Less Expensive Can Seamer

[Wayne1]

Williams Brewing now offers the Cannular can seamer.

https://www.williamsbrewing.com/Cannular-Canning-Machine-P3361.aspx?afid=14

For $469.00 plus $50.00 for the power supply.

This is quite a bit less than the Oktober SL-1 for $870.00.

16 oz cans and lids are available for $120.00 for 207 cans.

 

[sicktght311]

I'd be extremely interested once someone does a proper review. The Oktober SL-1 is well tested and works great, so i'd love to see some positive reviews behind this before pulling the trigger!

Also, whats the purpose of making a power supply optional if its required for operation? Thats the dumbest thing ever hah

 

[exit8]

Out of stock now but looks like the price went up to $499 for the canner and 69 for the power supply.

 

[MaCheFai]

Got this in last week and canned up a case. Overall, it worked flawlessly out of the box, seems to be solidly built and was super easy to use. Time will tell though.

Process took some getting used to, as seen with all, “how to” canning vids. Took about 6 times to get the hang of the motions. After, it went really smoothly.

 

[Bobbybob]

It is 399 now + cans($100) + power supply(75)

 

[Scturo]

So this only uses 16.9oz cans?

 

[Bobbybob]

It only takes “Can Fresh” cans, which cost 3-4 times what other cans cost. It says in the video that someone could make the does on a lathe.

 

[madscientist451]

Looks pretty cool if you've got an extra $500 laying around.

 

[mongoose33]

It only takes “Can Fresh” cans, which cost 3-4 times what other cans cost. It says in the video that someone could make the does on a lathe.

I'd looked at this, and when I learned it takes proprietary cans, I lost interest. That's why it's cheaper, I'll bet: like giving people the razor for free, and selling the blades.

Currently it's $99 for 207 cans and lids. Flat rate is $6.99 which isn't all that bad for a bulky shipment. That's about 51.6 cents per can, including shipping. That's approaching how much the beer costs!

And you're locked into using their cans, meaning you're subject to price increases w/o any alternative, and availability.

When they get one that can use 12 and 16.9 ounce cans, and from multiple manufacturers, I'll be all over this thing.

 

[madscientist451]

They've got 11.5 oz cans...
https://www.williamsbrewing.com/12-ounce-Black-Aluminum-Cans-Lids-case-of-300-P4763.aspx

Repeat business is the name of the game in retailing, if you come back and order more cans maybe you'll buy something else. Another supplier for the cans might appear eventually, but I doubt it.

 

[mongoose33]

They've got 11.5 oz cans...
https://www.williamsbrewing.com/12-ounce-Black-Aluminum-Cans-Lids-case-of-300-P4763.aspx

Repeat business is the name of the game in retailing, if you come back and order more cans maybe you'll buy something else. Another supplier for the cans might appear eventually, but I doubt it.

Oh, I'm not being critical of their business model. After all, give away the razor, sell the blades. That's what they're doing.

I just don't have to stick my neck through a noose that ties me to a specific supplier that controls not only supply but the price as well.

If you click the link for the 11.5 oz cans, you'll see they're out of stock until August 11. So if you saw that, where else would you go to buy the cans you need right now?

 

[Scturo]

It only takes “Can Fresh” cans, which cost 3-4 times what other cans cost. It says in the video that someone could make the does on a lathe.

I figured there was a catch. Hopefully, this will at least get Oktoberdesign to drop the price on the SL1.

 

[smcinco]

It only takes “Can Fresh” cans, which cost 3-4 times what other cans cost. It says in the video that someone could make the does on a lathe.

Where are you finding cans in case quantities for that? Would be great. Also as long as the top is the same as you said the cam on the bottom could be shimmed for whatever size cans. I have the all American can seamer so I can do other stuff at home (fish etc) but this is a very compelling proposition.

 

[Bobbybob]

I will be getting one and maybe kick the idea to Bobby_M or Jaybird to see if they have a machinist connection to make a cam/plate for this. I don’t have space to store 2500 cans so 100 bucks for cans is a deal.

 

[applescrap]

Williams Brewing now offers the Cannular can seamer.

https://www.williamsbrewing.com/Cannular-Canning-Machine-P3361.aspx?afid=14

For $469.00 plus $50.00 for the power supply.

This is quite a bit less than the Oktober SL-1 for $870.00.

16 oz cans and lids are available for $120.00 for 207 cans.

Good looking out. Do you know if it's possible to hand seal?

 

[Bobbybob]

It is not, though they are hooking up an 18 volt battery and getting 200 ish cans a charge according to some some sources.

 

[kh54s10]

So, $520 plus shipping (I assume) which is still very steep, it uses proprietary cans, and they can't supply the cans now???? I don't think so. And if they don't make a go of it and no one else supplies the cans you have a $500 anchor........

 

[Bobbybob]

I am not trying to convince anyone I am just laying out my logic. It makes sense for me not you and that’s fine. I know I could make a bottom plate with a 3d printer and I could get a top maid by any machinist with a lathe. I am not sure regular cans don’t work on it but they call out can fresh as cans that do work.

 

[MaCheFai]

Although it comes set up to use fresh cans, the bottom chuck is vertically adjustable. So long as the width of the can is the same, you are free to adjust height, as well as the rollers.

As for can prices, my last box of 207 cans I got from morebeer for $85 with free shipping, or 0.42 a can. Regular cans from Oktober would be 0.62 a can shipped to me.

 

[shoengine]

Geez, and I thought paying $400 for a bottler was a lot!

 

[Bobbybob]

Yeah it is but the boss(wife) gave the go ahead. So it is happening.

 

[applescrap]

That's too much work for me kegging, then canning. I think you can prime in can iirc. I cant wait to get one some day.

 

[Bobbybob]

So this came yesterday.

After a couple of test cans I got it adjusted and canning right.

grog tag labels work even better on cans.

 

[MaCheFai]

What size grog tags are those? Was about to order the landscape volo‘s

 

[Bobbybob]

My wife makes them. The winter windfall is a wine label, I don’t know the size. The other is a beer label 4”x3.5” .

 

[Bobbybob]

As far as I can tell the “can fresh” cans are commercial cans. I can’t find a difference even with calipers. Anyone want to send me a couple of cans from a different system to see if they work?

 

[Scturo]

As far as I can tell the “can fresh” cans are commercial cans. I can’t find a difference even with calipers. Anyone want to send me a couple of cans from a different system to see if they work?

That would be great if it worked. You can also just put a store can in there just to see how close it fits.

 

[Bobbybob]

I don’t have any 500ml cans other than “Can Fresh” cans only 12’s left.

 

[MaCheFai]

As far as I can tell the “can fresh” cans are commercial cans. I can’t find a difference even with calipers. Anyone want to send me a couple of cans from a different system to see if they work?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question, but the difference is the hight and volume. 500ml is 16.9oz.

 

[Bobbybob]

Sorry I wasn’t clear. If some one has a different source for cans, I could see if it fits. I don’t have any commercial beers in 16.9 to see if they fit.