Kegco Mill?

[doug293cz]

BTW I see theres a new cmm3 clone available for only $102 shipped now... dont have details on it yet bit a lot of sellers have it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-3-Rolle...086984?hash=item4d5fb39748:g:gc0AAOSwfjhZduCO

Looks like most of the pics in that listing are of a two roller mill. I'd be very hesitant to order from this seller.

Brew on

 

[wilserbrewer]

Haha, I recall that being the case months ago, looked at one pic and thought I saw 3 rollers...lovely listing lol typical

 

[augiedoggy]

That sure is inexpensive lol. I'd have to guess its the same mill as the kegco?

it might be..the limited 3 roller photos appear to show the kegco mill, no idea if it has bushings or bearings though. If it is the same as the kegco it might be why they are hiding it with misleading pictures only showing certain angles... Just like the stout microbrewing stuff Im looking at on alibaba from sungood which is the same manufacturer as stout for those particular products but they cant confirm or advertise that because of the agreement they have with stout to sell the stuff as thier own for much more $$ they wont admit it but probrewer is full of evidence of this and they just told me they cant comment on it because someone will get very upset but I will get the exact same quality product. or the intertap brand faucets which are only $9 now on alibaba but they are no longer allowed to ship to the US after I bought mine because williams and other distributors complained.

basically if they made it obvious its the same product here they would likely get flack from beverage factory and Williams. for undercutting.they also just might not have any actual pictures of the product and are using photod from similiar mills they have or found... wouldnt be the first time and thus sellers feedback shows they do substitute photos so... only way to know would be to buy one I guess since it only costs the return shipping to get a refund.

 

[augiedoggy]

Looks like most of the pics in that listing are of a two roller mill. I'd be very hesitant to order from this seller.

Brew on

Yeh I see the photos with the captions on how to adjust the rollers and the phtotos of the 2 roller mills they also sell as such that they must be using due to the lack of good photos of the newer 3 roller mill or maybe for the reasons above^ actually have some limited photos of the 3 roller mill as well as a parts breakdown clearly stating its has them (assembly required) whereas before it was the title that said 3 roller and all the photos and description said 2 roller.

 

[augiedoggy]

plot thickens... I just noticed that monster mills description is identical to kegcos right down to the SAE 841 oil impregnated bushings... pics are identical only the mm3 has a "monster" sized $400 pricetag... nuts. especially if it really does use the bushings like the barley crusher instead of bearings.
Im gonna buy the ebay one and report back on my findings..

 

[Konadog]

Im gonna buy the ebay one and report back on my findings..

Please do, I'm waiting for a response back from the seller on clarification if it's a 2 or 3 roller design. It looks like they also sell a 2 roller model so I think it's a cut/copy/paste error, and by the typos in the description, I bet English isn't there first language.

 

[augiedoggy]

Please do, I'm waiting for a response back from the seller on clarification if it's a 2 or 3 roller design. It looks like they also sell a 2 roller model so I think it's a cut/copy/paste error, and by the typos in the description, I bet English isn't there first language.

yes that my thoughts exactly especially since the kegco mills are for sale up on aliexpress without the branding but with better pictures to confirm its the same mill there.

 

[wilserbrewer]

Please do, I'm waiting for a response back from the seller on clarification if it's a 2 or 3 roller design. It looks like they also sell a 2 roller model so I think it's a cut/copy/paste error, and by the typos in the description, I bet English isn't there first language.

Haha good luck with a response from the seller....English is not the first language and also I would guess he has zero knowledge of the what he is selling.

The listing is fairly descriptive of a 3 roller mill, and IME eBay is pro buyer if the item is not as described and you would likely win a dispute if your up for the hassle....

My guess is that you will receive the kegco / Chinese 3 roller. I bought one a while back from kegco and they are nice units.

 

[augiedoggy]

Haha good luck with a response from the seller....English is not the first language and also I would guess he has zero knowledge of the what he is selling.

The listing is fairly descriptive of a 3 roller mill, and IME eBay is pro buyer if the item is not as described and you would likely win a dispute if your up for the hassle....

My guess is that you will receive the kegco / Chinese 3 roller. I bought one a while back from kegco and they are nice units.

From reading their feedback I think your right about the language barrier. I went a head and bought it earlier... even if its not as described it will cost me $12 to get a refund... Im still way ahead with the risk from other purchases folks told me were unrealistic like those $16 tri clover based ripple elements im sure you remember..

 

[Konadog]

Haha good luck with a response from the seller....English is not the first language and also I would guess he has zero knowledge of the what he is selling.

Yes, I doubt I will here back, but it was worth a try.

The listing is fairly descriptive of a 3 roller mill, and IME eBay is pro buyer if the item is not as described and you would likely win a dispute if your up for the hassle....

Everything except for this:

2. Powerful: Hevy duty two rollers (love the typos)

Looks like 3 rollers everywhere else.


I do like this line:

3. Adjustable: secondary gap adjustable for the thickness of the powder

Just what we want, powder control! :rockin:

 

[augiedoggy]

I messaged them yesterday afternoon too and never heard back... Decided to buy from a different seller but something makes me think many of the sellers are one in the same... They all ship from "LA" and end up being about the same price..

 

[cyberbackpacker]

auggie, to your original question about how it has held up... I have put countless sacks through mine and it is just like the day I got it, just dustier (and motorized).

 

[augiedoggy]

auggie, to your original question about how it has held up... I have put countless sacks through mine and it is just like the day I got it, just dustier (and motorized).

Thanks, I'm pretty convinced its the same as the two roll version sold as the cereal killer I have now... I ordered it for the nanobrewery and it just left California so will see

 

[limulus]

My Kegco 3-roller is just as good as the day I first used it. See post 54, pg 6.

 

[Konadog]

I messaged them yesterday afternoon too and never heard back... Decided to buy from a different seller but something makes me think many of the sellers are one in the same... They all ship from "LA" and end up being about the same price..

Well, I just heard back from them and it's a 3 roller mill (the eBay one) Looks like they fixed the description but not the pictures.

Response:
sorry for the incovience to you,and it is 3roller mill

This is the one, ot 3 Rollers Malt Barley Mill Crusher With Hopper Homebrew Grain Grinder Tools

 

[augiedoggy]

Well, I just heard back from them and it's a 3 roller mill (the eBay one) Looks like they fixed the description but not the pictures.

Response:
sorry for the incovience to you,and it is 3roller mill

This is the one, ot 3 Rollers Malt Barley Mill Crusher With Hopper Homebrew Grain Grinder Tools

cool Ill expect to get the "kegco" mill thats pictured in the few correct pics then..

 

[augiedoggy]

I have another question... can I flip the drive roller on this? the reason I ask is my gear reduction motor turns the opposite way than this is currently set up for... looks simple enough to flip it around but wondering if anyone has tried.

 

[aeviaanah]

I somewhat remember me wanting to flip drive to opposite end plate. I believe you can't but you should double check

 

[wilserbrewer]

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I can't see a reason why you wouldn't be able to flip the drive roller?

 

[aeviaanah]

Is appears the hole on the drive side is larger

 

[augiedoggy]

Hmm guess I might have to try reverse the motor somehow.... I'll find out soon enough. Mill should be here by the 24th

 

[wilserbrewer]

Is appears the hole on the drive side is larger

Swap the end plates? There are calibration #'s on the outer drive plate, but that's not a big deal....

Maybe I'm missing something idk...

 

[augiedoggy]

Swap the end plates? There are calibration #'s on the outer drive plate, but that's not a big deal....

Maybe I'm missing something idk...

I thought about that oo but the bearing holes appear to be recessed channels for the bearing to fit from one way only so they dont work there way out... this means I likely cant invert them.. well see when mine comes...

BTW The seller I messaged last week finally got back to me asking for pictures of the problem with my item... two separate emails...
It pretty obvious the seller I asked doesnt know english since they completely misunderstood me.... I did purchase from a different seller though.

 

[augiedoggy]

Update.... do not buy the $102 ebay mill. it is not the 3 roller mill in thier pictures but a 3 roll version of the 2 roll mill in thier pics and the quality is very poor... so much so the rollers on the top at one end dont close leaving a 1/16 gap at that end with the cam fully closed and the other end dont even allow me to turn the cam all the way without the rollers closing on each other... They are also at an angle... I will upload photos later. I have requested a return. and the knurling is very low compared to my CK mill which would be the same as the kegco.

There are bearings pressed into the ends of each roller... I know this because the mill came broken and some screws fell out along with a roller in the box!

 

[Konadog]

Dang, sorry to hear that but I guess it was to good to be true. Sounds like it wasn't even worth the $102.

 

[augiedoggy]

Dang, sorry to hear that but I guess it was to good to be true. Sounds like it wasn't even worth the $102.

NOT AT ALL...My CK was $99 shipped and a much better mill

 

[JohnSand]

Thanks for the update.

 

[user 246304]

Hey all. I'm building from scratch and a mill is just one of those components. To be honest for years I worked with the JSP non-adjustable to good effect. But the world moves on, and so will I.

I've been looking at MM's, mostly because they're ubiquitous on this site and I've seen some fantastic builds I'd like to make from. I've never seemed to have the need for 3 rollers (probably due to my going so heavy in British pale), and am looking at the Monster Pro 2, coupled to an AAB 180 HP.

That said, people here seem pretty geeked about the Kegco, even if, as it appears to be, it's a knockoff. Do I have it right, the Kegco has bearings, the MM has bushings? How important is that to people in terms of durability, when powering the mill? Is it as important an issue if one is powering head-on (as in couplers and a motor) v. drawing laterally, as with a pulley system?

I, too, would like to stay in touch with the thread over time. Would love to see about "toughness" under working conditions, and hear any comparative perspectives of MM v. these Kegco users. As I have it set right now, my MM would cost $374....

 

[40oz]

I just picked up a floor model, no box or instructions and pre-assembled. What's a good setting for the gap?

Also, on the gap setting plate, I noticed starting from the bottom it's 0, .032, .063, .032.......Do the setting have to mirror the other? As in if it was set to say .0457.....does that setting have to be above the left .032 on one side then the above the left .032 on the right side or do they need to be on opposites?

This is my first mill.

 

[day_trippr]

Optimal gap depends on the depth of the knurling and the type of grain.
On my 2-roller I use .035 for barley and .030 for wheat.

I wouldn't rely on any mill markings for accurately setting the gap end to end.
If you don't have a feeler gauge set a credit card is ~.035 thick...

Cheers!