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Btw, unlike the almost comically defined "fans" over on the west coast you'll find people in other locales enjoy football because it's football and frequently good football. Also, although hypocrisy in the college game is rampant it is still often more entertaining than the NFL "let's line the field with mattress pads and consider the move to flag football" progression.

Simply put I've yet to see a california "rivalry" that was worth much more than a squirt of piss.
 
Accidic, once again I will have to educate you. Let's start with your statement about USC. You stated basically they buried evidence on Bush. Well if you knew anything about the whole Bush thing it happened with his parents in San Diego that is 150 miles away from LA. It was started with some wanna be agents who gave money to his parents. NOT THE University of Southern California. Not coaches. Not players. Not boosters. Also USC is a private school, that means they don't have to open any books or for that matter they have always said that they did not know what was going on 150 miles away. A's a matter if fact the only person that admitted anything was a convicted felon. The NCAA had nothing on Bush or USC. You sound like the typical know it all super fan that foes not know anything. They have a word for you, your a tool. Oh yah, ever heard of the battle for the liberty bell? I guess not.
 
Lessee, my recap for the weekend...

UF (Undergrad alma mater) won.
OSU (Oklahoma State- graduate alma mater) won.
USF (brother's school) won.
FSU lost.
USCw lost.
Miami lost.

Pretty freaking great weekend. Only thing coulda made it better is if the other OSU lost too...
 
Laugh, why is it you honestly believe Bush is the only one I'm referring to? Also I'm moderately confident it isn't generally the coaches who directly pay the players as it would be much much harder to get away with. And frankly the only tool here would be someone implying a typically successful program doesn't have systems set up (with plausible deniability on the part of school officials and coaches of course) to pay a variety of the more prestiged players. Don't get me wrong... I don't deny that on the outside for the abuse they take they're frequently undercompensated....

As for your area rival sorry but being there for one of the games I'm going to go so far as to say that game isn't even your closest game to what I'd consider a rivalry. The only thing it's had (save a surprise win by the Bruins several years ago) is proximity. Contempt tho? I'd much sooner pick the Cal game as closer to a true contemptuous rivalry and even it comes up short. Hell, I'd even pick the money bowl you were kind enough to give ND 80yrs ago or whatever it was closer to rivalry status... I'd like to see the OR/ORSt game and buildup as even the WA/St game seemed a little bleh...

Just so you know... A rivalry is that game that separates families with beligerance. The kind of game that when you move to a new area they corner you and pressure you to choose sides. The game you can't escape for a year and sometimes years. Yes, the Bruins should "BE" a HD heated rivalry for you... However, I'm not personally convinced you could find enough overzealous fans in Cali to convince me of it's status of what I consider to be one of the BIG rivalries.

If it's any consolation tho, living in Cali did manage to breed enough contempt in me towards USC to threaten to disown my daughter if she went there. Cal I can live with begrudgingly. Stanford I can live with. USC she would never ever live down......
 
Accidic said:
Laugh, why is it you honestly believe Bush is the only one I'm referring to? Also I'm moderately confident it isn't generally the coaches who directly pay the players as it would be much much harder to get away with. And frankly the only tool here would be someone implying a typically successful program doesn't have systems set up (with plausible deniability on the part of school officials and coaches of course) to pay a variety of the more prestiged players. Don't get me wrong... I don't deny that on the outside for the abuse they take they're frequently undercompensated....

As for your area rival sorry but being there for one of the games I'm going to go so far as to say that game isn't even your closest game to what I'd consider a rivalry. The only thing it's had (save a surprise win by the Bruins several years ago) is proximity. Contempt tho? I'd much sooner pick the Cal game as closer to a true contemptuous rivalry and even it comes up short. Hell, I'd even pick the money bowl you were kind enough to give ND 80yrs ago or whatever it was closer to rivalry status... I'd like to see the OR/ORSt game and buildup as even the WA/St game seemed a little bleh...

Just so you know... A rivalry is that game that separates families with beligerance. The kind of game that when you move to a new area they corner you and pressure you to choose sides. The game you can't escape for a year and sometimes years. Yes, the Bruins should "BE" a HD heated rivalry for you... However, I'm not personally convinced you could find enough overzealous fans in Cali to convince me of it's status of what I consider to be one of the BIG rivalries.

If it's any consolation tho, living in Cali did manage to breed enough contempt in me towards USC to threaten to disown my daughter if she went there. Cal I can live with begrudgingly. Stanford I can live with. USC she would never ever live down......

You do make some valid points, but I have to ask were you lived at in Cali. Also you state that the USC/UCLA game has lost some of it's luster. I have to disagree, have you ever been to a USC or UCLA fans house with family members divided? I have seen straight up domestics break out because the wife's family and husbands family have one or the other a's their teams.

I also did not include the battle for the Irish War Club as Notre Dame is not from California or the PAC 12

As for the whole USC is corrupt, I get it. People love to hate success. USC was dominate in the last decade. But what really makes me mad are people that say the whole team was corrupt. Unless you suited up for the Trojans then how the heck do you know??? The most corrupt team in the last couple of decades was not even USC. That would have to go to either Auburn or Miami. But that's ok, we can just gloss over the truth. I'll tell you what corrupt is, that's the NCAA. They wait five years to hammer a school for one players actions (that's even if he did it) but reinstated a guy 24 hours after his school suspends him for being pimped out by his dad.
 
Yes, my wife's family lives down there and we were there for several of that particular game. We lived ~30m away from Cal. Of the in state games played it was the closest I felt that came to being a "rivalry." Take an OhSt/Mich, Aub/Al, Fl/FlSt, etc game on the other hand and that potential internal fighting isn't necessarily just around the time of the game. It's just not quite the same. I did mention the Money Bowl vs ND prior as it did seem the closest to a big "rivalry" that I saw while I lived over there and I wonder if it was due to the large catholic population (compared to other areas I'd lived at least) that I found in Cali.

As for USC directly, I don't hate them because they are successful. I hate them for very different reasons which I won't detail on here. I also didn't pick on them (at least intentionally) due to corruption until you pointed out my "Hypocrisy." I do agree on the NCAA thing and I think that the rules they impose on players, while well meaning perhaps, is largely unreasonable. I also don't think for a minute that the average player (for football especially) is adequately compensated for the kind of abuse they sign up for when considered in conjunction with the stipulations they get placed upon them to keep the schools "righteous" in the NCAA's eyes.

As for Miami, I do not claim to know that much about the U but as I recall hearing it there was some weird thing that drug out one of the investigations that prolonged one big huge list of corruption into one instance. IIRC there was some kind of fraud vs the Govt and they shut down the investigation until the feds finished theirs. Then when all that got aired out they were granted leniency by the NCAA as they had been cooperative with the Feds investigation or some such and they managed to escape the "Death Penalty" (which didn't OSU get something very close to that or at least closer than anyone else save SMU of course have ever gotten?) purely on that point.

I do, however, wonder what your standards are for declaring Auburn the most corrupt. You'll note I do not deny that they've done some pretty severe rule breaking mind you... They are also in the lead with 7 major infractions since what, 1952? None of the ones that stuck have been in the past two decades I might add. The Newton thing? Well, while I call bull**** on him not knowing about it... It doesn't have much to do with Auburn unless they paid him. They stood behind their player regardless of their motive and if in fact they were not approached re: pay for play for the kid (which again I find highly unlikely) they technically did nothing wrong. MsSt would be the culprit there and tbf to them they did report it even if it was rather late but they had those allegation on their (NCAA) desks over 2 months before the 2010 season started (not to mention the SECs desk a full 8 even with the 1mo wait MSU did to see if they successfully recruited him first... They reported it after he committed to Auburn). Further, I would also point out that Auburn is not the only program with 7 strikes (major) so to speak. Going from memory ASU is up there (some people even claim more than 7), SMU of course, Wisconsin, FSU, Cal, Oklahoma, and ATM all share 7 strikes a piece. I think there are several others in fact including a couple Big Ten schools. USC as a comparison IIRC was actually at 6 as of 2006? There are those who have suggested in the past that Bowden (towards the end) was more pushed out because he wasn't cooperating with the P4P scheme. Same thing for Tuberville at least allegedly.

That said and while I'm thinking about it... Personally I believe Paul Bryant was the most corrupt coach of all time. Alabama was always one of the NCAAs darling teams. And yes, they did escape any penalties while Bryant was a coach... However, I would point out that versus the above they have 5? major infractions and all in the past 20 or so years? What, no death penalty? Oh ya, it's Alabama. Not to mention the fact that Pat Dye was an assistant to Bryant for what, a decade(?), before moving on to be successful at other schools before ending up at Auburn. To be the best (at cheating the system anyway) it pays to learn from the best I'd say. Hell, who better to point the finger at Dye than the guy who taught him how to do what he was doing to try and circumvent the rules. Don't get me wrong, Bryant was a tremendous coach but he should have been once he reached Alabama considering he most likely had the best talent money could buy... (Disclaimer: No matter right or wrong I'm definitely going to be slightly biased here. ;) )
 
Accidic, a very well thought out and written rebuttal. I commend you on bringing very intelligent argument to the table. I must admit that while I agree with 90% of it I am also biased and must disagree with something. :)

As a passionate fan such as yourself you must realize that I have to stick up for the Trojans. Even though I would give anything to get rid of the Kiffins and the damage that they have done to this program. I will have to suffer through another season of mediocrity until Pat Hayden fires them. It amazes me that it was only a few short years ago when every game at USC was packed and now look at it. I guess that happens when you are prison r*%#d by the NCAA.
 
I love how I just managed to delete that entire post. I'm that good.

I don't know if I believe both Kiffins are an abyss. I believe Monte is the real deal and is arguably one of the best defensive coaches of all time. Lane on the other hand... Well, meh. While I think TN the fool for getting rid of Fulmer (I still suspect politics re: the Alabama thing for that), they were blessed to get rid of Lane.

On a sidenote, one of my things is trying to attend games for all div 1A schools (at least the major ones) and at (ideally anyway) each of their stadiums. Currently I've visited 37 stadiums and 55 teams. Before I managed to escape Cali I got to see UCLA, USC (ND & UCLA @ USC), Stanford, Cal, Oregon, AZ (not ASU), WA, and WASt (work travel ftw!). Of the ones I've been to though, currently I believe Florida has the best experience hands down (oddly even with as much family as I have in LA I have yet to make a game @LSU tbf). That stadium is absolutely unbelievable and I've yet to see any game at any level that rivals it (out of only 11 pro games tho). They say it's built in a sinkhole and when things get fired up there it's somewhere between the feel of the stadium imploding/exploding/collapsing and is beyond utterly deafening. Most of the central US I haven't had the opportunity to visit yet though.
 
In West Virginia, regardless of whether it's a felony or not, they burn couches. In Tennessee given the chance I'm pretty sure they'd do the same with Lane Kiffin. :)
 
Accidic said:
In West Virginia, regardless of whether it's a felony or not, they burn couches. In Tennessee given the chance I'm pretty sure they'd do the same with Lane Kiffin. :)

Didn't they burn couches on Rich Rods lawn when he bailed for Michigan.
 
Man, Bama is great. We (UF) are lacking an offensive line. And now, it would appear, and quarterback.

My prediction - whoever wins the November 5 matchup of Alabama and LSU is winning the National Championship. My prediction is that they play Wisconsin for it.
 
Alabama would have a tougher go of it than LSU against Wisconsin. LSUs defense excels against WIs qb style. The question is whether they can get past Bama who've been in their head in recent years. LSUs schedule has been beyond brutal tho.

As for FL it didn't look like they've really completely adapted to their new style yet. Was a real shame to see their qb go down. Was an entertaining game up to that point.

The game that threw me for the biggest loop was the aTm / Ark game. The calls in that game amazed me. Saw one of the aTm players held from behind have the jersey pulled so far off his body a full grown person could have crawled in and never touched the guy yet no penalty... Yet a few plays later an offensive player grazed a guys helmet otw down (in actuality because of the off. player) and the db got flagged for it. At least it was terrible in both directions but damn...
 
Congrats Accidic. It was an ugly offensive game... but special team errors and a non-existant offensive line are no way to defeat Auburn.

Good luck this coming week, I hope you have a better outcome than we did against LSU.
 
LSU is a loss. Fl would have most likely been too had they had a qb instead of starting that WR there but I'll take it. I do feel rather bad for them tho. I kinda liked their old wild offenses and am not enamored with the transition to hard nosed pounding football instead when it comes to them. Bama is a probable loss but the rival aspect tends to make it all bets are off.

Apparently my price for things going that way was utter and complete collapse of my FF team. I knew it would be a tough week but I at least figured I'd stand a chance against a low scoring team. Alas I'll finish the week with nearly 400pts more scored against than any other team. But AU won and MI lost (to MiSt no less $$) so if only Cal had came through for me it would have been a golden saturday for me. I'd still rank it solid in the cheer department tho... I'll just pretend sunday never happened.
 
Can't believe my Southern Miss eagles had UAB 14-0 in the firs 3:30 of game and now it's 14-14 at the end of the 1st

Wait a tick... I know you... :D

My big game of the week (since UF is playing Furman) is tomorrow night. Oklahoma State's last game before OU next weekend.
 
I'm just hoping auburn beats samford like they should, dec7 comes as quickly as possible so they bury sandusky if he's guilty, and a fresh week off with nothing to do except thanksgiving and football.
 
Well crap. Cowboys lost, Gators are 6-5 after squeaking by Furman.

If OSU can beat OU though at least one of my teams will get a good bowl game.

Thank God almost half the top ten teams lost the same week OSU did.
 
Yikes. I don't know why the Ducks and the Badgers are even bothering to field a team on defense.


Hmm. Bucky just got a defensive TD. Question answered.
 
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