well, I put this on keg last night. I really don't get how anyone could call this 'catty' at all. To me, it's like pithy grapefruit-peel with a slight bit of green earthiness - sort of woodsy like moss or fallen leaves. I wouldn't really call it 'pine,' though pine and citrus do have some similarities in my mind, so I could understand how someone might describe it that way. It's not all that different from Cascade, actually, just less sweet, and a little more dank. Other west-coast hops like amarillo and simcoe seem very juicy-fruit to me, sort of a sweet citrus with lots of passionfruit, pineapple and mango, like fruit punch. This one is nothing like that, much more resiny and more like citrus-peel rather than the fruit itself.