Making Norther Brewers "Off the Topper" Juicy?

[ultravista]

I have brewed Norther Brewers "Off the Topper" Heady Topper clone a few times now and have one kit left in the freezer. This clone has never been 'juicy' to me but a solid hop forward beer. A great brew, but with all of the NEIPA talking happening now, I would like to tweak the recipe to change it up a bit - make a juicy IPA.

Grains & Sugars:
-- 12 lb Fawcett Pearl Malt
-- 12 oz Baird’s Light Carastan Malt
-- 12 oz White Wheat Malt
-- 1 lbs Brun Leger sugar

Hops: Hopshot, Columbus, Simcoe, Amarillo, Centennial, Apollo

How do I make this a juicy IPA? Add to the grain bill, substitute hops (Citra / Mosaic) or?

What would you do?

 

[enkamania]

What's the hop schedule? They should have you doing a lot of whirlpooling

 

[nikvolkert]

Are you using the Vermont Ale Yeast or US-05? I see those are their options, and wonder that they might provide rather different flavors?

 

[mrdauber64]

From what I've read, and heard on various podcasts, the key to making a "juicy" NEIPA is to add a portion the dry hops during active fermentation. I guess they call it Biotransformation. Brulosphy has been playing with the NEIPA's. Here is the latest experiment they did where they tested biotransformation: http://brulosophy.com/2017/01/23/biotransformation-vs-standard-dry-hop-exbeeriment-results/

 

[ultravista]

Using the Vermont ale strain ...

Here is the hop schedule:

10.00 ML Hop Shot [3.35 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 92.9 IBUs
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2.00 oz Simply Select Hop Blend [6.60 %] - Steep Hop 7 9.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Amarillo [8.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 0.0 Hop 8 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.40 %] - Steep/Wh Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.40 %] - Steep/Wh Hop 10 9.2 IBUs
1.00 oz Simply Select Hop Blend [6.60 %] - Steep Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Apollo [17.70 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 0.0 Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Apollo [17.70 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 15.0 Hop 13 6.1 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 0 Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
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1.00 oz Simply Select Hop Blend [6.60 %] - Dry H Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Amarillo [8.20 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 18 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.40 %] - Dry Hop Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Apollo [17.70 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
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1.00 oz Simply Select Hop Blend [6.60 %] - Dry H Hop 21 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Amarillo [8.40 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 22 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Centennial [8.70 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 23 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.40 %] - Dry Hop Hop 24 0.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Apollo [17.70 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 25 0.0 IBUs

 

[enkamania]

Columbus seems weird for the late additions, but then again, I've never tried them that late.