New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[Dgallo]

Where we are adding water chemistry minerals. In my experience reducing what I add in the MT/HLT and saving a % of certain minerals to BK has a very different impact. Point being, it’s probably worth a conversation on here to see what everyone’s method is. @Dgallo I’m curious what your technique is. BTW, I enjoy your IG channel - great job with that.

I personally make all my adjustments in the mash/sparge. but its funny you mentioned that because our home-brew club is now meeting at The Warbler Brewery in Delmar, NY and we just discussed this exact topic with the Brewer/owner. we also discussed pre-dryhop ph adjustments. He believes you can be more consistent making adjustments in BK. So I think I am going to try to add them to the bk next brew. when it comes to ph, he said he will adjust to 4.2-4.3 pre-dryhopping if needed (he said targeting 5.1/5.2 at start of boil will get him there) because he wants to land right at 4.6 going into packaging. which I found interesting .

and thanks regarding my Instagram page, I am certainly trying to make it somewhat interesting lol

 

[murphyslaw]

Janish said in his book that dry hopping at 4.2 is ideal for haze development.

 

[Dgallo]

Janish said in his book that dry hopping at 4.2 is ideal for haze development.

I don’t recall actually reading that in there but It def correlate with what Chris said (the Brewer/owner) but his reasoning for dryhoping there and finishing was about a softer hop profile and smoother character from the hops

 

[Jimmy_Hops]

My latest batch is cold crashing and carbing but I couldn’t help myself. This bag of Idaho 7 I got from YVH is crazy strong. Super musty pineapple. I have 6 oz. of Lupomax Citra, 1 oz. of Citra Cryo, and 1.35 oz. of t90 Citra in the dry hop, while only having 3 oz. of Idaho 7 in there and it’s blowing the Citra away! The last batch I did was Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy, and Idaho 7 and they almost taste identical. Needless to say, I have figured out that Idaho 7 is super overpowering (not a bad thing). I’m going to do the same recipe next time keeping the Citra the same and just swap out the secondary hop every time I brew this recipe. Should be fun to see what different hops do when paired with Citra. I’m either going to do El Dorado or Sabro next. Leaning El Dorado as I love the fruit punch flavor it brings. Side note, I’m loving what Verdant IPA yeast has done to this beer. That apricot note is really shining and I’m picking up some cream/vanilla in there too. It finally helped me get a NEIPA down to 1.016 to help dry it out and cut out that cloying sweetness. Right at 8% ABV too which I’m not complaining about.

 

[SteveLupoMax]

I personally make all my adjustments in the mash/sparge. but its funny you mentioned that because our home-brew club is now meeting at The Warbler Brewery in Delmar, NY and we just discussed this exact topic with the Brewer/owner. we also discussed pre-dryhop ph adjustments. He believes you can be more consistent simply worrying about ph in the mash and adding your specific profile adjustments in BK. So I think I am going to try to add them to the bk next brew. when it comes to ph, he said he will adjust to 4.2-4.3 pre-dryhopping if needed because he wants to land right at 4.6 going into packaging. which I found interesting .

and thanks regarding my Instagram page, I am certainly trying to make it somewhat interesting lol

Sorry @Dgallo, What do you mean by BK (embarrassed)

 

[Dgallo]

Sorry @Dgallo, What do you mean by BK (embarrassed)

Boil kettle

 

[aaronm13]

Kegged this yesterday and couldn't resist taking a sample. This is my Nectaron and Citra DIPA. Citra hot side and Nectaron and Citra T90 and Lupomax cold side. Really excited about this as it's very impressive already. Can't wait to see how this conditions out in a couple of weeks. Just hope I can leave it alone.

Got very high efficiency this time so OG was 1.084 and still finished at 1.020 but left out the honey malt this time so it's not crazy sweet. With the higher OG I'm kinda glad it didn't go much lower. Nectaron is incredible but I just wish I got more at the time. Hope supply of this hop improves. Has all the New Zealand goodness of Nelson but so much more.

 

[HopsAreGood]

Kegged this yesterday and couldn't resist taking a sample. This is my Nectaron and Citra DIPA. Citra hot side and Nectaron and Citra T90 and Lupomax cold side. Really excited about this as it's very impressive already. Can't wait to see how this conditions out in a couple of weeks. Just hope I can leave it alone.

Got very high efficiency this time so OG was 1.084 and still finished at 1.020 but left out the honey malt this time so it's not crazy sweet. With the higher OG I'm kinda glad it didn't go much lower. Nectaron is incredible but I just wish I got more at the time. Hope supply of this hop improves. Has all the New Zealand goodness of Nelson but so much more.

Looks great. I absolutely love Nectaron as well. I’ve searched high and low to see if I can get some and I simply can’t. The only place I found that has some is more beer and they only have an 11 pound box for $330. I was gonna see if anyone in here wanted to go in on somewhat of a group by, but the logistics are probably ridiculous trying to break it up and ship it all over the place etc.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/nz-nectaron-pellet-hops-11-lb-box-2021-crop-year.html

 

[Dgallo]

Looks great. I absolutely love Nectaron as well. I’ve searched high and low to see if I can get some and I simply can’t. The only place I found that has some is more beer and they only have an 11 pound box for $330. I was gonna see if anyone in here wanted to go in on somewhat of a group by, but the logistics are probably ridiculous trying to break it up and ship it all over the place etc.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/nz-nectaron-pellet-hops-11-lb-box-2021-crop-year.html

I could be wrong but I could have sworn Kane put out a beer with Nectron, have you thought about asking them if you could buy a lb of them

 

[HopsAreGood]

I could be wrong but I could have sworn Kane put out a beer with Nectron, have you thought about asking them if you could buy a lb of them

I have not thought about asking them, but it might be worth a shot. I’d probably lean towards them saying no, but I guess you never know. Magnify also has some Nectaron in their beers and they’re pretty local to me as well.

With it being as scarce as it is, I’d be surprised if they let even a little bit go.

But great suggestion, I’ll probably give it a try.

 

[Dgallo]

I have not thought about asking them, but it might be worth a shot. I’d probably lean towards them saying no, but I guess you never know. Magnify also has some Nectaron in their beers and they’re pretty local to me as well.

With it being as scarce as it is, I’d be surprised if they let even a little bit go.

But great suggestion, I’ll probably give it a try.

You never know. The amount they need, a lb is most likely negligible.

I literally just asked Steve from fiden’s if he’d sell me a lb of Nelson lol they have a hand selected contract with freestyle hops for their NZ varieties. I’m hoping he says yes lol

 

[R.A.I.D]

@Dgallo
Great to see you got inspired by the Nordic tradition of RAW brewing. Looking forward to read more about your impressions of the brew.

Why did you quit spelt malt this time? Earlier on you were pretty impressed by it.

 

[Dgallo]

@Dgallo
Great to see you got inspired by the Nordic tradition of RAW brewing. Looking forward to read more about your impressions of the brew.

Why did you quit spelt malt this time? Earlier on you were pretty impressed by it.

I still love spelt but I brewed with what I had on hand honestly. The whole beer was kind of, we have a party in 3 weeks what do I have on hand and what can speed up my brew day lol

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

Hi,
I'm curious as to what percent of head space you have during fermentation?
I use a 7.9 gallon fermenter with a 5 gallon bucket. So I have 27% head space available.
Thanks!

In my conical I might have a half gallon of headspace, especially with this style I get as much in as I can to account for trub loss from the big dry hop amount.. so a half gallon if head space and 17.5 gallon of wort at start of fermentation.. I also use a 1/2 inch blow off tube into a bucket of starsan. My non dry hopped beers I have probably close to 2 gallons of headspace.

 

[aaronm13]

Looks great. I absolutely love Nectaron as well. I’ve searched high and low to see if I can get some and I simply can’t. The only place I found that has some is more beer and they only have an 11 pound box for $330. I was gonna see if anyone in here wanted to go in on somewhat of a group by, but the logistics are probably ridiculous trying to break it up and ship it all over the place etc.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/nz-nectaron-pellet-hops-11-lb-box-2021-crop-year.html

Just managed to pick just under a lb of Nectaron from Malt Miller in the UK. Not cheap though, at about $14 for 100g plus shipping. Not sure if they ship to the US but could be worth a look. They seem to be the only place with stock of it.

 

[HopsAreGood]

Just managed to pick just under a lb of Nectaron from Malt Miller in the UK. Not cheap though, at about $14 for 100g plus shipping. Not sure if they ship to the US but could be worth a look. They seem to be the only place with stock of it.

They don’t…I emailed them A while ago to ask them about shipping to the US. I wanted to get some of the broken down homebrew size incognito tubes. I have seen that they have Nectaron in stock, but unfortunately they won’t ship to me.

 

[aaronm13]

They don’t…I emailed them A while ago to ask them about shipping to the US. I wanted to get some of the broken down homebrew size incognito tubes. I have seen that they have Nectaron in stock, but unfortunately they won’t ship to me.

My local homebrew store in Ireland has Incognito tubes and says they deliver world wide but don't see the US listed so could be worth dropping them a mail. Their customer service is very good. They also do the tubes of Spectrum which I want to try but the price is putting me off.

Citra Incognito 15ml - Get Er Brewed

 

[HopsAreGood]

My local homebrew store in Ireland has Incognito tubes and says they deliver world wide but don't see the US listed so could be worth dropping them a mail. Their customer service is very good. They also do the tubes of Spectrum which I want to try but the price is putting me off.

Citra Incognito 15ml - Get Er Brewed

Thanks for this. It’s funny because I emailed them as well a while ago, and they said no shipping to the US. It’s basically them and Malt Miller that always come up when I’m searching for things. Maybe the policies have changed on shipping to the US, I’m not quite sure. Maybe I’ll email them again.

 

[aaronm13]

Thanks for this. It’s funny because I emailed them as well a while ago, and they said no shipping to the US. It’s basically them and Malt Miller that always come up when I’m searching for things. Maybe the policies have changed on shipping to the US, I’m not quite sure. Maybe I’ll email them again.

Ah sorry about that. I think both companies have tie ins with Haas so they always have those newer hop products.

New regulations came into effect within the EU last July about customs and vat so everything is more expensive now importing and exporting. Also Brexit in the UK has had a massive difference.

Is there any mail forwarding services you could use? This is how I order my hops from Yakima as they don't ship to Europe anymore. My latest Yakima arrived in Jersey today actually so should have them here in a week or so.

 

[HopsAreGood]

Ah sorry about that. I think both companies have tie ins with Haas so they always have those newer hop products.

New regulations came into effect within the EU last July about customs and vat so everything is more expensive now importing and exporting. Also Brexit in the UK has had a massive difference.

Is there any mail forwarding services you could use? This is how I order my hops from Yakima as they don't ship to Europe anymore. My latest Yakima arrived in Jersey today actually so should have them here in a week or so.

I’m not sure to be honest. I’ve never even looked into a mail forwarding service but I guess that’s something I could do. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

11 lbs for only $33 per lb!

https://www.morebeer.com/products/nz-nectaron-pellet-hops-11-lb-box-2021-crop-year.html
Edit...I see this was mentioned a few posts up...I am still working my way through this thread.

 

[aaronm13]

I’m not sure to be honest. I’ve never even looked into a mail forwarding service but I guess that’s something I could do. Thanks for the suggestion.

Good luck with it. The Irish post service has a really good one set up for the US, just expensive. Its an extra $20 to ship the hops from Jersey to Ireland. Then customs will have to get their cut too.

 

[BeerFst]

Ah sorry about that. I think both companies have tie ins with Haas so they always have those newer hop products.

New regulations came into effect within the EU last July about customs and vat so everything is more expensive now importing and exporting. Also Brexit in the UK has had a massive difference.

Is there any mail forwarding services you could use? This is how I order my hops from Yakima as they don't ship to Europe anymore. My latest Yakima arrived in Jersey today actually so should have them here in a week or so.

YVH is also associated with Haas. They sell all those products in the larger, brewery formats, but nothing in the homebrew size. They've said they are working on it, but it's been months to a year at this point.

 

[murphyslaw]

Anyone here using cbc1 to carbonate NEIPAs? Considering it for o2 scrubbing and perhaps texture/mouthfeel.

 

[Dgallo]

New Thiol freeing yeast is available from Escarpment Labs. They are out of Canada and shipping to US is flat rated at $16 if IRC, so you might want to plan to order some of their other offering to make it effective. They are very well know for wild/Brett offering and kviek isolates/blends.

 

[bartichex]

From the Escarpment Labs website:
“Thiol Libre is exclusively available in Canada.”

 

[jordanfrenzy]

Haven't seen too much Cosmic Punch discussion in a while, but have a dry hop question.

Are most of you doing an early dry hop for biotransformation + a later dry hop with this yeast or should I just follow the most common method on here of completing fermentation then soft crashing before one big dry hop? I'm about 24 hours into fermentation and don't know if this yeast has any magical biotrans abilities or if I would maximize this beer by doing a large dry hop at the end.

 

[HopsAreGood]

A fellow member here contacted me the other day about possibly doing the group bye for nectaron that I brought up. He’s a long time lurker and doesn’t really post. Anyway, he just messaged me and said Yakima valley hops currently has 2 ounce bags of Nectaron available. I just snagged 2 pounds for myself. I have no idea how long it will last, but figured I’d share it here.

https://yakimavalleyhops.com/products/nectaron-hop-pellets?_pos=1&_psq=Nect&_ss=e&_v=1.0

 

[doogie]

Haven't seen too much Cosmic Punch discussion in a while, but have a dry hop question.

Are most of you doing an early dry hop for biotransformation + a later dry hop with this yeast or should I just follow the most common method on here of completing fermentation then soft crashing before one big dry hop? I'm about 24 hours into fermentation and don't know if this yeast has any magical biotrans abilities or if I would maximize this beer by doing a large dry hop at the end.

I can't speak for most of us, but I have been only dry hopping (oxygen free) after a cold crash and found that to be enough to get the great aroma. Any oxygen sneaking in at any point will reduce the aroma in a few days in my experience. My last batch I knew I had gotten some some oxygen in due to me being out of CO2 and some hop clogging, but it was still drinkable.

 

[tracer bullet]

Any oxygen sneaking in at any point will reduce the aroma in a few days in my experience.

Same here, for practically any beer. Try as a might, I can keep something better for far longer than in the past, but that taste from the first couple days never sticks around. Although to be fair some of it could be things like yeast settling out and other stuff not actually oxygen related. I don't make my own NEIPA's but this applies to any IPA of any sort, almost any beer at all really.

But - that's probably a whole different topic.