Lalbrew Kveik Voss dry yeast - starter?

[Yesfan]

@Yesfan In my experence Lallermand Dry Voss and Lutra dry are two very different yeasts. I can pitch 5.5g. of Voss in a 90* F, 1.080 SG.wort and in three days it's done. Sprinkled in dry, it starts quick and just goes to work. A couple inches of krausen cap till done.
Lutra, I pitch it at the whole pack (also dry) into the same wort and it takes 5/6 days. Explosive krausen that fills the FV and wants out but it drops back to a couple inches with-in hours, you can actually watch it grow and then shrink. Really kind of wild to see. I would highly recommend a blow-off set up with it to start with. These are 5.25g. batches in a 6g. Fermonster.
Results? If ultimate speed is needed I'd go with Lallermand Voss. It does have a bit of what some might say is the "Kveik twang". I don't find it offensive but something is there. I'm a little disappointed (maybe spoiled) with the speed of the Lutra but it has a cleaner taste and seems to clear quicker with out any work, just setting.
Bottom line for me is I will always have a package of each in the fridge. The Voss will chew through big worts at a slightly lower cost, Lutra will too I think but a bit slower and but with a little more finesse.
YMMV.
Cheers,
Joel B.

Thanks for the valuable info!. Next beer is an IPA (Two Hearted clone). I like hoppy beers and currently don't have any on tap, so...next in line. Would you do Voss with an IPA? Thought about fermenting in the 80s (90s?) since I got a heater for my fermenters. Seems Lutra is better suited for lagers?

I've watched a ton of Kveik videos (mostly David Heath's), so you'd think I'd remember. LOL!

 

[kartracer2]

Would you do Voss with an IPA?

Sorry but I can't help with that at all. I am not a fan of hoppy beers at all so I don't make them. Hopefully someone with that experience will chime in and offer an opinion.
Cheers,
Joel B.

 

[spittybug]

Well, beer is out and in the process of carbonating. Taste very good. It has a hint of bitterness to it on the back end that experience tells me will fade. I only used 2 oz of Columbus for 13.5gal boil volume. It has a grapefruit note to it, so I wonder if that is the Kveik fruitiness that I've heard about? It fermented hot and underpitched, so the conditions were right for such. 1 packet, ~11.5 gal in fermenter, DONE in 48 hrs max, mostly done in 24 hrs. Crazy stuff.

 

[Yesfan]

I'm going to try to squeeze out a batch when I get back from vacation. I have a "clonish" Two-Hearted ale going with US-05. Hoping to do a similar brew (or a SMaSH) with Voss when I get back.

 

[spittybug]

And it tastes great! The Columbus/Kveik combination yields a low level grapefruit/orange taste that goes very well with the Vienna and the lightness of the beer. This one is definitely in the rotation for summer time brewing!

 

[Yesfan]

@spittybug (or anyone) do you think a Vienna/Columbus Smash would do well with Voss? I've got plenty of both ingredients so was wondering. I could throw in some wheat or carapils and/or Munich in the mix. Looking for a good reason to thin out my older inventory.

 

[spittybug]

Personally, I like to use Vienna in a more limited quantities. It needs something very neutral so as to let its flavor shine through, but no need to have it as a SMASH. A little cara to build some body is always good. The Munich might compete with the Vienna. Not sure about wheat. Certainly would add body, but does it make a better beer in this case, I don't know. Vienna is the base for the easy drinking but flavorful Vienna lagers which dominate Mexico. Just like any mass produced beers they have been dumbed down for the masses, but Vienna/2 row or even rice as I did will let it shine. The Columbus gives a citrus hoppiness that apparently is complemented by the Kveik when underpitched and fermented hot. I'm really enjoying the result of this brew...... Full disclosure, I'm becoming more and more of a fan of simple recipes. Base/key malt/body/head and that's about it. Too much tweaking to get a 'bit of this flavor 3/4 the way through the sample' is BS IMHO. Do the basics WELL and that is what makes great beer. Sure, OCCASIONALLY you will get a 6 malt beer that hits the right cord, but most of them are muddy, lost and/or uninspiring. Same with hop combos.

 

[Yesfan]

Personally, I like to use Vienna in a more limited quantities. It needs something very neutral so as to let its flavor shine through, but no need to have it as a SMASH. A little cara to build some body is always good. The Munich might compete with the Vienna. Not sure about wheat. Certainly would add body, but does it make a better beer in this case, I don't know. Vienna is the base for the easy drinking but flavorful Vienna lagers which dominate Mexico. Just like any mass produced beers they have been dumbed down for the masses, but Vienna/2 row or even rice as I did will let it shine. The Columbus gives a citrus hoppiness that apparently is complemented by the Kveik when underpitched and fermented hot. I'm really enjoying the result of this brew...... Full disclosure, I'm becoming more and more of a fan of simple recipes. Base/key malt/body/head and that's about it. Too much tweaking to get a 'bit of this flavor 3/4 the way through the sample' is BS IMHO. Do the basics WELL and that is what makes great beer. Sure, OCCASIONALLY you will get a 6 malt beer that hits the right cord, but most of them are muddy, lost and/or uninspiring. Same with hop combos.

Since I don't have any rice, I may do the 2row/Vienna only combo. I've got some grain I've had a while I'm trying to run out.

 

[Panderson1]

I just ordered 2 packs. I brew 11 gallons and usually around 1.070. Do you guys think 1 pack is good? I know a little under pitched is a good thing. At 1st i was thinking 2 packs

 

[balrog]

I just ordered 2 packs. I brew 11 gallons and usually around 1.070. Do you guys think 1 pack is good? I know a little under pitched is a good thing. At 1st i was thinking 2 packs

For Voss, dry Lallemand, I typically use 1/3 packet, 11/3gm, for a 4.5 gallon batch, to cause the yeast esters from stress. I get the dark tangerine/orange which goes well with Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy combo.

If you're talking Lutra, you likely do not want to promote the esters. Most folks want Lutra to be clean.

[Edit: Lallemand says 2 packs Voss in 11 gal 1.070 (there their pitch calc is here). Therefore to promote esters, then if I were you I would pitch 1 pack or perhaps even less]

{{EDIT:Edit:: "their". Gawd, I'm slipping. Shame on all of you, and you know to whom I'm speaking, for not calling me out on that.}}