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Airborneguy said:
Possible plan change (of course). What does everyone think of the 3000GT VR4? I found one for $1500 that is in almost perfect condition but needs an engine. I'm thinking total cost $8500 or so when all is sai and done. Remember, I have a pro mechanic on staff. ;)

A friend of mine had one. The popped engine seems to be a trend on these.
 
They're basically the same car, but this is the Mitsubishi version. The engines seem to be interchangeable, which is why they are so easy to find. Found a crated rebuild for $2600 already, with the turbos and the transmission.
 
The vr4's were very prone to spun bearings in the bottom end, especially in cars that were driven hard. They also have transfer case issues. IMO if youre looking into a AWD turbo go with a Subaru WRX, I know they're sedans but they're extremely fun to drive and very reliable as long as you don't turn the turbo boost too high. If you're focusing on RWD coupes you're on track with the G35/37 or 350/370Z. Don't pass up the Scion FRS or Subaru BRZ because lack of HP, they're light and are getting awesome reviews. Personally, I'd stay away from anything Mitsubishi.
 
The BRZ/FR-S really intrigued me, but they run almost as much as the R-Spec 3.8 Genesis without the luxury interiors and way less horsepower. If they were closer to $20k I'd consider them, but everything I can find has them over $25k. At that point, the extra $4-5k for the Genesis is nothing considering everything it has.

Another thing is I see the BRZ/FR-S being serious tuner cars, which is awesome, but since I'm not big into that scene, the Genesis gives me everything I want, stock.
 
The vr4's were very prone to spun bearings in the bottom end, especially in cars that were driven hard. They also have transfer case issues.

At this point, do you think any car still on the road has already worked through those issues? And does the Stealth have the same reputation? They are virtually the same car, but Stealth's seem to be cheaper on the used market.
 
I know you said no euro, but the 335i coupe hits everything else you wanted with many many easy mods out there that will smoke most anything else in the category and does fit as a true luxury sport. I have a 535 putting nearly 500 HP to the rear (mustang Dyno) and it's still a tame cruiser on pump with nearly 30mpg highway depending on what map you're running. The lighter 335 has even more potential. You wouldn't be disappointed and used, is in your price range. Don't cheat yourself, at least take a look....;)
 
Airborneguy said:
I've been reading Hyundai's website for a little bit and I'm really getting close to deciding on the Genesis. The 3.8 R-spec puts out 341hp, it's rear wheel drive, estimated 31 mpg, not much of a sacrifice as far as luxury, and comes in just under $30k. I'm going to test drive one in the next few weeks I think.

I purchased a G37 last year. I compared the Infiniti, Genesis, Lexus, and other similar cars. I found that the Genesis looked really cheap inside and it didn't feel like a luxury sports car relative to other similar vehicles. The G37 had the highest hp, looked, and feels like a true luxury sports car. I'm glad I chose the Infiniti in the end. The mpg on highway is 22-23 and around 18 in the city. The pickup from the start is extremely fast and handles corners like a dream.
 
Something like the VR4 is an entirely different ball of wax. Older cars can be beasts. I've personally been astounded by a well-prepped Porsche 914 on a track. A couple grand and a lot of sweat and grease can add up to an attractive machine. But it's not the turn-key solution that a newer car is.

If you really dig performance cars, there's plenty of them out there, with lots of available upgrades, under 3 grand. Miatas, older Mustangs, older Camaros, DSM cars (Laser, Talon, Eclipse), Supras, etc., the list is endless. If you're willing to hack into one, you can produce one heck of a fine and cheap sportscar. If you've got the desire, pick the one that appeals to you and go for it. But that is miles away from the reliable everyday transportation you can have with a relatively new car. They're really different classes of fun. Those are hobby cars, not every day transportation for mature adults who actually need to get places.

And that's not to say it can't be day-in/day-out reliable.. because they can be. But they will always be a bit tempermental and you will always have to be up on the maintenance. They aren't "turn the key and forget about it" types of machines. So if you're going to go that route, love the car you choose and make it a part of the family. Drop the 3 grand, in the car that's worth $2500 from time to time.. because you love the car and it's an extension of you, and it serves you well (if you take care of it, it will!!!). Ultimately, all cars cost money. There's no free lunch. Over the extended life of your car, eventually that $3,000 car will cost you about as much in service to keep it running as the $30,000 car. It's not savings... you keep it because you like it.. and because all cars cost money. Find the keeper... The one that speaks to you. Or else just buy something newer and somewhat disposable.

In that range of economical enthusiast cars, I'm actually a fan of Corvettes. 20 grand buys a nice used Vette. Used as a daily driver, the big honkin' V-8 engine lasts forever, it also keeps its collectible value on the used market quite well, it is an impressive performer, And the aftermarket for them is huge. Insomuch as an car could be considered an investment, vettes are good ones. Kept in good condition, they don't lose their value much below $20K. They are good performers, great lookers, they are reliable, and people know a lot about maintaining them and keeping them in good shape. But on the down side, once you drop $20K on a vette, you may still need another daily vehicle for the days when the vette is out of commission... and your budget is now getting tight. It's probably not the car for you, given your stated interest, but I bring it up to give you an idea of what older performance cars (like the VR4) give you, and what they require in return.
 
I have been trying to talk my wife into a Genesis for a while now. My best shot at closing the deal would be to win enough at poker to pay for the whole thing. Then there is essentially no argument.
 
Avoid the 3000 GT VR4 or Stealth R/T. I owned a Stealth R/T twin turbo. It was a money pit! First it spun a main bearing that caused the piston to slap the valves then the piston and valves shattered and the engine was toast. After that repair the output shaft to the transfer case snapped. I replaced it with an aftermarket shaft, it snapped too. The only way was to replace the shaft with a factory was to purchase a new tranny. That was 5k eight years ago. Those transmissions were hard to find then. The motor was 15k... On the bright side, it was the best handling car I ever drove. The AWD and AWS were amazing. I'd recommend a 03 or 04 cobra.
 
Mrkirbcheck said:
Avoid the 3000 GT VR4 or Stealth R/T. I owned a Stealth R/T twin turbo. It was a money pit! First it spun a main bearing that caused the piston to slap the valves then the piston and valves shattered and the engine was toast. After that repair the output shaft to the transfer case snapped. I replaced it with an aftermarket shaft, it snapped too. The only way was to replace the shaft with a factory was to purchase a new tranny. That was 5k eight years ago. Those transmissions were hard to find then. The motor was 15k... On the bright side, it was the best handling car I ever drove. The AWD and AWS were amazing. I'd recommend a 03 or 04 cobra.

+1 on the 3000 and stealth not worth the headache
 
I know you said no euro, but the 335i coupe hits everything else you wanted...

Did some research last night, I'm very intrigued. I'm going to speak to my mother's boyfriend about how he feels regarding BMW's again. The interiors can't be even touched by anything else I can afford, they're just beautiful.
 
Why not European? I have a 2009 BMW 335i coupe. Twin turbo, 300 hp. This car is absolutely amazing. Bought it used for around $35k. It is fast and handles like a dream. I recommend driving one before you write it off...
 
My issue is the reputation they have for being money pits once the warranty ends, but now I'm intrigued since a few people on here have said it's a misconception, at least in regards to BMW. After all I was reading last night, I'm really liking the 335i, awesome looking car and used it is right in my price range while still meeting my other criteria.
 
Yes, join the dark side.

The N54 rocks.
Keep the belt on though. If it shreads pieces will wrap around the crank pulley and destroy the front seal. I just found that out with mine. :( and it requires a special tool to remove the old one.
 
The Genesis is still my #1, and probably what I'll end up with. I'm just hung up on the interior. I feel like I finally deserve that real luxury that only certain brands can provide. But the Genesis is definitely the best value for the horsepower and performance, and the only car of that caliber that I can afford brand new.

My wife is big on having brand new cars and loves leasing. I'm more of a buying person. Even so, she still prefers I buy new than used. I'm saving a ton before I make this move. I'd like to put down as close to $10k as possible.
 
Airborneguy said:
I'm just hung up on the interior.

Why does it matter when you're just going to end up doing this to it? :D

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The Altima Coupe looks good but I don't know that it's necessarily luxury. The G37 or Lexus IS are probably the top two contenders if you'll exclude European cars. If you are reconsidering European cars, BMWs are fine but Audis also hold up well, drive incredibly well and usually have lower insurance costs than BMWs or Mercedes. Audis might be harder to find used reasonably new at low cost but you can probably find some A4s in the same vicinity as a 3 series if you keep your eyes peeled. You might even find some good A6s in your price range, too.
 
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