Mandarina Bavaria IPA

[hanuswalrus]

Just ordered a 1/2 lb of these hops and looking to use almost the whole thing on a 3 gallon batch. Since the're German hops, I'm looking to do a light-colored IPA with mostly German ingredients. Only done a couple recipes on my own and seeking input before I brew this thing this weekend. Here's my rough draft:

Batch Size : 3 gallon
Pre-boil volume : 4.25 gal
Estimated OG : 1.064
Estimated SRM : Right around 5.2
Assuming 70% brewhouse efficiency

Grain Bill:
5.5 lbs Pilsner
2 lbs Vienna
.25 lbs Carahell
3 oz Acidulated malt

Hop Schedule:
.5 oz Mandarina Bavaria @ 30
1 oz Mandarina Bavaria @ 15
1 oz Mandarina Bavaria @ 10
1 oz Mandarina Bavaria @ 5
1.5 oz Mandarina Bavaria @ 0
2 oz Mandarina Bavaria Dry Hop for 5-7 days

Clean ale yeast. Probably WY1056 (w/ 1.5 - 2 L starter depending on how fresh I can get it)

Planning to mash around 150-151.
90 min boil.

I've had success using this amount of acidulated malt on a previous batch that was similar in color, so I'm looking to repeat that.

May seem like a lot of hops, but I've been disappointed with my last 2 IPA's. I used 4 oz on one and 5 on the next and didn't quite get the hop flavor/aroma I wanted so I've decided to just hop this one to hell and see what happens.

Any suggestions on the grain bill or hop schedule would be greatly appreciated!

 

[juan_bernado]

Use FWH for bittering
Skip the 30 and 15 min addition
Dry Hop with 1/2 oz per gallon for 10-14 days

It is a very subtile hop if you compare it to American flavor hops

 

[hanuswalrus]

Thanks for the input.. I see a lot of people dismissing mid-boil additions. But, in my experience, I've found that they contribute a good amount to hop flavor. For my best IPA I've made so far (best hop flavor I've been able to achieve so far), my biggest addition was at 30 minutes, followed by the hop bursting similar to the above hop schedule.

I like the idea of a FWH though.

 

[C-Rider]

Off the hop topic but I've done a great "German" IPA using just Munich Malt.

 

[hanuswalrus]

Interesting.. I've been considering using Munich instead of Vienna.. but I think I wanna stick with mainly Pilsner for the bulk of the base grain.

By the way, that's actually exactly how I titled this recipe on BeerSmith.. "German" IPA, with the quotation marks

 

[iijakii]

I think it looks fantastic. I'm a big fan of dry IPAs and the pils really does the trick. Those hops sound interesting, never have tried.

 

[C-Rider]

Interesting.. I've been considering using Munich instead of Vienna.. but I think I wanna stick with mainly Pilsner for the bulk of the base grain.

By the way, that's actually exactly how I titled this recipe on BeerSmith.. "German" IPA, with the quotation marks

I llike to take British and American styles and use all German ingredients and make stuff like German IPA, German Imperial Stout, German Dry Stouts.

 

[Temp81]

I did a smash with those hops and it was very good. But I have to agree that they are subtle and don't have a big bittering charge. I really do love these hops though, Just trying to figure out how to pair them with other hops.

 

[jeinnor40]

Hi

I am very interested in this, what temp will you ferment at?

 

[Oginme]

I have two recipes that feature Mandarina Bavaria. In both I use other hops for the bittering charge and then add Mandarina Bavaria at 15 minutes or less in the boil, and more efficiently for flavor whirlpool/steep for 20 minutes after flame out. Great aroma and flavor this way.

 

[hanuswalrus]

LHBS was, surprisingly, out of 1056 so I'm going with US-05 on this one. Same strain so it's all good.

As for fermentation temp, I do not yet have a ferm chamber, but I do have a CoolBrew bag that I load up with frozen water bottles. I'm gonna do my best to keep it down around 64-65 for the first 4-5 days. Then let it go up to 68-70 for a couple weeks after that.

I was considering using Magnum for bittering, but after plugging this into BeerSmith, it's showing close to 70 IBUs. Which is right around where I wanted to be, maybe even a little higher than I want. I'll probably make a couple little tweaks to the hop schedule before brew day, but I'm feeling pretty good about the grain bill.

Just ordered these hops from Yakima Valley on Sunday night and they just came in the mail yesterday.. Yakima has never disappointed me when it comes to timeliness of delivery. I'll be brewing this on Saturday and can't wait to stink up the apartment with hops.

 

[jammin]

I did a MB pale ale and wasn't overly impressed. It tasted good but the MB hops are pretty 1 dimensional. They have an orange flavor - but with no citrus edge. IME, they are best used as a suporting hop or in a style that doesn't need to scream hops

 

[hanuswalrus]

@jammin I now see what you were saying about Mandarina. Bottled this beer about 2 weeks ago, tried a bottle last night and I'd have to say I agree that they are a bit 1 dimensional. Maybe a bad crop, I don't know. Maybe I should have done a bigger whirlpool/hopstand.. The beer turned out good, but for 8 oz in a 3 gallon batch, it did not turn out as hoppy as I had hoped. It's more of a pale ale than an IPA.

 

[C-Rider]

Interesting.. I've been considering using Munich instead of Vienna.. but I think I wanna stick with mainly Pilsner for the bulk of the base grain.

By the way, that's actually exactly how I titled this recipe on BeerSmith.. "German" IPA, with the quotation marks

My father was born in Munich and I call it "Papa's IPA"...with a picture of him on the label from when he was about 20. It's my favorite of all my home brews.

 

[C-Rider]

Gonna brew this up tomorrow. It's an evolving brew....Hope this comes out better than the last version which was GREAT. ONe of the changes is replacing the SafAle K-97 yeast which I can no longer find w/the Munich wheat yeast.

 

[KVANTAN]

I've done a similar ale with a half oz of magnum for bittering and a pound of German crystal 40 to go with the light DME, 5 ga batch. I used 3 oz of Mandarina in the boil and an oz dry hopped. Just bottled this week.

 

[KVANTAN]

I'm actually very interested in finding out what this hop will do paired with Columbus or Galaxy.

 

[hanuswalrus]

Gonna brew this up tomorrow. It's an evolving brew....Hope this comes out better than the last version which was GREAT. ONe of the changes is replacing the SafAle K-97 yeast which I can no longer find w/the Munich wheat yeast.

All Magnum? Hmm.. I've always thought Magnum didn't contribute much to flavor/aroma. What do you get from it as a late addition?

 

[hanuswalrus]

I'm actually very interested in finding out what this hop will do paired with Columbus or Galaxy.

Me too. I kind of regret using my entire 1/2 lb on this batch. I'm guessing Mandarina would go well with just about anything Cascade would go well with as it was bred from Cascade. I was thinking of throwing it in w/ Centennial and/or Simcoe, or maybe Amarillo. Columbus and Galaxy sounds good too.

Not sure how much you would get from the Mandarina when mixing it w/ the stronger hops like Simcoe and Galaxy though, as it really is a subtle hop.

 

[Weezy]

I did a MB pale ale and wasn't overly impressed. It tasted good but the MB hops are pretty 1 dimensional. They have an orange flavor - but with no citrus edge. IME, they are best used as a suporting hop or in a style that doesn't need to scream hops

Late to the party but...
I agree here. You're not using much carahell, but it might fight the hops. I'd recommend Columbus for bittering (at your 30 min, and maybe a pinch at flameout) to give it a nice complement. I did a pale ale with fresh orange zest at flame out; that complemented nice.

Pils+Vienna is nice.

 

[C-Rider]

All Magnum? Hmm.. I've always thought Magnum didn't contribute much to flavor/aroma. What do you get from it as a late addition?

My taste buds are pretty well SHOT after 72 years, LOL

I can tell like-don't like......Hot.......sour.....bitter....chocolate/coffee

Info on Magnum says..."Good aroma and stable spicy flavor". I've done this SMASH before and everyone seems to like it including me. Hope yours is a winner too.