Lambic Discussion Thread

[Hookemhops13]

I swear to god you people are just trying to make my head explode (although at least the thing about temperature is true, it's almost certainly irrelevant, but at least it's true!).

Question, I know we have definitively decided that it is better to age regular bottles at a 57 deg angle compensating for seasonal changes in the tide patterns of course however, are Mags better aged upright or on their side?

 

[Gaseous Clay]

Question, I know we have definitively decided that it is better to age regular bottles at a 57 deg angle compensating for seasonal changes in the tide patterns of course however, are Mags better aged upright or on their side?

Suspended in air, cork and cap faced forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling twirling twirling towards freedom.

 

[stupac2]

Suspended in air, cork and cap faced forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling twirling twirling towards freedom.

Goddamnit I was going to make the twirling toward freedom joke!

 

[wolfman1201]

 

[DCLA]

FWIW - we talked to the guy that used to run/own(?) Olbutikken in Copenhagen about Cantillon Blaeber bottles and vintages and he said he felt that the 375ml format bottles aged about 6 months faster than the 750ml format, i.e. if the half bottles were tasting good now, then in about 6 months the 750s would reach a similar point in the flavor profile.

TLDR - Magnum bottles are for hoarders who like to dick swing

 

[lazerviking]

he said he felt

People's perceptions are often just that.

 

[mvl339]

I think the general idea, aside from ullage, is that magnums are a "special" bottling that are harder to ship and order so they wouldn't just use them for any average batch.

 

[stakem1]

Anyone who says Blaeber tastes good cant be trusted...

 

[ac24]

Anyone who says Blaeber tastes good cant be trusted...

I had a 2012 Blaeber not too long ago and I loved it.

 

[stakem1]

I had a 2012 Blaeber not too long ago and I loved it.

 

[wuntrikpony]

I had a 2012 Blaeber not too long ago and I loved it.

Anyone who says Blaeber tastes good cant be trusted...

 

[stakem1]

in b4 lambic police tell me billdoe berries produce a phenolic biproduct during fermentation that can sometimes be associated with the sensory profile of bandaids/plastic/rubber and its not fantome infected but the way god intended. much like the profile that can be found in beers where strawberries/blueberries/huckleberries are added

 

[IndianaJones]

in b4 lambic police tell me billdoe berries produce a phenolic biproduct during fermentation that can sometimes be associated with the sensory profile of bandaids/plastic/rubber and its not fantome infected but the way god intended. much like the profile that can be found in beers where strawberries/blueberries/huckleberries are added

they put bilbo baggins in a lambic?

 

[ac24]

wuntrikpony

who are you?

 

[Saind]

they put bilbo baggins in a lambic?

In the middle of the earth in the land of Pajotten
Lives a brave little hobbit whom we all admire.
With his long wooden barrel,
Fuzzy, woolly pellicles,
He lives in a lambic-bottle and everybody knows him
Bilbo!

 

[matedog]

FWIW - we talked to the guy that used to run/own(?) Olbutikken in Copenhagen about Cantillon Blaeber bottles and vintages and he said he felt that the 375ml format bottles aged about 6 months faster than the 750ml format, i.e. if the half bottles were tasting good now, then in about 6 months the 750s would reach a similar point in the flavor profile.

TLDR - Magnum bottles are for hoarders who like to dick swing

So he basically said 375s have a sixth month head start before 750s start to "age" and then they age at the same rate???

 

[Lamnic]

I swear to god you people are just trying to make my head explode (although at least the thing about temperature is true, it's almost certainly irrelevant, but at least it's true!).

I enjoy lambic
Told big bottle is better
Give me all of them

 

[stupac2]

So he basically said 375s have a sixth month head start before 750s start to "age" and then they age at the same rate???

People aren't very good at thinking about this.

I enjoy lambic
Told big bottle is better
Give me all of them

 

[matedog]

People aren't very good at thinking about this.

But a guy who works at a place that has Blabaer said so!

 

[DCLA]

So he basically said 375s have a sixth month head start before 750s start to "age" and then they age at the same rate???

I was just relaying an opinion from someone who seemed to have experience trying different years and bottle formats of Blaeber, which basically followed up what someone said that a larger format will age longer or take longer to age than a smaller one. Whether that is true or not is based on opinion or science or broscience or some combination but I do know that in wine, the larger format bottles age longer. Not sure why that wouldn't be the case with beer.

 

[wuntrikpony]

opinion or science or broscience

 

[RyanG1]

Can you make it so the stupac2'd is properly stored on its side?

 

[stupac2]

I was just relaying an opinion from someone who seemed to have experience trying different years and bottle formats of Blaeber, which basically followed up what someone said that a larger format will age longer or take longer to age than a smaller one. Whether that is true or not is based on opinion or science or broscience or some combination but I do know that in wine, the larger format bottles age longer. Not sure why that wouldn't be the case with beer.

The answer is largely that, while this is conventional wisdom, none of the rationalizations put forth for it hold up to even casual scrutiny. The problem with received wisdom like this is that it's effectively impossible to overturn: once an idea gets into your head about how something "ought" to be perceived it's really difficult to get rid of (hence the studies where expert wine reviewers describe white wine tinted red with red wine flavor descriptors, despite not actually having any of them). So you can get some pattern by random chance that then gets upheld because your brain "knows" it's true and makes it so (or you just expect it going in, so many people "know" that larger formats age differently that a neutral observer would expect them to confirm it). It's also possible that these things used to be true but with modern storage technologies and QC they're not.

I tend to start from the idea that unless there's a good reason for something to affect how a beer (or wine) ages, it probably doesn't matter. I've never seen any reason for size variations that's even close to good, so it almost certainly doesn't matter.

ETA: What happened to the modified stupac'd image? I wanted to stupac it by saying he should've used a picture of my lambic racks.

 

[wuntrikpony]

Can you make it so the stupac2'd is properly stored on its side?

 

[RyanG1]

mods trophy point plz

 

[wuntrikpony]

mods trophy point plz

ETA: What happened to the modified stupac'd image? I wanted to stupac it by saying he should've used a picture of my lambic racks.

 

[ac24]

The answer is largely that, while this is conventional wisdom, none of the rationalizations put forth for it hold up to even casual scrutiny. The problem with received wisdom like this is that it's effectively impossible to overturn: once an idea gets into your head about how something "ought" to be perceived it's really difficult to get rid of (hence the studies where expert wine reviewers describe white wine tinted red with red wine flavor descriptors, despite not actually having any of them). So you can get some pattern by random chance that then gets upheld because your brain "knows" it's true and makes it so (or you just expect it going in, so many people "know" that larger formats age differently that a neutral observer would expect them to confirm it). It's also possible that these things used to be true but with modern storage technologies and QC they're not.

I tend to start from the idea that unless there's a good reason for something to affect how a beer (or wine) ages, it probably doesn't matter. I've never seen any reason for size variations that's even close to good, so it almost certainly doesn't matter.

ETA: What happened to the modified stupac'd image? I wanted to stupac it by saying he should've used a picture of my lambic racks.

 

[Gaseous Clay]

Stupac feels so strongly about this matter he sleeps standing up. Pretty sure he's oxidized but I havent read enough peer reviewed papers to confirm.

 

[TommyShitt]

People aren't very good at thinking about this.

Haven’t thought about toothpaste for dinner in so long. Thanks.

 

[quirk6]

Haven’t thought about toothpaste for dinner in so long. Thanks.

I stumbled across a Natalie Dee comic the other day that, until that moment, had slipped into the recesses of my mind. I also enjoyed Married to the Sea.