Love Golf?

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Ugh. Played yesterday on the longer, more difficult course. +40.

I did something I can't remember the last time I've done it on a hole--recorded a 10. BTW that was without any lost balls, penalty strokes, etc.

Dementia runs in my family so par or birdy every hole. It's called plausible deniability

 

[beersk]

Well, winter's over down here in Clearwater - must have been low 80's this afternoon, but dry and felt great. One of the ponds had a half-dozen 3' gator baby's sunbathing.

Birds everywhere - cormorants, ibis, egrets, a bunch of ducks I think. Sometimes you'll see a roseate spoonbill - those are pink and tourists think they must be flamingos haha. There's one hole that has a mated pair of huge Sandhill Cranes that think they own the tee box, they're always there in the evenings when I play. Those are wonderful large birds, and in the spring there's often a baby walking around with them (not this pair though).

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Man, I'm jealous. That looks so nice there. It's about 10F and 3 feet of snow everywhere here in Iowa. Sigh...

 

[beersk]

For me, I want to get the lower body involved. That's where real power in the golf swing comes from. Right now I'm a decently long hitter, but I feel like so much of it is from swinging "hard" to get speed. If I get everything sequenced right where the power comes from the hips, I should be able to be more consistent because I'm relying less on my arm/shoulder/torso strength and more on the hip rotation to generate speed.

But I agree. I need to learn the proper "feel" but if I try to shift too much I get more of a slide.

Hell, I need to see a pro. I'm just trying to wait until I get the vaccine before I embark on a series of golf lessons.

I hear ya. But there's plenty of guys on the tour that have pretty quiet lower bodies and still hit it 300 yards off the tee. It's all about club head speed. Plus...they're pros. Haha. The longest I hit it off the tee is about 260 and I'm OK with that. But I'm 5'8 and 170lbs. Not exactly built for hitting it super far.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

I hear ya. But there's plenty of guys on the tour that have pretty quiet lower bodies and still hit it 300 yards off the tee. It's all about club head speed. Plus...they're pros. Haha. The longest I hit it off the tee is about 260 and I'm OK with that. But I'm 5'8 and 170lbs. Not exactly built for hitting it super far.

Rory is 5'9" and 160#... And he rips it over 300 lol... No quiet lower body for him though.

I'm 6'5" and 260#... I honestly feel like if I can get things put together, I can be in that 300 range. With my old swing and just trying to "swing easy" with the driver because I didn't trust it, I was in the 240-250 range.

 

[applescrap]

This is a reach but you've all got me intrigued with your approaches to grip. Some if you may know this already but in kenjutsu or kendo (any Japanese swordsmanship with two-hand grip. Iaido, the "way of the draw," typically gets there, but starts with an explosive, simultaneous draw-cut with right hand, usually finished with one or more two-handed "finishing strikes" or when encountering multiple armed opponents), the emphasis is a kind of "squeezing" the sword, something like a wet towel, hands "screwing in" towards each other to say it clumsily, base knuckles of both index fingers lining up more or less along the rear of the tsuka or handle, in line with the mune or rear/spine of the blade. The index fingers extend slightly forward, as if "joining" the blade itself. Unlike a chopping instrument, you cut more with the feeling drawing and extending, something like fly-casting - slicing through the arc. The strength is really in your pinkies through your right and middle, with the indexes quite loose, floating almost. Your power is through the left hand and your guidance is through the right. This is all rough approximation.

Any comparisons with any of the grip approaches you're discussing?

This is so good, yes, absolutely. You helped me friend. That Padraig video is excellent and I realized my right hand has worked itself way under. Has since day one. And then I read this, the screwing in of the hands, and the knuckles. Yes, absolutely what I needed, thanks. I swing the club around 105 mph tops and want to get closer to 110 as average so yeah, the hands better be wrenched in.

Btw there is a teacher a pga pro on youtube samurai golf or something like that. He is good and there are lots of comparisons. I welcome any eastern wisdom for sure.

 

[applescrap]

Trying to pku. Love that swing bwar. For power loss it looks like you are hitting from the top, or throwing the club head to put another way. This is the last frontier, the jedi power...lag. I am working on the same.

Welp a Protee fell into my lap used. Still need 1k, yep 1k for tgc 2019. Kinda a pita to set up, but I am on my way. It saved me some money because the sensor mat is the hitting mat. Yes the 500 dollar gives ball speed and club speed and works well.

The next level gives left right spin, skytrak. The next level gives club and ball data. This clever system gives club and ball data on the less expensive, well if 3k is less expensive. It uses high speed cameras and a sensor mat.

For screen I am going to try an archery baffle with a photo backdrop in front. Blackout curtains on the sides. Need to get projector and bar to hang screen then I will be on my way. Having fun playing protee play.

 

[Kee]

I hear ya. But there's plenty of guys on the tour that have pretty quiet lower bodies and still hit it 300 yards off the tee. It's all about club head speed.

I love to watch those guys that hit it a mile without apparent effort. They obviously have exquisite timing/sequencing/synchronization, not to mention near perfect balance. Give me their upper body/lower body synch and I'll figure out the rest!

 

[Kee]

Welp a Protee fell into my lap used. Still need 1k, yep 1k for tgc 2019. Kinda a pita to set up, but I am on my way. It saved me some money because the sensor mat is the hitting mat. Yes the 500 dollar gives ball speed and club speed and works well. View attachment 718124View attachment 718125View attachment 718126View attachment 718127The next level gives left right spin, skytrak. The next level gives club and ball data. This clever system gives club and ball data on the less expensive, well if 3k is less expensive. It uses high speed cameras and a sensor mat.

For screen I am going to try an archery baffle with a photo backdrop in front. Blackout curtains on the sides. Need to get projector and bar to hang screen then I will be on my way. Having fun playing protee play.

Nice!

 

[beersk]

Rory is 5'9" and 160#... And he rips it over 300 lol... No quiet lower body for him though.

I'm 6'5" and 260#... I honestly feel like if I can get things put together, I can be in that 300 range. With my old swing and just trying to "swing easy" with the driver because I didn't trust it, I was in the 240-250 range.

For sure. I know my mechanics aren't perfect. Like Applescrap says, casting it or throwing the clubhead during the downswing loses a lot of power and that's something I've pretty much always done. I think I'm doing it less now with a shorter backswing, which means I have a little more power for less distance traveled for the clubhead. So that's a plus. But I also am not cocking my wrists as much as I used to either. Either way, I'm cool with it. I hit it about as far as I always did, in highschool when I was my best, but straighter and more consistently. That's the key. Technology has come A LONG way since 2002 as well. Holy moly, has it come a long way... back then if you hit it 300 yards you were Superman. Now it's commonplace.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Trying to pku. Love that swing bwar. For power loss it looks like you are hitting from the top, or throwing the club head to put another way. This is the last frontier, the jedi power...lag. I am working on the same.

Welp a Protee fell into my lap used. Still need 1k, yep 1k for tgc 2019. Kinda a pita to set up, but I am on my way. It saved me some money because the sensor mat is the hitting mat. Yes the 500 dollar gives ball speed and club speed and works well. View attachment 718124View attachment 718125View attachment 718126View attachment 718127The next level gives left right spin, skytrak. The next level gives club and ball data. This clever system gives club and ball data on the less expensive, well if 3k is less expensive. It uses high speed cameras and a sensor mat.

For screen I am going to try an archery baffle with a photo backdrop in front. Blackout curtains on the sides. Need to get projector and bar to hang screen then I will be on my way. Having fun playing protee play.

I claim the yellow path!

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

For sure. I know my mechanics aren't perfect. Like Applescrap says, casting it or throwing the clubhead during the downswing loses a lot of power and that's something I've pretty much always done. I think I'm doing it less now with a shorter backswing, which means I have a little more power for less distance traveled for the clubhead. So that's a plus. But I also am not cocking my wrists as much as I used to either. Either way, I'm cool with it. I hit it about as far as I always did, in highschool when I was my best, but straighter and more consistently. That's the key. Technology has come A LONG way since 2002 as well. Holy moly, has it come a long way... back then if you hit it 300 yards you were Superman. Now it's commonplace.

I was custom fit for my clubs at the age of 22, in late 2001. When I get my swing ironed out, I'm going to go get fit again for new sticks.

I am SO excited to see all this technological improvement. Especially with the big dog... There were no 400cc+ drivers around at that time. There were no exotic face metals. The clubs weren't designed in a wind tunnel for aerodynamics that might get that extra 2 mph of clubhead speed.

The truth is that on a perfect swing with a strike perfectly in the middle of the face--distance might not change much at all. But that's not the swing or contact I usually make lol!

 

[beersk]

I was custom fit for my clubs at the age of 22, in late 2001. When I get my swing ironed out, I'm going to go get fit again for new sticks.

I am SO excited to see all this technological improvement. Especially with the big dog... There were no 400cc+ drivers around at that time. There were no exotic face metals. The clubs weren't designed in a wind tunnel for aerodynamics that might get that extra 2 mph of clubhead speed.

The truth is that on a perfect swing with a strike perfectly in the middle of the face--distance might not change much at all. But that's not the swing or contact I usually make lol!

I actually have heard that with the new technology of irons that there is a ton more forgiveness and distance. No doubt on drivers and woods as well. My irons are Titleist DCI981s, good clubs, but I'm betting that newer technology will be really noticeable. I'm looking at getting SIM Max irons or maybe even the newest version (SIM Max 2). Eventually I'll get a new driver and 3 wood. Using a Tour Edge driver my uncle gave me, which is pretty huge and an old Titleist 3 wood from the early 2000's. Those could both totally be updated, but irons are my first priority. I was never fitted for my clubs. Wonder how much of a difference it'd really make...

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

I actually have heard that with the new technology of irons that there is a ton more forgiveness and distance. No doubt on drivers and woods as well. My irons are Titleist DCI981s, good clubs, but I'm betting that newer technology will be really noticeable. I'm looking at getting SIM Max irons or maybe even the newest version (SIM Max 2). Eventually I'll get a new driver and 3 wood. Using a Tour Edge driver my uncle gave me, which is pretty huge and an old Titleist 3 wood from the early 2000's. Those could both totally be updated, but irons are my first priority. I was never fitted for my clubs. Wonder how much of a difference it'd really make...

I learned to hit irons with Tommy Armor blades. They had a great trajectory, especially for Central Texas winds, and figured out how to hit them straight. Well, then I started reading and researching. Ended up with "forgiving" Callaway x-ish(?). No matter what I do, can't get the ball flight down so I keep thinking it's me until I remember back in the days. Also, I still have a steel shafted 5i. Best "feel" club in my bag so just can't see getting rid of it. Been a year since I've been out tho so who knows what swing shows up..

 

[beersk]

I learned to hit irons with Tommy Armor blades. They had a great trajectory, especially for Central Texas winds, and figured out how to hit them straight. Well, then I started reading and researching. Ended up with "forgiving" Callaway x-ish(?). No matter what I do, can't get the ball flight down so I keep thinking it's me until I remember back in the days. Also, I still have a steel shafted 5i. Best "feel" club in my bag so just can't see getting rid of it. Been a year since I've been out tho so who knows what swing shows up..

Oh yeah, that's the other thing...the newer iron technology, at least in the mid line stuff, is suppose to provide a higher ball flight...maybe that's good, maybe it's not. I hadn't thought of the wind factor. I played on a day this last year when it was crazy windy. Man, that was annoying as hell. I kept questioning myself, why the hell am I even out here? This sucks. Same with bike riding. Wind really just ruins a good bike ride.
I generally don't have a problem with getting good height on my irons, so maybe I should rethink what I'm going to upgrade to, or maybe it's not an issue.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

I actually have heard that with the new technology of irons that there is a ton more forgiveness and distance. No doubt on drivers and woods as well. My irons are Titleist DCI981s, good clubs, but I'm betting that newer technology will be really noticeable. I'm looking at getting SIM Max irons or maybe even the newest version (SIM Max 2). Eventually I'll get a new driver and 3 wood. Using a Tour Edge driver my uncle gave me, which is pretty huge and an old Titleist 3 wood from the early 2000's. Those could both totally be updated, but irons are my first priority. I was never fitted for my clubs. Wonder how much of a difference it'd really make...

Bear in mind that one of the debates in golf right now is "jacking lofts" on irons. By reducing the loft relative to the number stamped on the bottom of the club, they can make you think their new irons are longer because you hit a 7 where you used to hit a 6... But the 7 has the same loft as your old 6.

That said I think on mis-hits, that's where the technology actually has some good effect. I think the forgiveness of irons is WAY ahead of where it was when my set was built. Same thing with drivers... Apparently the equipment restrictions have made it such that driver manufacturers simply cannot make a driver "longer" in the sense that shots struck in the center of the face launch faster relative to a given clubhead speed. It's why no driver will give you higher than 1.5 smash factor... So apparently the technical improvements have come from making the clubs more forgiving on off-center hits.

I'm a big proponent of fitting though. Part of that is that with my size, off the rack sets just don't work for me. But we all have different swings, and finding the right shafts for your swing can be very important. It's a lot easier to swing when the clubs feel right for you.

I learned to hit irons with Tommy Armor blades. They had a great trajectory, especially for Central Texas winds, and figured out how to hit them straight. Well, then I started reading and researching. Ended up with "forgiving" Callaway x-ish(?). No matter what I do, can't get the ball flight down so I keep thinking it's me until I remember back in the days. Also, I still have a steel shafted 5i. Best "feel" club in my bag so just can't see getting rid of it. Been a year since I've been out tho so who knows what swing shows up..

Heck, ALL of my clubs are steel shafts... Even my driver!

When I was fit for those clubs 20 years ago, higher weight graphite shafts weren't common--most graphite shafts were intended to reduce weight. I didn't need to shave club weight to get clubhead speed because I was plenty fast--in fact having higher swing weights helped me control my tempo which was a major issue for me back then.

BTW if you're having issues with launch, that very well might not be the clubhead... It might be that you've got the wrong shafts for your swing. Typically the stiffer the shaft, the lower the launch angle, and the more flexible the shaft, the higher the launch angle. Especially if you have a higher speed swing, an off the rack set might have too much flex.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

[QUOTE="bwarbiany, post: 9060391,
BTW if you're having issues with launch, that very well might not be the clubhead... It might be that you've got the wrong shafts for your swing. Typically the stiffer the shaft, the lower the launch angle, and the more flexible the shaft, the higher the launch angle. Especially if you have a higher speed swing, an off the rack set might have too much flex.
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That describes a lot. Totally feel like my swing is very different using the graphite driver then the rest of the set. When I was really into golf, long game was always secondary to short. Truly loved to practice 50yrd, sand, etc. For whatever reason, I got a high off the short game. Story being, driver, woods, irons we're just used to get me in the ball part where the fun begins. Maybe report back after I get some rounds in, hopefully starting late next week according to Accuweather. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

 

[applescrap]

I was custom fit for my clubs at the age of 22, in late 2001. When I get my swing ironed out, I'm going to go get fit again for new sticks.

I am SO excited to see all this technological improvement. Especially with the big dog... There were no 400cc+ drivers around at that time. There were no exotic face metals. The clubs weren't designed in a wind tunnel for aerodynamics that might get that extra 2 mph of clubhead speed.

The truth is that on a perfect swing with a strike perfectly in the middle of the face--distance might not change much at all. But that's not the swing or contact I usually make lol!

My bil just got fit, different shafts etc... on trackman, he went from 265 to 300 on their sim.

 

[Iowa Home Brewer]

Try not to think about your weight shift or your legs at all. Mine are very very quiet. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I'm not at all flexible, so it's a lot of rotation of the upper body and swinging through. If you think too much about weight shift, that can force you to slide or sway, which is what I was doing, causing a shank and a lot of fat shots.

And, yeah, shortening the backswing, especially if you're used to going back to parallel, really feels weird, almost like you're taking a 3/4 swing. But it really does help. Shortens the amount of time that something can go wrong.

And you Golf! We have to hookup.

 

[applescrap]

There is no scoop with this thing. Sheesh the Europeans arent playing. It pretty much has to be hit on the button it feels.

I need a new shaft for my epic and I dont want to get fit, lazy. At some point we can only generate so much speed. my bil is 6'4. I am not flexible, my full turn is awkward because I never really allowed myself one. At 3 quarter i was more accurate and ran with that. Also full wrist. And age. I figure with the proper training etc... I could hit it further again. I saw a video of dechambeau and I guess he just gets after it for hours, full speed.

Those Padraig videos are awesome my right hand is terrible. I cant wait to work on that. And with the samurai action, I am excited to give it a go. Vijay s right hand i have seen releases off the club. Mine feels that way at times in a bad way and Padraigs wry smile about it stung a little. He reminds me of my first guitar teacher. I want to hang out with that guy. I watched the first too. The chipping. I like how he uses the cut of the grass as a line to hit in front of. Makes me want an acustrike type mat.

 

[Iowa Home Brewer]

I jumped into the Taylormade GAPR hybrid 3, 4, and 5. Butter.
Also grabbed the Callaway Rouge Sub Zero Driver. Quite the technology. Never played better golf in my life. Of course thats not saying much.
Shooting low 80s sometimes high 70s.
Iowa sucks. The season is to short.
I'll have to grab some of my picts. I've been on way to many great golf trips.

 

[beersk]

I jumped into the Taylormade GAPR hybrid 3, 4, and 5. Butter.
Also grabbed the Callaway Rouge Sub Zero Driver. Quite the technology. Never played better golf in my life. Of course thats not saying much.
Shooting low 80s sometimes high 70s.
Iowa sucks. The season is to short.
I'll have to grab some of my picts. I've been on way to many great golf trips.

Yeah maybe someday we can meet up and play, then hit a brewery afterward. Once this f*cking pandemic is over. You'll beat me, most likely. I'm probably in the 86-92 range on average. Hoping to drop that by about 5-10 this coming season with lots of practice. I'd say new equipment too, but only a bad musician blames his instrument...

Last year I started going to my local range and practiced every Saturday morning. I'd hit a bucket of balls, sometimes two, then go to the practice green and putt/chip for an hour or 2. It was a wonderful routine I'd settled into. Then the weather turned to sh*t.

 

[Iowa Home Brewer]

Yeah maybe someday we can meet up and play, then hit a brewery afterward. Once this f*cking pandemic is over. You'll beat me, most likely. I'm probably in the 86-92 range on average. Hoping to drop that by about 5-10 this coming season with lots of practice. I'd say new equipment too, but only a bad musician blames his instrument...

Last year I started going to my local range and practiced every Saturday morning. I'd hit a bucket of balls, sometimes two, then go to the practice green and putt/chip for an hour or 2. It was a wonderful routine I'd settled into. Then the weather turned to sh*t.

Let's stay in touch and we'll make it happen. Who cares who wins or looses. It's the most rewarding yet most frustrating game You ,I,or anyone else will perfect. I play a lot at the Amana Golf Course. I'm a gluten for punishment. There, Hunters Ridge and Pleasent Valley. Nice thing about the Amana course is the brewery afterwards!

 

[beersk]

Let's stay in touch and we'll make it happen. Who cares who wins or looses. It's the most rewarding yet most frustrating game You ,I,or anyone else will perfect. I play a lot at the Amana Golf Course. I'm a gluten for punishment. There, Hunters Ridge and Pleasent Valley. Nice thing about the Amana course is the brewery afterwards!

Sounds great. I'd love to hit the brewery afterwards. I've never played Amana before, heard it's tough, lots of trees. I often play at Pleasant Valley because that's where my uncle typically plays since he usually buys some kind of membership each season. But we move around a bit. I don't play super often because weekends are expensive and busy and I don't always get time off during the week. I shoot for a couple times a month if I can. Maybe this year it'll be different. We'll see.

 

[mullet6577]

It currently feels like 1* outside and there's ~5 inches of fluffy snow on the ground. I took a 7 iron out and did some snow-chipping in the backyard until the ball buried enough that I can't find it now.

 

[Kee]

It currently feels like 1* outside and there's ~5 inches of fluffy snow on the ground. I took a 7 iron out and did some snow-chipping in the backyard until the ball buried enough that I can't find it now.

It's nice to know I'm not the only crazy dedicated person on this thread. Yesterday I finished dumping several yards of sand into a raised bed in my backyard, to practice bunker shots. My neighbors think that I'm nuts. I must be slipping, though. I'm going to wait until the snow melts before my next outdoor session. I'm just taking practice swings in my game room for now.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

My son (13) is coming along... Got him his first set of real clubs for Christmas. He'd had junior clubs WAY back when, and did a golf camp several summers ago, but I wasn't playing frequently then and so it didn't go anywhere.

We've been trying to get out to the range every other Sunday (I have him 40%), and apparently his grandpa on his mom's side has been taking him to the range alternate Sundays.

We went to the range yesterday. I've finally gotten him one of the keys in rotating the left shoulder UNDER the chin on the backswing, and it reduced his sway considerably and let him keep his head centered. He's starting to get more consistent contact and get the ball elevated. He also tried his driver for the first time, and hit one that was >100 carry and rolled out to probably 150. Not yet what he's capable of even at his age, but a heck of an improvement from not having swung an adult club until early January.

I'm hoping two weeks from now to take him to the little 1115 yard 9-hole par-29 course for his first actual round of golf. Going to have to give him a crash course in golf etiquette first lol...

 

[passedpawn]

It's nice to know I'm not the only crazy dedicated person on this thread. Yesterday I finished dumping several yards of sand into a raised bed in my backyard, to practice bunker shots. My neighbors think that I'm nuts. I must be slipping, though. I'm going to wait until the snow melts before my next outdoor session. I'm just taking practice swings in my game room for now.

Uh, what? That's nutz dedicated!

 

[passedpawn]

My son (13) is coming along... Got him his first set of real clubs for Christmas. He'd had junior clubs WAY back when, and did a golf camp several summers ago, but I wasn't playing frequently then and so it didn't go anywhere.

We've been trying to get out to the range every other Sunday (I have him 40%), and apparently his grandpa on his mom's side has been taking him to the range alternate Sundays.

We went to the range yesterday. I've finally gotten him one of the keys in rotating the left shoulder UNDER the chin on the backswing, and it reduced his sway considerably and let him keep his head centered. He's starting to get more consistent contact and get the ball elevated. He also tried his driver for the first time, and hit one that was >100 carry and rolled out to probably 150. Not yet what he's capable of even at his age, but a heck of an improvement from not having swung an adult club until early January.

I'm hoping two weeks from now to take him to the little 1115 yard 9-hole par-29 course for his first actual round of golf. Going to have to give him a crash course in golf etiquette first lol...

Both my boys are good golfers. I got them jobs at the local course when they were that age. One of them also worked the driving range. I LOVED trying to hit him while he was out on the range driving the ball combine (that's a LOT harder than it looks haha). They get unlimited free rounds when they work there of course. No carts until they are 16 though.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

Both my boys are good golfers. I got them jobs at the local course when they were that age. One of them also worked the driving range. I LOVED trying to hit him while he was out on the range driving the ball combine (that's a LOT harder than it looks haha). They get unlimited free rounds when they work there of course. No carts until they are 16 though.

I caddied at 13 at pretty swanky golf course. Chicago Golf Club in Wheaton, IL, a Scottish links-style course. Caddies got to play [free] on Mondays. In late summer when the deep rough was up to your knees, you're lucky to find your ball, much less hit it out to the fairway... Only way to get it back to the fairway was to aim 90 degrees to the hole, grab your wedge, and swing as hard as you can so you can hopefully REACH the fairway!

Then the following summers at 14 and 15 I was the starter at a local 9 hole executive course. That was fun as I could play whenever I wanted, so often I'd arrive at 6 AM for a 7 AM shift and I could get around 9 holes as a single before 7.

I tried to research local caddie jobs here for my son for the upcoming summer, thinking maybe California allowed it at 13 like Illinois did... No luck. It'll take another year before he can legally work anywhere in CA (earliest is 14), and caddie jobs aren't available until 18. Grr.

 

[Broothru]

Years ago I was in Scotland on business with a buddy who'd played golf at Stanford when Tom Watson was team captain. My buddy was pretty good. Anyway, he somehow got tee times at the Old Course at St. Andrews, so of course we ditched our obligations for the afternoon to squeeze in a once in a lifetime round. You MUST play with a caddie.

It was a first for me. First true links course and first time with a true caddie. Those guys are UN-caddy. After one or two holes, they know your game better than you do. For my caddie, that was no challenge. I spent the majority of the round "in the heather". He knew a hack in over his head (me) from the outset.

My friend however was in his element, and knew his game. On one hole later in the round he reached his drive and prepared his approach shot. He called for a 6 iron, but his caddie handed him a 4. My friend called him out and firmly requested the 6. The caddie, without saying a word, still proffered the 4. My friend, a bit miffed, demanded the 6, so the caddie silently complied. My buddy hit what looked like a clean shot.... and came up 20 yards short!

Damn caddies.

Brooo Brother