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I'm pretty sure I've seen this discussed in the past, but it has been a little while since I read the thread. I believe I made it through the entire length of the thread at the time, but can't remember if this particular idea has been discussed.

I have a 5 gallon batch of Centennial Blonde in my fermenting bucket and would like to do half of it over blueberries for another week. My current line of thinking is to let it ferment for 2 weeks in the bucket and then toss my blueberries into one of my LBKs and fill it almost all the way to the top to eliminate most of the head space and then cover with saran wrap and a rubber band.

I'd like to get some feedback from experienced LBKers. Would the addition of blueberries cause some additional fermentation causing the saran wrap to pop off? Should I try screwing the lid back on in addition to the saran wrap? If I pull from the top of the bucket when transferring to the LBK, would that keep most of the yeast from getting into the LBK and help lessen the potential issue of restarting fermentation? I've never added fruit to any of my previous 5 batches, so I'm not sure what I should expect.

Thanks!!

I've never done what you're describing, but from a practical standpoint, the blueberries have sugar in them that is fermentable. It will ferment no matter what. If you try to transfer less yeast, the year will multiply as necessary and ferment the sugar. If you bottle early, the sugar will ferment in the bottle. Don't try to play tricks. Do the transfer and give enough additional time to finish fermentation.

Along those same lines, skip the saran wrap. Since the sugar in the blueberries will ferment, the extra co2 needs to vent.

I assume that your bottling the rest of the batch when you do the transfer, right? Because you don't want to leave it exposed to air.
 
I make a blueberry Mead and can confirm that blueberries will ferment. This may cause your plastic wrap to pop off. Also notable, plastic wrap is not an oxygen barrier (neither is the LBK actually) so this will only serve to keep infectious organisms out.
 
I've never done what you're describing, but from a practical standpoint, the blueberries have sugar in them that is fermentable. It will ferment no matter what. If you try to transfer less yeast, the year will multiply as necessary and ferment the sugar. If you bottle early, the sugar will ferment in the bottle. Don't try to play tricks. Do the transfer and give enough additional time to finish fermentation.

Along those same lines, skip the saran wrap. Since the sugar in the blueberries will ferment, the extra co2 needs to vent.

I assume that your bottling the rest of the batch when you do the transfer, right? Because you don't want to leave it exposed to air.

Thanks. That's what I was figuring from what I've read. I appreciate the response.

Yes, I plan on bottling the rest of the batch that day.
 
I make a blueberry Mead and can confirm that blueberries will ferment. This may cause your plastic wrap to pop off. Also notable, plastic wrap is not an oxygen barrier (neither is the LBK actually) so this will only serve to keep infectious organisms out.

Thanks. That's good to know about the saran wrap.
 
Hi All,

after a little advice as to whether I ruined my beer!
I started a few months ago with Mr Beer and now have 3 5 Gallon batches under my belt as well as three Mr beers.

I bought an extract/steeping grains kit for an Old Speckled Hen clone (http://www.brewuk.co.uk/beerkits/old-speckled.html), split the batch and used my LBK. The first half of the batch came out fine, but I threw away the instructions accidentally. I brewed the other half on Sunday evening, but only used half a kilo of malt and didn't add any sugar. Fermentation started overnight as I had thick Krausen in the morning.

Did I ruin my beer, or will it just be a little thin/watery?

Here's my ingredients:

14g Challenger Hops
5g Golding Hops
8g Crushed Black Malt
150g Crushed Crystal Malt
500g Light dried malt extract (realised I should have used a kilo)

And the forgotten 200g of sugar!

Thanks in advance!
 
Hi All,

after a little advice as to whether I ruined my beer!
I started a few months ago with Mr Beer and now have 3 5 Gallon batches under my belt as well as three Mr beers.

I bought an extract/steeping grains kit for an Old Speckled Hen clone (http://www.brewuk.co.uk/beerkits/old-speckled.html), split the batch and used my LBK. The first half of the batch came out fine, but I threw away the instructions accidentally. I brewed the other half on Sunday evening, but only used half a kilo of malt and didn't add any sugar. Fermentation started overnight as I had thick Krausen in the morning.

Did I ruin my beer, or will it just be a little thin/watery?

Here's my ingredients:

14g Challenger Hops
5g Golding Hops
8g Crushed Black Malt
150g Crushed Crystal Malt
500g Light dried malt extract (realised I should have used a kilo)

And the forgotten 200g of sugar!

Thanks in advance!

Overall, you will end up with something that looks like what you were trying to brew, it will probably be quite a bit more bitter tasting(depending on hop boil time), and will be a lot thinner and very 'weak' as far as ABV. As to whether that is a 'ruined' batch depends on whether you feel the result is drinkable.

Without a little more info on exact recipe process, like steeping time/boil time and volume used, timing of addition of hops and extract; I can't plug it in to Beersmith very effectively, to give you exact numbers.

It may be possible to add in the extra malt and sugar now, since you just started fermentation; that may help get the ABV up some (not sure how much it would change the body, post-boil. I am not experienced enough to know exactly how well that will work... maybe someone else can give some input??
 
Thanks Mike. Steeped for 30 at 155, bigger hops for one hour and half hour for the smaller amount. 2.25 gals

I did wonder about just dissolving some sugar and dme in a pint or so and adding it in.... Anyone able to advise if this would work or ruin the batch further?

TIA
 
ok, Beersmith gives me this for numbers:

Estimated Original Gravity: 1.020
Est Final Gravity: 1.005
IBU: 43
Color: 10.4 SRM
Estimated ABV: 2.0%

Using a style of English Pale Ale, you are ok on IBU and color, but WAY down on gravity and ABV. Also, I used Crystal 60 malt, since you didn't say which exact one, so the color may be different.
You might check the forums for threads related to adding sugar or extracts to the ferment, in case no one pipes in here. IF I get some time, I will look too, and send you a PM if I find anything.
 
Just heat it up to 160-180 and cool it down to 70 or less (whatever your ferment temp is minus a couple of degrees) and pour it in. Maybe shake it to aerate before adding it in. It can be a thick syrup kind of mixture if you want.


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I am pulling my Mr. Beer setup out and going to do a couple of batches, but I need a little help in deciding the 'right' way to go about it.

For the first run, I have:
1 can Bewitched Amber Ale HME
1 'Robust' LME SoftPack
1 pound Briess Traditional Dark DME
Safale US-05 yeast

1/2 oz each Glacier & Liberty pellet hops

This all comes as a 'recipe kit' from Mr. Beer and the instructions basically say to put about 4 cups of water in a pot to boil, remove from heat, add all the ingredients (with the hops in a hopsack), mix well, and then pour into the fermenter with some cold water to make a total of 8 1/2 quarts.

This doesn't seem right to me, since the recipe is supposed to result in a "dark, roasty, and bitter... hop forward IPA"

Shouldn't I need to boil the whole batch (or at least some part of it) with the hops for at least 20-30 minutes to get some of that IPA bitterness?

ok, so I bottled this today. Tasted pretty decent on the gravity sample, so I am looking forward to it getting carb'd up and ready to drink.

I did up each of the hops to an ounce each, total, using 1/2 of the hops at 30 minutes boil and half tossed into the LBK (in a hopsack).

Got 12 full 22 oz bottle out of it plus another that was a couple ounces short.
OG was 1.80 and FG was 1.026 ... I think that will work out to about a 7.2% ABV... I guess the US-05 worked better than the MR. Beer yeast, because they say the beer should be about 5.9%. Oh well, darn... I guess I'll have to 'suffer'
 
small problem, in my haste to try and correct my error, I just dumped DME and sugar in without boiling. Created a load of fizz and spilled over the lid of the LBK.

Hopefully I'll avoid an infection, but if not I guess it's all part of the learning curve - and it's 'only' 2.25 gallons :eek:(
 
small problem, in my haste to try and correct my error, I just dumped DME and sugar in without boiling. Created a load of fizz and spilled over the lid of the LBK.

Hopefully I'll avoid an infection, but if not I guess it's all part of the learning curve - and it's 'only' 2.25 gallons :eek:(

It would have been better if you had brought the DME and sugar to a boil, then let it cool.

Having said that, you're probably ok. DME and sugar are both somewhat hostile to bacteria and fungi because they are so dry. There is a potential for spores to stay viable, but if I were you, I'd let it ferment and just monitor it. If it's infected, the taste will be off (depending on what infected it, it may be ok or downright nasty) and it may ferment more than expected, but nothing that infects the beer can kill you or make you sick (other than if you get sick because it tastes really bad). If it is infected, you'll need to do a very thotough job of cleaning/sanitizing the LBK and you'll want to keep track of which LBK it was because sometimes things can seep into the plastic and infect future batches.
 
My batch (mentioned last in post #5831) has been aging for a week now, time to lock the cellar door and tie myself down, so as not to rush in and grab bottle to chill.... must.... wait...
 
Hi there,

I just ordered a MR Beer kit from amazon, which I intend to eventually use as a fermenter for 2 gallon all grain BIAB batches. However, I do have a couple of questions regarding bottling directly from the spigot. I'm sorry if this has been answered before, but it seems like the kit I ordered has a different spigot from the ones discussed earlier in the thread.

1) Will a bottling wand easily attach to the spigot? I assume I'll have to purchase some tubing to attach the two together. Or do I need to get a proprietary bottle wand?

2) Does beer bottled directly from the spigot turn out alright? Some say it will get oxygenated, but in reality, is this something to be concerned about?

3) Do you need to tilt the fermenter in order to bottle all the good stuff? Or is the spigot at just the right place where you don't need to worry about this? I'd hate pouring half the trub into my last couple beers.

4) Does anyone here batch prime directly in the Mr. Beer fermenter? How has that worked for you, and how do you go about it? I will likely bottle prime, but if this is something that works well I may consider it.

Thanks in advance for your replies!
 
Hi there,

I just ordered a MR Beer kit from amazon, which I intend to eventually use as a fermenter for 2 gallon all grain BIAB batches. However, I do have a couple of questions regarding bottling directly from the spigot. I'm sorry if this has been answered before, but it seems like the kit I ordered has a different spigot from the ones discussed earlier in the thread.

1) Will a bottling wand easily attach to the spigot? I assume I'll have to purchase some tubing to attach the two together. Or do I need to get a proprietary bottle wand?
The newer spigots need a short piece of food grade tubing to attach a wand.

2) Does beer bottled directly from the spigot turn out alright? Some say it will get oxygenated, but in reality, is this something to be concerned about?
If you use the bottling wand, there's no need to worry about oxygenating. You can minimize oxygen without the wand, but you may get some oxygen if you do it this way.

3) Do you need to tilt the fermenter in order to bottle all the good stuff? Or is the spigot at just the right place where you don't need to worry about this? I'd hate pouring half the trub into my last couple beers.
I don't use the LBK much anymore, but when I did, I'd prop the front up so the trub would settle to the back.

4) Does anyone here batch prime directly in the Mr. Beer fermenter? How has that worked for you, and how do you go about it? I will likely bottle prime, but if this is something that works well I may consider it.

I wouldn't recommend that. You won't be able to mix teh sugar without stirring up the trub. If you want to batch prime, use a separate container (a second LBK or a Slimline).
 
Hi there,

I just ordered a MR Beer kit from amazon, which I intend to eventually use as a fermenter for 2 gallon all grain BIAB batches. However, I do have a couple of questions regarding bottling directly from the spigot. I'm sorry if this has been answered before, but it seems like the kit I ordered has a different spigot from the ones discussed earlier in the thread.

1) Will a bottling wand easily attach to the spigot? I assume I'll have to purchase some tubing to attach the two together. Or do I need to get a proprietary bottle wand?

2) Does beer bottled directly from the spigot turn out alright? Some say it will get oxygenated, but in reality, is this something to be concerned about?

3) Do you need to tilt the fermenter in order to bottle all the good stuff? Or is the spigot at just the right place where you don't need to worry about this? I'd hate pouring half the trub into my last couple beers.

4) Does anyone here batch prime directly in the Mr. Beer fermenter? How has that worked for you, and how do you go about it? I will likely bottle prime, but if this is something that works well I may consider it.

Thanks in advance for your replies!

1) it probably will but you will have to much trub in my experience.
2) see number 1

3) I cold crash it with ice packs in a cooler before racking to my bottling bucket. Fermenting on a light tilt may allow for bottling from the fermenter.

4) I prime the whole batch in my bottling bucket. I wouldn't prime each bottle unless you are using conditioning tablets. It's too unpredictable.
 
My batch (mentioned last in post #5831) has been aging for a week now, time to lock the cellar door and tie myself down, so as not to rush in and grab bottle to chill.... must.... wait...

Ok, after some chatting back and forth with a couple other people, decided to go ahead and chill this batch...

First sampling is being done now, after about 30 hours chill-time...

Head formation was nice, smooth creamy head, but not much retention; also, no lacing on the glass as I drink it down... guess I need to work on the steep to help there, maybe some carapils?

Very nice chocolate/roasty aromas.
The beer seems just a tad over-carb'ed but not much. There is a bit less hop aroma than I would like, though the bitterness is there, and it has a nice mouth-feel midway between a black lager/IPA and a stout maybe?

definiltely happy how this turned out.:mug:
 
Has anyone ever made the Blackperry Trio Mr. Beer recipe? I've been searching everywhere for some reviews or tips but haven't found any. I've made a few other mr beer kits that have been terrible so was about to make the jump to real equipment and better kit when I realized I had got the stuff for this a few months back.

Anyone know if it comes out well?

Should I buy a different yeast than what mr beer provides?

They give a big temp range to ferment at. Anyone have an idea of what temperature I could shoot for?

I'm sick of making bad mr beer and then not wanting to homebrew for a few month so any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks
 
Has anyone ever made the Blackperry Trio Mr. Beer recipe? I've been searching everywhere for some reviews or tips but haven't found any. I've made a few other mr beer kits that have been terrible so was about to make the jump to real equipment and better kit when I realized I had got the stuff for this a few months back.

Anyone know if it comes out well?

Should I buy a different yeast than what mr beer provides?

They give a big temp range to ferment at. Anyone have an idea of what temperature I could shoot for?

I'm sick of making bad mr beer and then not wanting to homebrew for a few month so any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks

I haven't made that recipe, but I can tell you that simply switching from Mr Beer to "real equipment and a better kit" is not going to fix things. Mr Beer makes high quality extract kits and you can definitely make good beer with the LBK. I still use it for brewing small batches occasionally.

The first time I went to my LHBS, I was a little nervous about telling them I used Mr Beer, but thought I should in order to get the best advice. The guy helping me shrugged and said, "you can do anything in a Mr Beer fermenter that I can do with my fermenter except make 5 gallons at a time."

If you're making bad beer, you should step back and figure out why before going any further.

I haven't used the new yeast, but I suspect it's the regular Cooper's ale yeast, which is an ok yeast that is pretty forgiving of a wide variety of temperatures (probably why they use it). The old yeast was ok, but the packages were too small. I like to use US-05 or Nottingham for most beers. I've recently tried some of the Mangrove Jack yeasts (M10 and M44, I think) and they seem to do a good job, also, although M10 seems to need to warm up for the finish.

What are your brewing processes? When you say it turns out bad, how is it bad? What kind of flavors are you getting that you don't like? The more details you give, the better we can help.

A few things come to mind as likely suspects. Are they still saying to ferment for a week, carb for a week and refrigerate overnight? If so, that's probably a big part of your problem. You should ferment for two to three weeks, bottle and let them sit at room temperature for a month. Then refrigerate for at least a week (two weeks would be better).

Temperatures are also pretty important. Do you have one of the stick-on thermometers that show actual temperatures (not the ones that show too hot, too cold, good or whatever, but one that shows the temperature in degrees)? If not, get one. If all else fails, get a fish tank thermometer, but try to get one that goes down to 60F. I think the temperatures that Mr Beer recommends are on the high side. That helps with faster fermentation, but not necessarily with flavor. Also, the fermentation temperature will likely be 5 degrees or more higher than ambient temperature. So if you're fermenting in a room that's 70, your fermentation temperatures are probably exceeding 75, which will lead to off flavors with most yeasts. I like to ferment in the low 60s or even upper 50s with US-05 or Nottingham (that's fermentation temperature, not ambient). In warmer weather, I use yeasts that are more forgiving of higher temperatures (M10 is very forgiving of higher temperatures). You can lower your temperatures without going high tech in a couple of ways. I live in the desert, so a "swamp cooler" is very effective. I set the LBK in an aluminum roasting pan from the dollar store and fill it partly with water. I then drape a towel over the LBK with the ends sitting in the water. The towel wicks water, which then evaporates, providing a cooling effect. This works best in low humidity environments. You can also use a large cooler and add frozen water bottles, swapping them out as needed to keep the temperature where it needs to be.

One thing that can't be stressed enough is sanitation. If you're not getting things clean enough, you're not going to get good beer.

If you're adding simple sugars to the beer to increase the ABV, stop that. Simple sugars ferment almost completely, which thins the beer. They can also lead to more acetaldehyde, which can give a cidery flavor to your beer.

Another thing that may help is proper aeration. In the old instructions, I think they said to stir to mix well. But what you really need to do is whisk the heck out of it to produce a good layer of foam to ensure there is enough oxygen for the yeast to synthesize sterols and unsaturated fatty acids for proper reproduction. I use an electric whisk and keep it going until there is a layer of foam several inches thick (I think when I do a Mr Beer batch, the foam gets almost to the top).

Those are some of the biggest things that can help produce better beer (whether with Mr Beer or other kits).

But please give us more details about how the beers you've made are bad. Just saying they're bad doesn't give us enough information to really help (other than the shotgun approach I took, trying to hit all the bases, but inevitably missing some).
 
I haven't made that recipe, but I can tell you that simply switching from Mr Beer to "real equipment and a better kit" is not going to fix things. Mr Beer makes high quality extract kits and you can definitely make good beer with the LBK. I still use it for brewing small batches occasionally.

The first time I went to my LHBS, I was a little nervous about telling them I used Mr Beer, but thought I should in order to get the best advice. The guy helping me shrugged and said, "you can do anything in a Mr Beer fermenter that I can do with my fermenter except make 5 gallons at a time."

If you're making bad beer, you should step back and figure out why before going any further.

I haven't used the new yeast, but I suspect it's the regular Cooper's ale yeast, which is an ok yeast that is pretty forgiving of a wide variety of temperatures (probably why they use it). The old yeast was ok, but the packages were too small. I like to use US-05 or Nottingham for most beers. I've recently tried some of the Mangrove Jack yeasts (M10 and M44, I think) and they seem to do a good job, also, although M10 seems to need to warm up for the finish.

What are your brewing processes? When you say it turns out bad, how is it bad? What kind of flavors are you getting that you don't like? The more details you give, the better we can help.

A few things come to mind as likely suspects. Are they still saying to ferment for a week, carb for a week and refrigerate overnight? If so, that's probably a big part of your problem. You should ferment for two to three weeks, bottle and let them sit at room temperature for a month. Then refrigerate for at least a week (two weeks would be better).

Temperatures are also pretty important. Do you have one of the stick-on thermometers that show actual temperatures (not the ones that show too hot, too cold, good or whatever, but one that shows the temperature in degrees)? If not, get one. If all else fails, get a fish tank thermometer, but try to get one that goes down to 60F. I think the temperatures that Mr Beer recommends are on the high side. That helps with faster fermentation, but not necessarily with flavor. Also, the fermentation temperature will likely be 5 degrees or more higher than ambient temperature. So if you're fermenting in a room that's 70, your fermentation temperatures are probably exceeding 75, which will lead to off flavors with most yeasts. I like to ferment in the low 60s or even upper 50s with US-05 or Nottingham (that's fermentation temperature, not ambient). In warmer weather, I use yeasts that are more forgiving of higher temperatures (M10 is very forgiving of higher temperatures). You can lower your temperatures without going high tech in a couple of ways. I live in the desert, so a "swamp cooler" is very effective. I set the LBK in an aluminum roasting pan from the dollar store and fill it partly with water. I then drape a towel over the LBK with the ends sitting in the water. The towel wicks water, which then evaporates, providing a cooling effect. This works best in low humidity environments. You can also use a large cooler and add frozen water bottles, swapping them out as needed to keep the temperature where it needs to be.

One thing that can't be stressed enough is sanitation. If you're not getting things clean enough, you're not going to get good beer.

If you're adding simple sugars to the beer to increase the ABV, stop that. Simple sugars ferment almost completely, which thins the beer. They can also lead to more acetaldehyde, which can give a cidery flavor to your beer.

Another thing that may help is proper aeration. In the old instructions, I think they said to stir to mix well. But what you really need to do is whisk the heck out of it to produce a good layer of foam to ensure there is enough oxygen for the yeast to synthesize sterols and unsaturated fatty acids for proper reproduction. I use an electric whisk and keep it going until there is a layer of foam several inches thick (I think when I do a Mr Beer batch, the foam gets almost to the top).

Those are some of the biggest things that can help produce better beer (whether with Mr Beer or other kits).

But please give us more details about how the beers you've made are bad. Just saying they're bad doesn't give us enough information to really help (other than the shotgun approach I took, trying to hit all the bases, but inevitably missing some).

Thanks for the awesome reply. I actually don't need to make anymore than what the LBK makes so maybe I'll stick with it for longer. Basically when I say they were bad I just mean they didn't really have much flavor, tasted like they didn't have much alcohol, and too watery.

When you ask if I'm using simple sugars... Do you mean to bottle? I normally drop the amount mr beer tells you to in the bottles beforehand. Also, should I not use brown sugar like the recipe calls for before fermentation?

I do have the stick on thermometer but it was fairly difficult to keep consistent temps at my old apartment.

You mentioned a couple of other yeasts... Do you suggest getting one or are those just some options if I really wanted to try a different one?

Thanks for the tips
 
Thanks for the awesome reply. I actually don't need to make anymore than what the LBK makes so maybe I'll stick with it for longer. Basically when I say they were bad I just mean they didn't really have much flavor, tasted like they didn't have much alcohol, and too watery.

Ok. From that description, my first piece of advice is one I've given many times. Don't chase alcohol. Chase flavor. You may well find that alcohol follows, but don't focus on that. I don't do kits now, and when I create a recipe, I start with a general idea of what I want, then figure out what ingredients I need to get the flavors I want. Most of my beers end up in the 5-6% ABV range, but some are more like 7-8% and one recent brew was over 10% (but that's where it belonged).

There are a couple of things you can do to improve flavor. The first is to add more malt. You can use LME (does Mr Beer still use the HME/UME terms?) or DME. DME is similar to LME, but stores a little better and takes a little more space. I generally use LME because I get it in bulk from my LHBS for a great price, but if you're buying online, DME will probably cost less because you get more fermentable for less bulk/weight. You can add about 1 pound of DME (or 1.2-1.25 lbs of LME) to a Mr Beer batch to improve the flavor. That will also improve the body and mouthfeel (make it less watery). Since malt includes fermentable and unfermentable sugars, that will also make the final product somewhat sweeter.

If you don't want to make it any sweeter or if you want to add more malt than that, you can do a hop boil. Boil hops in wort that is about 1.040 gravity (about 1 lb of DME in a gallon of water). You get the most bitterness in about an hour. You get the most flavor in about 20 minutes. shorter times give you more aroma. When I brew from scratch, I usually do three hop additions: 1 for 60 minutes, one for 20 minutes and one for 7 minutes. If I'm doing an all extract batch, I'll sometimes take a shortcut and do a 30 minute bitterness/flavor boil and a 15 minute flavor/aroma boil. That takes more hops, but is faster.

Obviously, hops also add flavor (and bitterness). Hops add a different flavor to beer than malt, so it helps to be able to identify what flavors you like.

One thing that can improve an extract batch is to add steeping grains. Get some steeping grains from you LHBS. Something like Carapils will add body and head retention without affecting flavor or color much. Crystal malts will add flavor and body (and may also boost ABV a bit). They will also impact color, depending on which one you choose (the higher the number, the darker the malt). I use C-60 in APAs and I use C-80 in brown ales. These need to be steeped in hot water for a period of time (I can't remember the timing off hand).

Depending on how comfortable you are in trying different techniques, you could also do a partial mash, using a base malt and mashing it for about 60 minutes at around 150F (you can combine a steep and a malt, which is what I do).

When you ask if I'm using simple sugars... Do you mean to bottle? I normally drop the amount mr beer tells you to in the bottles beforehand. Also, should I not use brown sugar like the recipe calls for before fermentation?

The sugar used for priming is a drop in the bucket compared with the total fermentable and unfermentable sugar in the beer. The only reason not to use plain white sugar for priming is if you want to follow the reinheitsgebot purity approach and use malt for priming (completely unnecessary, in my opinion)..

If the recipe calls for brown sugar, go ahead and use it. But be aware that brown sugar will ferment pretty completely and will thin the beer. I think you also mentioned that this uses fruit of some sort. The fruit sugars will also likely be very fermentable, so you'll probably end up with a thin beer.

I think if I were you, I'd go ahead and brew this batch as is, but think about what you want for your next batch.

I do have the stick on thermometer but it was fairly difficult to keep consistent temps at my old apartment.

And what temperatures were you seeing? Temperature control is one of the most important things in brewing good beer. Figure out a way to keep the temperature constant, find that temperature and pick a yeast.

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You mentioned a couple of other yeasts... Do you suggest getting one or are those just some options if I really wanted to try a different one?
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The yeast you use is also an important factor in creating a good beer. My brother never uses dry yeast. I've never used liquid yeast (unless you count harvested yeast as liquid yeast). The yeasts I listed are the ones I like to use. But what you want to do is select a yeast based on what you want out of your beer and based on your fermentation conditions. I ferment in my basement. In the winter, it stays in the mid 50s pretty consistently. So something like Nottingham is a great choice (also good because I like to let the malts and hops determine the flavors and the yeast take a back seat). In summer, I'm too cheap to keep the house cold, so my fermentation temperatures tend to be higher. But I still want the yeast to take a back seat. So I use yeasts that will ferment fairly cleanly at higher temperatures.

If you don't know what you want from the yeast, and/or you don't have good temperature control, you're probably best using a yeast that is "forgiving" of a wide range of temperatures. Some examples are Cooper's ale yeast (probable current Mr Beer yeast), Munton's ale yeast, Fermentis S-33 (probable old Mr Beer yeast), Mangrove Jack M10.

This is starting to sound like a Monty Python skit. The single most important thing is the malt. And the malt/sugar ratio. Bugger. The two most important things are the malt and the malt/sugar ratio. And temperature control. Wait. Let's start over, shall we? Three things that are important, are malt, the malt/sugar ratio and temperature control. And, of course, hops. Oh, God. Among the most important things . . .

And yeast.


Thanks for the tips

Don't give up hope. It sounds like you're ready to take the step of creating your own recipes (with or without steeping/mashing). Do you have a LHBS? Before your next brew, ask for some help coming up with a recipe. You can give a style you're trying to match or a beer that you like and we can try to help. I'm not big on creating clones. My my theory is that if you like X beer, buy X beer, but if that's an example of a style you like, let's try to come up with something in that style. As an example, I like Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. I brew a lot of APAs, and they're SNPA inspired, but I don't really try to clone it (this approach also makes it easier to declare success, because it doesn't have to taste like SNPA, it just has to taste good).
 
Thanks for the awesome reply. I actually don't need to make anymore than what the LBK makes so maybe I'll stick with it for longer. Basically when I say they were bad I just mean they didn't really have much flavor, tasted like they didn't have much alcohol, and too watery.

When you ask if I'm using simple sugars... Do you mean to bottle? I normally drop the amount mr beer tells you to in the bottles beforehand. Also, should I not use brown sugar like the recipe calls for before fermentation?

I do have the stick on thermometer but it was fairly difficult to keep consistent temps at my old apartment.

You mentioned a couple of other yeasts... Do you suggest getting one or are those just some options if I really wanted to try a different one?

Thanks for the tips

I've been brewing on my Mr beer kegs for 6 years now. Haven't made a Mr beer kit for over 5 (okay, I tweaked a couple because I had the extract and didn't want it to go to waste). Great size for experimenting.

You can add simple sugar to boost alcohol without adding residual sugar. High end IPAs are known for this (Pliny and heady both do it IIRC).

A note on brown sugar. Most of what you get in the store is refined white sugar with molasses added back into it.

Temp control is critical to making good beer IMO. I use coolers that the lbk goes in and ice packs (I can even lager like that).

Toss the coopers yeast. Get a yeast that is right fit the style (and better quality). Think of it like cheap whiskey versus premium scotch. There is no contest. I would go with a Belgian yeast for fruit beer. I use white labs liquid yeast wlp410 for a blue moon knock off (actually, it's what blue moon should taste like). It's is more forgiving in the temperature control and phenol production departments than wlp400. The dry yeast belle saison is also a good one.
 
Alright so I just opened up the packaging around the Mr. Beer pear juice bottles and found out two things... good and bad. First, the expiration date on the bottles was a month ago. I searched around and it seems like I should still be ok. Anyone know if this is true? Second, the yeast they gave with the cider is Safale-04. Googled about it and seems like that would be a decent yeast to use with it so maybe I won't have to get a new yeast.
 
Alright so I just opened up the packaging around the Mr. Beer pear juice bottles and found out two things... good and bad. First, the expiration date on the bottles was a month ago. I searched around and it seems like I should still be ok. Anyone know if this is true? Second, the yeast they gave with the cider is Safale-04. Googled about it and seems like that would be a decent yeast to use with it so maybe I won't have to get a new yeast.

I'm not familiar with the juices, but is the date an expiration date or a "best by" date? If it's a "best by" date, I wouldn't worry unless it was more than a year ago. Best by dates are often pretty arbitrary and for most canned and bottled items, they're not very meaningful.

Safale S-04 is a really good yeast. I use US-05 more than S-04, but that's because S-04 is used more for English ales and I brew more American ales. There's no reason to replace that.
 
Alright so I just opened up the packaging around the Mr. Beer pear juice bottles and found out two things... good and bad. First, the expiration date on the bottles was a month ago. I searched around and it seems like I should still be ok. Anyone know if this is true? Second, the yeast they gave with the cider is Safale-04. Googled about it and seems like that would be a decent yeast to use with it so maybe I won't have to get a new yeast.


Some people say S-04 is fruity, so it would blend with the pear. I like how it drops pretty clear, but leaves some sweetness.
 
This is my second time fermenting, ever, It's been about 30 hours of a full 3+pound of coopers dark ale, no sugar added, and used the coopers yeast. I woke the yeast up for 5min before adding to my Mr.Beer keg.

Within 12 hours I had extreme fermentation. My fermenter has the air lock can't in the threads at the top. My countertop was covered in foam and could see/hear the bubbling up until now. 30hours in and all has appeared to slow down.

I have not opened it, and plan to leave it alone until after 2 weeks. Should I be worried? There still appears to be a slight scum/bubbles on top of my liquid in the mr beer keg.

Any replies are greatly appreciated.
 
This is my second time fermenting, ever, It's been about 30 hours of a full 3+pound of coopers dark ale, no sugar added, and used the coopers yeast. I woke the yeast up for 5min before adding to my Mr.Beer keg.

Within 12 hours I had extreme fermentation. My fermenter has the air lock can't in the threads at the top. My countertop was covered in foam and could see/hear the bubbling up until now. 30hours in and all has appeared to slow down.

I have not opened it, and plan to leave it alone until after 2 weeks. Should I be worried? There still appears to be a slight scum/bubbles on top of my liquid in the mr beer keg.

Any replies are greatly appreciated.

I would probably take the lid off and rinse it in sanitizer. I'd also wipe the threads off with a sanitized paper towel.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you say that you woke the yeast up?
 
Poured coopers package of yeast into a sanitized glass measuring cup, with 24°C water. Let it sit for 5min and poured into my 26°C fermenter(containing the wort and water already)

I know it's a love culture, I just gave it a kick start so it wasn't totally shocked entering the wort mixture.

Found the above tips from a number of forum posts.
 
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