatchman]

I see no mention of Brouwerij Van Honsebrouck or St Louis gueuze using the search function. Why is this?

There's no real reason for us excluding or including them. There are pages in the works, photos taken, and research being done, but it's not complete yet so we haven't posted it. Their history insofar as lambic goes is a bit convoluted so we want to make sure we present it in the right light.

 

[isaac11]

Learned something new today by reading the 3F Oude Geuze page that I really hadn't thought about before..

To get the brewery back on its feet, Armand released a serious of special geuze blends to raise capital to acquire new brewing equipment. In the time between 2009 and late-20013, 3 Fonteinen Oude Geuze was a blend of lambic from Boon, Girardin, and Lindemans. By 2013 the new brewing equipment was in place and Armand began brew again. The first batch of 3 Fonteinen Oude Geuze to contain a portion Armand's lambic after this thermostat incident was bottled on 11/27/2013.

Portions of Armand's lambic dosen'the make it back in til Nov '13. I have not had a '14 yet..

Just opened tonight an 4/13 750 and it's great as ever.. picture will be in DDT..

Thank you again to all those who were involved in starting up the site!

 

[thrashD]

Learned something new today by reading the 3F Oude Geuze page that I really hadn't thought about before..


Portions of Armand's lambic dosen'the make it back in til Nov '13. I have not had a '14 yet..

Just opened tonight an 4/13 750 and it's great as ever.. picture will be in DDT..

Thank you again to all those who were involved in starting up the site!

I just tried a '14 3f OG this weekend and drank my only other a day later because it was so good. Date was either 07/06-02-2014. Planning on clearing out the other few at my local shop this week if they're still there.

 

[Dunt1]

2014 3F is definitely on point

 

[Lurkaholic]

Site down for anyone else?

 

[LukeAleTime]

Nope.

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lambic.info

 

[SeaWatchman]

Site down for anyone else?

Running for me as well. Sometimes there are some glitches on the hosting side of things, but a refresh generally fixes it! Thanks for reading though!

 

[Pneill3161]

Here's an Uli I had that I don't see on your list.

It's basically the same beer as the 3 F meets Orval but dry hopped for an additional month.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Looks like we have that (or something similar?) on the list, or at least with a different bottling date. Paging callmemickey

 

[Pneill3161]

The humulus lupulus on the bottle leads me to the dry hop, plus I had the other 3F meets Orval And all ingredients are the same except bottled day was one month later.

 

[Pneill3161]

Here's 3F

 

[Pneill3161]

Plus they tasted identical as dry hop has probably faded.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Plus they tasted identical as dry hop has probably faded.

Shoot one of us a PM or a submission through the page with all of the label detail that correspond to the table for the Uli page and we'll get it up there then!

 

[errantnight]

So just curious if anyone has any more detail on the Drie Fonteinen returning to brewing. It's stated rather vaguely on the site that:

By 2013 the new brewing equipment was in place and Armand began brew again. The first batch of 3 Fonteinen Oude Geuze to contain a portion Armand's lambic after this thermostat incident was bottled on 11/27/2013.

So that means that the equipment was in place by the end of the 2012-13 brew season in order that young lambic be added for an end-of-2013 bottling? Or is the timeline more compressed than that?

And then I guess...at what capacity are they brewing?

The larger question coming from that detail would be: when can we expect two and three year Drie Fonteinen brewed lambic to appear in their geuze? And will this be increasing their yield, or, more likely, will they simply be replacing lambic currently sourced from other breweries?

 

[SeaWatchman]

So just curious if anyone has any more detail on the Drie Fonteinen returning to brewing. It's stated rather vaguely on the site that:



So that means that the equipment was in place by the end of the 2012-13 brew season in order that young lambic be added for an end-of-2013 bottling? Or is the timeline more compressed than that?

And then I guess...at what capacity are they brewing?

The larger question coming from that detail would be: when can we expect two and three year Drie Fonteinen brewed lambic to appear in their geuze? And will this be increasing their yield, or, more likely, will they simply be replacing lambic currently sourced from other breweries?

If my memory serves me correctly (and Forgetfu can chime in here as well), the brewhouse was in place by, and likely before, Toer de Geuze 2013, though I'm not sure at what operational level and capacity. There will likely be a lot of new information added as we get back from our trips during Toer de Geuze and later again in June. As for specific timelines and brewing capacity, hopefully we'll all know soon!

 

[SeaWatchman]

Just heard back from a friend. 3F had a 40hl system, so roughly 35 barrels.

 

[Forgetfu]

I just added a page about the Schaerbeek Museum of Beer with a lot of pics. There is a ton of brewerania there...glassware, vintage bottles, etc.

Also, if you've ever wondered about the star on the Vigneronne label, I updated that page as well.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Back in 2001 there must have been either a major overhaul in Cantillon labels in general for the US or a new labeling law that required reapproval, as there are 9 "new" labels approved for U.S. distribution during that year. It's interesting to see some of the naming conventions used like "Pure Apricot" for Fou'Foune and "Lou Pepe Pure Gueuze" in 2004 that didn't really make it into the vernacular over the long run. There are higher resolution scans that are more legible on the site to read through.

These are all available on the TTB website linked below if you search for keywords. We went through and pulled a lot of them and are getting around to uploading them, as they expire on the website after 15 years. If you search for any and click the "printable version" you get the entire application. Sometime around 2005 electronic applications came around and a lot of stuff is available as a PDF form. Kind of cool to see what's around. We found some neat stuff like the Monk's Cafe Cuvee de Monk's Kriek label that, to our knowledge, has never seen the light of day.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/publicSearchColasBasicProcess.do?action=clear

 

[sherm10161]

Back in 2001 there must have been either a major overhaul in Cantillon labels in general for the US or a new labeling law that required reapproval, as there are 9 "new" labels approved for U.S. distribution during that year. It's interesting to see some of the naming conventions used like "Pure Apricot" for Fou'Foune and "Lou Pepe Pure Gueuze" in 2004 that didn't really make it into the vernacular over the long run. There are higher resolution scans that are more legible on the site to read through.

These are all available on the TTB website linked below if you search for keywords. We went through and pulled a lot of them and are getting around to uploading them, as they expire on the website after 15 years. If you search for any and click the "printable version" you get the entire application. Sometime around 2005 electronic applications came around and a lot of stuff is available as a PDF form. Kind of cool to see what's around. We found some neat stuff like the Monk's Cafe Cuvee de Monk's Kriek label that, to our knowledge, has never seen the light of day.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/publicSearchColasBasicProcess.do?action=clear

"Fou' Foune is a French family name."

Lulz.

 

[infi]

"Fou' Foune is a French family name."

Lulz.

Her name is Alotta. Alotta Fagina.

 

[Der Fuchs]

So is the 2014 De Troch oude gueuze the same as the chapeau oude gueuze only rebranded? I couldn't find a pic of the label on the site.

 

[SeaWatchman]

So is the 2014 De Troch oude gueuze the same as the chapeau oude gueuze only rebranded? I couldn't find a pic of the label on the site.

So you've got the Cuvee Chapeau label:

But I'm not sure if there has been a recent rebranding/shipment of De Troch that specifically says De Troch Oude Geuze. Do you have a pic?

 

[Der Fuchs]

So you've got the Cuvee Chapeau label:

But I'm not sure if there has been a recent rebranding/shipment of De Troch that specifically says De Troch Oude Geuze. Do you have a pic?

Nope, other label. I was searching under the De Troch section for 'Oude gueuze' and only found the chapeau label. Here is what I have.

 

[Der Fuchs]

Nope, other label. I was searching under the De Troch section for 'Oude gueuze' and only found the chapeau label. Here is what I have.

And the back...




I no like this new way the pics post.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Nope, other label. I was searching under the De Troch section for 'Oude gueuze' and only found the chapeau label. Here is what I have.

That is brand new! ISO!

Cc: Forgetfu

 

[Der Fuchs]

That is brand new! ISO!

Cc: Forgetfu

It is also cheap. 7 and change.