Obnoxious Football Trash Talk Thread

[ChshreCat]

 

[user 574]

Stop meme boy

 

[HoppyDaze]

Actually Tom Brady gets another raise: you people are fools

http://deadspin.com/actually-tom-br...source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[stratslinger]

Well, he does get those minor pay raises ($1 million a year over the next three years) assuming the Pats don't decide to release him - which they can now do at will, with no need to pay him another dime unless they're releasing him due to injury.

Sure, playing the way he is now, it seems a pretty slight risk - but it's definitely a risk. He picks up $3 million over three years in exchange for the risk of dropping all the remaining 20 some odd million of his contract, should Bellichick decide to dump his aging QB before a significant decline in his skills.

But of course we know that Belichick _never_ cuts aging stars who appear to be on the downside of their career.

 

[TheDudeLebowski]

Sounds like the Brady family could use an accountant.

 

[the_bird]

... another one of those deals that stands to benefit both Tom Terrific and the organization. Don't you all wish your teams were run this well?

 

[h22lude]

His new deal doesn't change the cap, it just frees up cash that would have needed to be held in an account.

TB12 showing his selflessness once again.

 

[bob1852]

Actually Tom Brady gets another raise: you people are fools

http://deadspin.com/actually-tom-br...source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Once again, you're the fool. No one said he was taking a pay cut...

 

[motobrewer]

cowboys/lions game is a win win for the packers.

if the lions (miraculously) win we'll get a cakewalk round 1 and then embarrass cooter in his home. if the cowboys win they'll take seattle out for us and have to come to lambeau.

 

[HoppyDaze]

No but everyone was gargling his balls as if he made some sort of sacrifice. Fools...

 

[the_bird]

Well, Brady is gambling $20M of his own future earnings on his ability to remain an elite quarterback. A guy like Geno Smith talks about how he shows "flashes" of being a Pro Bowl quarterback; Tommy Terrific is saying "You can take $20M out of my pocket if I ain't."

 

[HoppyDaze]

If you really think there's a possibility he won't see that money then I have an investment opportunity for you. PM your bank account number and SS# I promise I'll triple your account balance in one day!

 

[bob1852]

No but everyone was gargling his balls as if he made some sort of sacrifice. Fools...

No, no one is suggesting that.

 

[the_bird]

Well, since I fully expect Tom Brady to remain one of the two or three best quarterbacks in the league until, oh... about the year 2037, I think I'll take a pass on your "investment opportunity."

Bill Barnwell makes a good point; if, for whatever reason, the team decides to roll with The Jimmy G experience in a year or two, under the old contract there was basically no way that the Pats could have released Brady without taking a huge cap hit. They'd be able to trade him, of course, but there's only so many teams that have the 9 or 10 first round draft picks to give up for him, so Brady would basically have no control over where he'd land. Now, if the team decided that they need to move on from Brady, they can simply release him without any cap damage, and Brady would be an unrestricted free agent and able to sign wherever was best for him.

But that's all irrelevant, of course, because... 2037.

 

[h22lude]

Once again, you're the fool. No one said he was taking a pay cut...

Exactly. Thank you for actually reading what people post.

He isn't taking a cut. He just made it not guaranteed which allows the Pats to guarantee money to sign a free agent.

 

[Darwin18]

The real question is why a multi-billionaire like Kraft would give a **** about $24 million sitting in an escrow account.

 

[the_bird]

The real question is why a multi-billionaire like Kraft would give a **** about $24 million sitting in an escrow account.

I don't think he does. Barnwell's article makes the most sense; the team gets a lot of flexibility, but so does Brady. In that 0.000000000001% chance that the team decides to move on, he's rather the team be able to simply release him instead of risking Belichick trading him to Jacksonville or Tampa Bay.

It doesn't seem to be about the money, really from either the team's perspective or from Brady's.

 

[bob1852]

The real question is why a multi-billionaire like Kraft would give a **** about $24 million sitting in an escrow account.

Cuz he saw how bad Colangelo screwed up the Diamondbacks by a decade by deferring all that money in ~2001 to buy that championship.

It's not about the money, it's about the cap structure. And most billionaires stay billionaires because they property manage money/risk, not just say "hey, I'm rich, let's overpay Geno Smith and hope it works out."

 

[TheDudeLebowski]

It's about cash flow and cap flexibility. Kraft did care about $25m and had to take into account writing a check for it before this move. Even if Brady or the pats decided to move on the qb situation, brady would easily pick up the money from another team.

Now if we could get Woody Johnson to talk about our star cb.

 

[Darwin18]

Cuz he saw how bad Colangelo screwed up the Diamondbacks by a decade by deferring all that money in ~2001 to buy that championship.

It's not about the money, it's about the cap structure. And mist billionaires stay billionaires because they property manage money/risk, not just say "hey, I'm rich, let's overpay Geno Smith and hope it works out."

Except this doesn't effect cap structure in any way and I think you meant Sanchez instead of Geno (just go with generic Jets QB next time). All this does is free up $24 million from an escrow account that can be used to pay the salaries of other players.

 

[the_bird]

No, it's still related to the future cap structure. They aren't freeing up any room under the cap this year, but they now COULD free up money in the future if they ever were to release Brady.

Given Brady's relationship with Kraft and Belichick, I've got to believe there's a level of trust at work - that if Brady ever departs, it'll be a mutual decision. Belichick will decide to go with Jimmy G (who's going to be an outstanding quarterback someday), and Brady would like the opportunity to go home and win a title in San Francisco. It's not going to happen... but it's marginally more likely that this scenario plays out in two years than it was before the restructuring.

 

[h22lude]

It doesn't free up cap. It allows them to guarantee that money to a free agent instead of TB12.

 

[HoppyDaze]

Fools

 

[jbaysurfer]

Well, since I fully expect Tom Brady to remain one of the two or three best quarterbacks in the league until, oh... about the year 2037, I think I'll take a pass on your "investment opportunity."

Bill Barnwell makes a good point; if, for whatever reason, the team decides to roll with The Jimmy G experience in a year or two, under the old contract there was basically no way that the Pats could have released Brady without taking a huge cap hit. They'd be able to trade him, of course, but there's only so many teams that have the 9 or 10 first round draft picks to give up for him, so Brady would basically have no control over where he'd land. Now, if the team decided that they need to move on from Brady, they can simply release him without any cap damage, and Brady would be an unrestricted free agent and able to sign wherever was best for him.

But that's all irrelevant, of course, because... 2037.

Dead money hits the cap whether a player is released OR traded, so I'm not really following that logic. Players have a level of trade "veto power" built in in that they can refuse to show. If that happens, the trading team gets no compensation, so I don't think Brady did it so the Pats couldn't trade him, I think he just did it because he knows he can make a truckload of money in any number of other places in the NFL and has too much pride to ever want to be in a place where he's not wanted. Also, a million a year IS still a pay raise.

 

[the_bird]

Dead money hits the cap whether a player is released OR traded, so I'm not really following that logic. Players have a level of trade "veto power" built in in that they can refuse to show. If that happens, the trading team gets no compensation, so I don't think Brady did it so the Pats couldn't trade him, I think he just did it because he knows he can make a truckload of money in any number of other places in the NFL and has too much pride to ever want to be in a place where he's not wanted. Also, a million a year IS still a pay raise.

There won't BE any dead money is the point. They can just cut Brady and they won't have to pay him the $24M that was previously guaranteed.

 

[jbaysurfer]

There won't BE any dead money is the point. They can just cut Brady and they won't have to pay him the $24M that was previously guaranteed.

Yes. But Barnwell (as I gathered from your post since I didn't read it) made this out to be a move that prevents a trade, and it doesn't do that. Brady had the same power before to prevent a trade that he has now. His ability to no-show. In fact, if anything, this move made a trade MORE likely, not less.

 

[the_bird]

My takeaway is that it "prevents" a trade only in the sense that the team would be free to simply release Brady. If the time ever comes that the Pats decide it's time to roll with Garoppolo, BB and Kraft will do Brady a solid and let him leave free and clear; they will grant him his release instead of trading him. That wouldn't have really been an option under the previous contract - they would have basically been forced to trade Brady, just to get rid of his salary.

Now, that *would* mean letting Brady walk without getting anything back in return, which would seem antithetical to everything that BB has preached over the years... but Tom Brady has always been the one exception.

In any case, irrelevant because... 2037.

 

[HoppyDaze]

Your takeaway blows

 

[the_bird]

... as does your uncle. They don't let him be a Scoutmaster anymore, do they?

 

[bob1852]

Good to see the NFL caved on player behavior/conduct. Again.

The league needs to realize they are enabling all these ******** by going light on their punishments.