New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[DeutschMark]

Just joining in here...planning to brew this next week on Spike solo. Thanks to all for the info in this thread!

 

[secretlevel]

I had a stint where I rain Voss and Hornindal for like a year. They are solid yeast but tend to outshine the yeast and provide less body. I found that if I up the pitch count to a full pouch, I was able to control the esters some but they always seemed to come off thinner

Definitely thinner, Voss attenuates pretty damn well, often around 80%, but a 1.010 finish isn't something that everyone is after with NEIPA's. My buddy adds some maltodextrin to his Voss brews and the beers always come out well. It adds body without the sweetness.

 

[Shenanigans]

Thanks again for the feedback.
I'll adjust the mash temperature to try reduce the attenuation.
The recipe also includes half a pound of dextrose so I'll leave that out and replace it with some carapils. I'll look into increasing the flaked adjuncts a bit too.

 

[BoilerInSoCal]

So, I am about to jump on the spelt and Cosmic Punch train. I really wanted to try A24 Dry Hop this go around, but my LBHS was out, so I went with Cosmic Punch. But I am excited to try the spelt. Anyway, two questions for the group:
1. I'm thinking a Citra/Strata combo (targeting 1.080 OG). Any thoughts/experience for the ratios in WP and Dry Hop? Heavy Strata in WP and reverse in DH?

2. I am having a heck of a time finding bottled oxygen (I usually use the red bernzomatic cannisters). Every place I go has an empty shelf. Is this a supply chain thing?

 

[beervoid]

I just finished A'B'ing 2 batches of Cosmic Punch vs verdant, there was practically no difference. Was pretty dissappointed.
Will be A'B'ing a similar batch soon which got a mash hopping added but I don't think this yeast is much fun in a NEIPA without perhaps the phantasm powder which is impossible to find.

 

[wepeeler]

I just finished A'B'ing 2 batches of Cosmic Punch vs verdant, there was practically no difference. Was pretty dissappointed.
Will be A'B'ing a similar batch soon which got a mash hopping added but I don't think this yeast is much fun in a NEIPA without perhaps the phantasm powder which is impossible to find.

Bummer. I was shocked at how different yeast strains can be. I did a split batch of Coastal Haze and London Fog, with literally everything else the same, and they were 2 different beers. Different hue, different aroma, different flavor. Both very good

 

[Dwaynehaze]

I just finished A'B'ing 2 batches of Cosmic Punch vs verdant, there was practically no difference. Was pretty dissappointed.
Will be A'B'ing a similar batch soon which got a mash hopping added but I don't think this yeast is much fun in a NEIPA without perhaps the phantasm powder which is impossible to find.

oh nice! I look forward to what you think with a mash hop added

 

[beervoid]

oh nice! I look forward to what you think with a mash hop added

From first sample tasting after crashing I smelled and tasted the mash hop vs the non mash hop cosmic and also the verdant, couldn't detect a huge difference. At first I thought it was a bit brighter and was hoping with age the non mash hop one which I kegged first would develop in the keg but nothing changed so I dont have high hopes for the mash hopped version.

 

[LumberZach]

Just kegged this tonight. Jumped on the Spelt and Cosmic Punch wagon. Dry hopped with Citra with a tad of Idaho 7. Zero green bitterness. Finished at 1.016 from an OG of 1.068, so 75% attenuation. Straight citrus and tropical aroma and flavor. Can't wait to get this one carbed up.

 

[Fergal]

Interesting topic re. early vs late picked hops. A good Australian IPA brewery have just released two identical beers with the only difference being early vs late hop harvest. Keen to give it a shot this weekend.

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For those interested I finally tasted these beers last weekend. Huge differences between the two. I'm not great at explaining aromas but one thing that was very clear is that the early picked hops had that distinct fuel / diesel thing you get with NZ hops while the late had none. My wife even picked up on it with no prompts.

 

[Dgallo]

Latest beer got tapped this week and it might be the best beer I’ve brewed to date. It’s my largest dryhop amount so far, came out to right around 5 lbs/bbl, utilizing Cashmere LUPOMAX, Galaxy, and Strata. I got intense aroma and flavors of Creamy peach, Lime, and Orange. I’m surprised that I didn’t get much dankness from the strata because out of the bag that was a heavy note. The mouthfeel is spectacular. That perfect creamy/silkiness that is pillow soft, with just enough dryness in the finish to clean up and get you ready for the next sip. I’ll be running this recipe for a while with some of my favorite combos moving forward.

Grains:
62.5 % - 2row
25 % - Spelt malt
12.5 % - Malted Oats

Yeast:
Imperial a24 - Dryhop

Hops:
- 0.5 oz magnum @ 60
- 1.0 oz Galaxy @ 10
- 1.0 oz Strata @ 10

Whirlpool @ 160 for 30 mins
3:1 ratio
Strata/Galaxy

Dryhop
1.5:1:1 ratio
Cashmere LUPOMAX/Galaxy/Strata

Og - 1.078
Fg - 1.016
Abv: 8.1%

 

[beervoid]

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Latest beer got tapped this week and it might be the best beer I’ve brewed to date. It’s my largest dryhop amount so far, came out to right around 5 lbs/bbl, utilizing Cashmere LUPOMAX, Galaxy, and Strata. I got intense aroma and flavors of Creamy peach, Lime, and Orange. I’m surprised that I didn’t get much dankness from the strata because out of the bag that was a heavy note. The mouthfeel is spectacular. That perfect creamy/silkiness that is pillow soft, with just enough dryness in the finish to clean up and get you ready for the next sip. I’ll be running this recipe for a while with some of my favorite combos moving forward.

Grains:
62.5 % - 2row
25 % - Spelt malt
12.5 % - Malted Oats

Yeast:
Imperial a24 - Dryhop

Hops:
- 0.5 oz magnum @ 60
- 1.0 oz Galaxy @ 10
- 1.0 oz Strata @ 10

Whirlpool @ 160 for 30 mins
3:1 ratio
Strata/Galaxy

Dryhop
1.5:1:1 ratio
Cashmere LUPOMAX/Galaxy/Strata

Og - 1.078
Fg - 1.016
Abv: 8.1%

That's a beauty. When you dry hop at lower temps how long contact time do you aim for and do you do any rousing?

I've going back to dryhop at end of ferment during diacetyl as I felt there not really optimal extraction, it only worked well for me with hops I think where good and fresh to begin with.
Tried swirling the fermenter to get better extraction after transferring off the yeast and after 3 days of contact time the beer was still pretty underwhelming.

 

[Dgallo]

That's a beauty. When you dry hop at lower temps how long contact time do you aim for and do you do any rousing?

I dryhoped at 56*f for 36 hours. I tried to rouse them every 8 or so hours. This is easily my most intense beer. I think it’s actually going to get better when it mellows a touch. I hate to use the term but the flavors are a touch sharp right now. That’s the best way for me to describe it.

 

[aaronm13]

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Latest beer got tapped this week and it might be the best beer I’ve brewed to date. It’s my largest dryhop amount so far, came out to right around 5 lbs/bbl, utilizing Cashmere LUPOMAX, Galaxy, and Strata. I got intense aroma and flavors of Creamy peach, Lime, and Orange. I’m surprised that I didn’t get much dankness from the strata because out of the bag that was a heavy note. The mouthfeel is spectacular. That perfect creamy/silkiness that is pillow soft, with just enough dryness in the finish to clean up and get you ready for the next sip. I’ll be running this recipe for a while with some of my favorite combos moving forward.

Grains:
62.5 % - 2row
25 % - Spelt malt
12.5 % - Malted Oats

Yeast:
Imperial a24 - Dryhop

Hops:
- 0.5 oz magnum @ 60
- 1.0 oz Galaxy @ 10
- 1.0 oz Strata @ 10

Whirlpool @ 160 for 30 mins
3:1 ratio
Strata/Galaxy

Dryhop
1.5:1:1 ratio
Cashmere LUPOMAX/Galaxy/Strata

Og - 1.078
Fg - 1.016
Abv: 8.1%

Looks absolutely incredible. Really need to try and pick up some of the A24. Is your dry hop rate around 15oz in total?

 

[Dgallo]

Looks absolutely incredible. Really need to try and pick up some of the A24. Is your dry hop rate around 15oz in total?

Thanks brother! It was 14 oz. which is about 4 oz more than I’ve done for a double

 

[aaronm13]

Thanks brother! It was 14 oz. which is about 4 oz more than I’ve done for a double

Excellent stuff. You really have that Monkish look down. Do you feel the benefit of the extra 4oz?

 

[Dgallo]

Excellent stuff. You really have that Monkish look down. Do you feel the benefit of the extra 4oz?

I think so. Granted 35% of the hop bill was LUPOMAX, that had something to do with it as well but it’s bright, intense, saturated, and the mouthfeel is literally perfect.

 

[aaronm13]

I think so. Granted 35% of the hop bill was LUPOMAX, that had something to do with it as well but it’s bright, intense, saturated, and the mouthfeel is literally perfect.

It's a nice feeling being so happy about a beer you just brewed. Did you use your usual water profile or is it just the increased amounts of spelt and oats that's made the mouthfeel so good?

I kegged my failed TIPA beer last week and not happy with it at all. Was Citra, Nelson and Idaho 7 and for me the I7 is just not working as it's totally dominating the flavor. Brewed Citra/ Nelson combo 3 times now and I know its awesome, and is always drinkable from day one but not this. I think I'll leave it till next weekend which will be 2 weeks and make a call on it. I've 2 oz of nelson left and a good bit of citra lupomax so think I'll add some to the keg. The spicy Belgian aroma and taste is so off putting, just getting spice, banana and bubble gum off it.

 

[marc1]

It's a nice feeling being so happy about a beer you just brewed. Did you use your usual water profile or is it just the increased amounts of spelt and oats that's made the mouthfeel so good?

I kegged my failed TIPA beer last week and not happy with it at all. Was Citra, Nelson and Idaho 7 and for me the I7 is just not working as it's totally dominating the flavor. Brewed Citra/ Nelson combo 3 times now and I know its awesome, and is always drinkable from day one but not this. I think I'll leave it till next weekend which will be 2 weeks and make a call on it. I've 2 oz of nelson left and a good bit of citra lupomax so think I'll add some to the keg. The spicy Belgian aroma and taste is so off putting, just getting spice, banana and bubble gum off it.

Your I7 smells and tastes like a wild yeast ferment?

 

[beervoid]

It's a nice feeling being so happy about a beer you just brewed. Did you use your usual water profile or is it just the increased amounts of spelt and oats that's made the mouthfeel so good?

I kegged my failed TIPA beer last week and not happy with it at all. Was Citra, Nelson and Idaho 7 and for me the I7 is just not working as it's totally dominating the flavor. Brewed Citra/ Nelson combo 3 times now and I know its awesome, and is always drinkable from day one but not this. I think I'll leave it till next weekend which will be 2 weeks and make a call on it. I've 2 oz of nelson left and a good bit of citra lupomax so think I'll add some to the keg. The spicy Belgian aroma and taste is so off putting, just getting spice, banana and bubble gum off it.

What yeast did you use?

 

[aaronm13]

What yeast did you use?

Used London Fog. The Belgian character is the best way I can describe it. I'm not great with descriptions so could be off the mark.

 

[aaronm13]

Your I7 smells and tastes like a wild yeast ferment?

I'm not getting any aroma from the citra or nelson which is why I'm thinking its the spice/earthiness of the I7 thats just over taking everything else.

 

[marc1]

I'm not getting any aroma from the citra or nelson which is why I'm thinking its the spice/earthiness of the I7 thats just over taking everything else.

I've never heard of a hop giving that wild yeast phenolic. Maybe the batch got some other yeast in there? Or is this something you see often with I7?

 

[aaronm13]

I've never heard of a hop giving that wild yeast phenolic. Maybe the batch got some other yeast in there? Or is this something you see often with I7?

It's not a wild yeast phenolic I'm getting just a Belgian character. As I said I'm not get at describing flavors and aroma so sorry if I gave that impression. It's definitely not a wild off flavor.

 

[BoilerInSoCal]

It's not a wild yeast phenolic I'm getting just a Belgian character. As I said I'm not get at describing flavors and aroma so sorry if I gave that impression. It's definitely not a wild off flavor.

Interesting. My last batch also had this character...hard to describe the taste other than Belgian-y. My wife says the aroma is more like a Wit or Hef. Mine used a combo of Waimea, Motueka and Rakau (Barbarian Gen 3 yeast). I was going for an all Kiwi after my all Aussie (Galaxy, Enigma, Ella) was such a success. I guess these hops do not play nice with each other. Hardly drinkable.

 

[Dwaynehaze]

It's not a wild yeast phenolic I'm getting just a Belgian character. As I said I'm not get at describing flavors and aroma so sorry if I gave that impression. It's definitely not a wild off flavor.

dunno if this helps you but when i was only DHing warmer and during ferm i used to get similar aroma and off flavors

 

[The M]

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Latest beer got tapped this week and it might be the best beer I’ve brewed to date. It’s my largest dryhop amount so far, came out to right around 5 lbs/bbl, utilizing Cashmere LUPOMAX, Galaxy, and Strata. I got intense aroma and flavors of Creamy peach, Lime, and Orange. I’m surprised that I didn’t get much dankness from the strata because out of the bag that was a heavy note. The mouthfeel is spectacular. That perfect creamy/silkiness that is pillow soft, with just enough dryness in the finish to clean up and get you ready for the next sip. I’ll be running this recipe for a while with some of my favorite combos moving forward.

Grains:
62.5 % - 2row
25 % - Spelt malt
12.5 % - Malted Oats

Yeast:
Imperial a24 - Dryhop

Hops:
- 0.5 oz magnum @ 60
- 1.0 oz Galaxy @ 10
- 1.0 oz Strata @ 10

Whirlpool @ 160 for 30 mins
3:1 ratio
Strata/Galaxy

Dryhop
1.5:1:1 ratio
Cashmere LUPOMAX/Galaxy/Strata

Og - 1.078
Fg - 1.016
Abv: 8.1%

That looks awesome man! Question about Cashmere Lupomax. Do you feel that it made an impact to aroma & taste? The reason why I'm asking is that I've used T-90 Cashmere few times and found out that it's easily overpowered by other hops. I've have been thinking about ordering Cashmere Lupomax but I'm not sure if it bring anything new to the table compared to the regular T-90 Cashmere pellets?

 

[aaronm13]

Interesting. My last batch also had this character...hard to describe the taste other than Belgian-y. My wife says the aroma is more like a Wit or Hef. Mine used a combo of Waimea, Motueka and Rakau (Barbarian Gen 3 yeast). I was going for an all Kiwi after my all Aussie (Galaxy, Enigma, Ella) was such a success. I guess these hops do not play nice with each other. Hardly drinkable.

Yes, it's hard to describe and Belgiany is the best way I can describe it too, definitely not a flavor you want in a NEIPA. I'm thinking I should have only used Idaho 7 hot side. I'm still hopeful of salvaging this beer but don't want to be throwing a load more hops at it.

 

[Dgallo]

That looks awesome man! Question about Cashmere Lupomax. Do you feel that it made an impact to aroma & taste? The reason why I'm asking is that I've used T-90 Cashmere few times and found out that it's easily overpowered by other hops. I've have been thinking about ordering Cashmere Lupomax but I'm not sure if it bring anything new to the table compared to the regular T-90 Cashmere pellets?

The cashmere is definitely leading the charge in my beer. I get a lot of peach and lime from it. I think LUPOMAX is a great product. I’ve been happy with all varieties I’ve used so far

 

[TBryerton]

The cashmere is definitely leading the charge in my beer. I get a lot of peach and lime from it. I think LUPOMAX is a great product. I’ve been happy with all varieties I’ve used so far

Good to know. I was considering getting into the LUPO at a small %. I love cashmere, I think it’s a great secondary hop, but was never impressed as the primary. This makes me want to try the LUPO.