New Replacement for March Pump

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Funny as hell Walter your company now has water cooled motors so the voltage can be increased for more hp.
On UPS my dad delivered parcels 32 years USPS.
Fragile meant dropped not tossed that's all.
I contacted Jang Engineering in San Leandro Ca.
they are located 6 miles away, very nice lady on the
phone for ordering replacement March parts. She put
up with my BS plus knows my house personally,
it makes TV news at Christmas. Prost.

Our east coast salesman was at one of our distributors out in NJ i think.....we personaly saw the UPS guy THROW to package out the door of the moving truck at the base of their feet and never slowed down!!!
We have had the UPS guy here once drop off packages on the dock and leave....we checked the tracking numbers and they were signed for by our shipping manager....problem is he was off that whole week!!!

-Walter

 

[truckmann]

That's why I have started using Fedex for shipping things. So far I've had much better luck sending and receiving things in good condition from them.

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

FedEx is only slightly better but they are a little more expensive. And when you ship hundreds of packages daily it adds up fast. Funny thing is during the height of the UPS breakage spree we went to UPS for help to resolve the issues. They came over and looked at everything we ship and then recomended a special expanding foam packaging machine....cost us $30k each and we bought two of them. They guarantee that our product will be ok from a 15' drop......we STILL get damaged stuff come back...but now UPS has no way to reject our claims!

-Wally

 

[Hermit]

Our east coast salesman was at one of our distributors out in NJ i think.....we personaly saw the UPS guy THROW to package out the door of the moving truck at the base of their feet and never slowed down!!!
We have had the UPS guy here once drop off packages on the dock and leave....we checked the tracking numbers and they were signed for by our shipping manager....problem is he was off that whole week!!!

-Walter

Did a call ahead on a service call but the customers line was busy. I had the dispatcher check to see if the UPS package had been delivered yet. Yep. 2 hours previous. I get to customers home and guess what? He did arrive as I was about to leave though, but had clearly marked he had delivered the package a few hours earlier than he had.

 

[BrewBeemer]

Are the March pumps packed as nice as the pictures of Chugger pumps, two piece styrofoam tightly fitted in a box? I find this well protected from the delivery gorillas.
UPS = Utimate Package Stressed.

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Are the March pumps packed as nice as the pictures of Chugger pumps, two piece styrofoam tightly fitted in a box? I find this well protected from the delivery gorillas.
UPS = Utimate Package Stressed.

No, ours are placed in a box with two bags of expanding foam placed on each side of the pump. The foam encapsulates the pump and motor entirely and fills all voids. The pump will not move at all. I've only had about 10, 809 pumps come back so far in the last 5yrs that were actually damaged due to shipping brutality....and they looked to have been run over by the trucks! Other then that the worst thing to happen to the pump assembly's is if they get a hard enough jolt it may shift the motor bracket and the drive magnet will rub on the rear housing...maybe even bind up. Other then that they make it through every time. The bigger pumps that start weighing in at 30lbs+ those are the ones that seem to have the most problems....we even bolt them onto plywood sheets with the expanding foam and they still manage to break them!!

-Walter

 

[samc]

Well to make everyone feel good, my Airedale bit the Fedex driver last week. He was wearing a thick coat so no skin was broken, but I am wondering if I will ever get another fedex delivery. Expecting one today, time will tell.

 

[BrewBeemer]

Only those that can break a steel ball get hired.

 

[Flomaster]

I work for HD Supply Waterworks, our March Pump Representative for Arizona is "Phoenix Pumps" now normally we get a pretty good discount from our vendors and I can buy for 5% over my cost, but the March 809 pump was quoted me at $230... EEEEEKKK.... needless to say I am buying chugger pumps with SS heads

-=Jason=-

 

[Randar]

You sure you're quoting the right model? I would venture a guess there is some miscommunication going on there since the base 809HS can be had just about anywhere online for the $130-140 range.

 

[Flomaster]

You sure you're quoting the right model? I would venture a guess there is some miscommunication going on there since the base 809HS can be had just about anywhere online for the $130-140 range.

that was this item right here

0809-0196-0300 (809-PL-HS 115V 50/60Hz) Model
http://www.marchpump.com/documents/hot_wort_pumps.asp#0809-0196-0300 (809-PL-HS 115V 50/60Hz) Modell

part number taken from the march pump website and given to my rep. maybe he fubared and got the wrong model number when he quoted me, I but I figured I should surely be able to purchase cheaper than the brewing stores. when I told him they are selling online for $150 he said that was much cheaper then they were buying them for and now way he could price match.

-=Jason=-

 

[Randar]

yeah, he had to have messed it up somehow...

 

[Hermit]

that was this item right here

0809-0196-0300 (809-PL-HS 115V 50/60Hz) Model
http://www.marchpump.com/documents/hot_wort_pumps.asp#0809-0196-0300 (809-PL-HS 115V 50/60Hz) Modell

part number taken from the march pump website and given to my rep. maybe he fubared and got the wrong model number when he quoted me, I but I figured I should surely be able to purchase cheaper than the brewing stores. when I told him they are selling online for $150 he said that was much cheaper then they were buying them for and now way he could price match.

-=Jason=-

Tell him that makes you think you will have to start looking for other suppliers if they don't have the buying power to meet guys selling a couple dozen a year.

 

[truckmann]

Maybe he quoted one with the stainless head. The 809 with the stainless head is $395 from Morebeer. They are really proud of that stainless head.

 

[MonkeyWrench]

My guy must be getting pricing at the same place. I was quoted nearly the same at my local industrial supply where we get wholesale.

I was quoted close to $300 for a Little Giant 3MD when they were selling under $140 on ebay from the same place.

I just don't think these brick and mortar stores can compete with e-commerce on these.

 

[BrewBeemer]

March 809 pump was quoted me at $230... EEEEEKKK.... needless to say I am buying chugger pumps with SS heads
-=Jason=-

I'm not that rich to just buy without shopping around even with the same item.
Looks like you can buy two Chuggers with cash left over $$$ plus you'll have SS headed pumps, no plastic to break or threads ripped up.

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

I work for HD Supply Waterworks, our March Pump Representative for Arizona is "Phoenix Pumps" now normally we get a pretty good discount from our vendors and I can buy for 5% over my cost, but the March 809 pump was quoted me at $230... EEEEEKKK.... needless to say I am buying chugger pumps with SS heads

-=Jason=-

I assume that they quoted you the Stainless version which has a list price of $423

The 809 PL inline slow speed is listed at $147
809 PL HS is listed at $178

These are our standard pump setups that come with a junction box on the side and no mounting base. You would need to wire in your own cord. You can get a motor with a 3' cord that you still need to add your own plug on to and you can also get one with a mounting base but they are both a little extra $


And the distributors usuallly sell them below the list price. Sometimes its best to shop around and see who can get you the best price.

-Walter

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

that was this item right here

0809-0196-0300 (809-PL-HS 115V 50/60Hz) Model
http://www.marchpump.com/documents/hot_wort_pumps.asp#0809-0196-0300 (809-PL-HS 115V 50/60Hz) Modell

part number taken from the march pump website and given to my rep. maybe he fubared and got the wrong model number when he quoted me, I but I figured I should surely be able to purchase cheaper than the brewing stores. when I told him they are selling online for $150 he said that was much cheaper then they were buying them for and now way he could price match.

-=Jason=-

Strange.....list price on that pump is $187...

-Walter

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

My guy must be getting pricing at the same place. I was quoted nearly the same at my local industrial supply where we get wholesale.

I was quoted close to $300 for a Little Giant 3MD when they were selling under $140 on ebay from the same place.

I just don't think these brick and mortar stores can compete with e-commerce on these.

Our series 3 pump that little giant based theirs off of is listed at $188 for the standard model (AC-3CP-MD). If you want a slightly better ball bearing motor and an impeller thats encapsulated in plastic so it doesnt come in contact with the liquid then go with the BC-3CP-MD which has a list of $290.50

-Walter

 

[Flomaster]

Walter, I read him the part number off your website I don't think your website has the SS head listed. the photo for this part number here 0809-0196-0300 does not have a SS head.

this pump wasn't even in his pricing catalog and he had to call me back with a price.

-=Jason=-

 

[Flomaster]

Strange.....list price on that pump is $187...

-Walter

well I think he quoted me the wrong pump then now way they are marking the price up that much.

I am calling again and they are checking pricing for me. since I now know list is $187.

this pump isn't in their pricing catalog so Elane has to call the factory.

-=Jason=-

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Walter, I read him the part number off your website I don't think your website has the SS head listed. the photo for this part number here 0809-0196-0300 does not have a SS head.

this pump wasn't even in his pricing catalog and he had to call me back with a price.

-=Jason=-

No, i understand...its just strange they gave you such a price when like i stated it has a list price of $187...its our standard 809-PL-HS but this version has a 6' cord with plug on the end and also comes with a mounting base on the motor. Have a look at our distributor list and call a few different ones and see who gives you the best price. Hell you can even call McMaster as they carry our product line and can get any pump you may need as well. They may not have it listed in their system but if you give them that part number they can get it for you i believe.

http://www.marchpump.com/northamerican-distributor-list.htm

-Walter

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Ok guys let me hopefully clear this up a little more as to the pricing Flowmaster got from Phoenix Pumps. I just got through talking with our sales manager and he informs me that the only CID (Chemical Industrial Distributor) we have that sells the beer pumps is Tri-state Pumps in Farmingdale NJ. We do have smaller beer distributors that you can find a list of here: http://www.marchpump.com/wortpump.htm
What likely happened is that since Phoenix Pumps does not normally sell the beer pumps they are probably getting a price from one of the smaller beer guys and marking it up a little for their profits. Either that or they are not meeting the minimum order requirement, since they probably dont sell enough of these to keep any in stock, and not getting a good discount on the pumps/shipping so the price may reflect that.
Hope that clears things up a tad.

-Walter

 

[Flomaster]

Phoenix Pumps just got back to me

1-23 pumps my cost is list $187 because its a "Beer" pump....

it gets good, this "Tri-State pumps" out of Farmington NJ is actually "Chuggerpumps.com"

it looks unless you are a beer distributer retail store or e-commerce you aren't getting a discount from March Pumps


bottom line is price and for $187 I can nearly get two Chuggers. yeah they aren't made in USA but the $87 dollar difference is more than enough to sway me on this one.

-=Jason=-

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Phoenix Pumps just got back to me

1-23 pumps my cost is list $187 because its a "Beer" pump....

it gets good, this "Tri-State pumps" out of Farmington NJ is actually "Chuggerpumps.com"

it looks unless you are a beer distributer retail store or e-commerce you aren't getting a discount from March Pumps


bottom line is price and for $187 I can nearly get two Chuggers. yeah they aren't made in USA but the $87 dollar difference is more than enough to sway me on this one.

-=Jason=-

Yep! Chugger is done by one of our distributors! what-ya-gonna-do!
March does not sell direct...thats why i can only give out the list price on the pumps. Call Morebeer or any of the other distributors on that linki posted above and see if anyone else can get ya a better price then list.

-Walter

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Here ya go, i did a quick search from the list of beer guys we have and Austin Homebrew sells it for $139
http://www.austinhomebrew.com/product_info.php?products_id=10664

-Walter

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Learn to brew out of OK has it for $135.95

http://www.learntobrew.com/store/it...ng_Pump_with_Chord_and_Mounting_Hardware.html

Midwest Supplies out of MN has it for $134.95

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/march-seal-less-pump-high-temperature.html

Just look around and you will find it easily

-Walter

 

[BrewBeemer]

Walter,
how long should it take for a given distributor to order replacement March pump parts? Building up for a large order? The one in my area I ordered two replacement parts 12-9-2010, so far I haven't received a phone call. They did not answer their phone today I called before noon.
Everyone must be on holiday hours or closed my guess?

 

[WalterAtMarchPump]

Walter,
how long should it take for a given distributor to order replacement March pump parts? Building up for a large order? The one in my area I ordered two replacement parts 12-9-2010, so far I haven't received a phone call. They did not answer their phone today I called before noon.
Everyone must be on holiday hours or closed my guess?

Couldn't tell ya how the individual distributors opperate. Some wait till they get a certain $$ amount before placing an order so they can take advantage of shipping discounts. We do however have most every part in stock here at the factory. What parts did you order?
We do occasionaly run out of inventory that we buy from outside sources....like motors or nuts/screws etc because it seems like the lead times keep growing. We buy some ball bearings for a shaded pole motor we build here in-house...the lead time for them has now grown to 57 weeks!!! Alot of company's are not keeping inventory on the shelves anymore and just making parts when an order comes in for them. We on the other hand have a set minimum we like to keep on hand of any given part and place orders when we reach that minimum...but when a lead time grows from what used to be 40 weeks to 57 weeks then there may be a period where we are out of stock...

-Walter

 

[Austinhomebrew]

Learn to brew out of OK has it for $135.95

http://www.learntobrew.com/store/it...ng_Pump_with_Chord_and_Mounting_Hardware.html

Midwest Supplies out of MN has it for $134.95

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/march-seal-less-pump-high-temperature.html

Just look around and you will find it easily

-Walter

Free shipping at Austin Homebrew. At least $10 shipping at Midwest or $8 at Learn to Brew.