I'm Thinking... 09/09/09 Barleywine

[Jamo99]

I think he means a birthday present from someone close to him. Parent or a spouse or a SWMBO perhaps.

Ding ding ding, SWMBO didn't know what she was doing when she started this account! I know it's only $20, but I never want anything come birthday time, so I'm trying to hold off on a membership till then. Obviously sites don't pay for themselves, but non-paying members clicking on ads helps out

Any comments on my yeast question or my PM recipe? I don't think I saw any PM recipes for this brew yet.

P.s. - the little birdy says cheap cheap cheap.

 

[conpewter]

I'm also interested in hearing if we should use something other than American Ale yeast. I am brewing on Sunday and have a starter of American Ale already working, brewing a victory pale ale (10 gallon) in two carboys, one with the 1056 and one with notty. If we don't think the 1056 will attenuate enough I'll end up using the notty cake. Don't want this to turn out too sweet.

 

[korndog]

Anybody spare a .rec file for this beer?

Thanks
KD

 

[Chriso]

After watching my Cry Havoc rip through my Apfelwein, I think I'm using Cry Havoc in mine for sure. @Korndog, I'll upload a 5 gal .bsm or BeerXML or something tonight when I'm back at the control panel. (unless someone beats me to it)

 

[Chriso]

Here's the file!
I already changed the hops to Magnum/Centennial without the Cascade, just a heads up. Most everything else should be VERY close to a scaled recipe.

View attachment 09BW.xml

 

[Liquidicem]

I need a little help coming up with an idea for making my starter. I'd like to just pitch onto a cake from a beer I'll brew in the next 2 weeks. I'd also like to try to use up some of the hops I have in my freezer. I have the following waiting to be used:
2 oz cascade (1 oz reserved for 9/9/9)
4 oz amarillo
4 oz centenial (2 oz reserved for 9/9/9)
16 oz EKG (I would really like to use some of these up)
I'm open to purchasing additional hops but would like to use these as a first choice.

I'd also like to keep it to the 1056 yeast to stick to the recipe. Any ideas?

 

[korndog]

Here's the file!
I already changed the hops to Magnum/Centennial without the Cascade, just a heads up. Most everything else should be VERY close to a scaled recipe.

I have Cascade in stock. Is there a reason other than availability?

KD

 

[CBBaron]

I need a little help coming up with an idea for making my starter. I'd like to just pitch onto a cake from a beer I'll brew in the next 2 weeks. I'd also like to try to use up some of the hops I have in my freezer. I have the following waiting to be used:
2 oz cascade (1 oz reserved for 9/9/9)
4 oz amarillo
4 oz centenial (2 oz reserved for 9/9/9)
16 oz EKG (I would really like to use some of these up)
I'm open to purchasing additional hops but would like to use these as a first choice.

I'd also like to keep it to the 1056 yeast to stick to the recipe. Any ideas?

With your cascade, amarillo and centenial some pale malt and a little crystal you could make a nice Pale Ale that would be great for a starter. Edworts Haus Pale Ale might be a good starting point with 1056 instead of Nottingham and some of those first 3 hops used in place of all cascades.

Another choice would be a nice Scottish Ale using a little bit of the EKG. 1056 works pretty well there also. Jamil's Scottish Ale I used the recipe with crystal at the 80/- level and it turned out great.

Craig

 

[Chriso]

I have Cascade in stock. Is there a reason other than availability?

Nope, just availibility. Again, sorry I didn't have the 100% stock recipe, I had already started tinkering. It should be really close.

I need a little help coming up with an idea for making my starter. (...)
4 oz amarillo
4 oz centenial (2 oz reserved for 9/9/9)
16 oz EKG (I would really like to use some of these up)
I'd also like to keep it to the 1056 yeast to stick to the recipe. Any ideas?

I got two ideas for you. First. Make a simple SMaSH or a ordinary bitter. EASY way to use up some of those EKGs. For the bitter, do 8 lbs of 2-Row, 1 lb of Caramel 40, and about 3 oz of EKGs, 1 @ 60, 1 @ 15, 1 @ 5. For a SMaSH, drop out the 1lb of Caramel, and maybe only do 1/2 oz for the 15 and the 5 minute additions.

Second, do an Amarillo SMaSH. It'll work better with the 1056 yeast cake. RichBrewer and I both brewed one recently. I love mine to bits.

 

[Liquidicem]

That Amarillo SMaSH looks to be the answer I was looking for! I'm going to have to do an EKG IPA or something soon to use some of these up... (if anyone is looking to do a hop swap for some EKG, send me a PM. )

 

[MNBugeater]

Can someone summarize this Barleywine Swap? I've never done an HBT swap before, but I'm in.

Do we brew our own recipe, same recipe, etc?
Do i need to formally signup somewhere?

Or of course, feel free to tell me to read all 11 pages of the swap thread and ill walk away with my tail between my legs.

So, if its informal and someone is tracking this...
Im in. Ill brew a Barleywine on 09-09-08 to swap on 09-09-09

MNBugeater

 

[Displaced MassHole]

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=64150&highlight=9-9-9

 

[Chriso]

You brew (roughly) the same recipe. I say (roughly) because there is no Barleywine Police saying that you have to follow it to a Tee. For example, I don't have Cascade but I have a pound of Centennial, so I'm going to adjust accordingly. I might also play slightly with the grain bill. Nothing drastic, just a couple subtle changes. (Mostly because I don't like raisin-y tastes, I prefer more caramel-y and chocolate-y and bread-y tastes. So I plan to minimize the amount of Caramel 120 I add.) But it'll still be Mostly the Brewpastor Barleywine Experience.

To sign up, send a PM to Biermuncher.

All other pertinent info can be found here: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=64150

That Amarillo SMaSH looks to be the answer I was looking for! (...) (if anyone is looking to do a hop swap for some EKG, send me a PM. )

Amen brother! Mine is flat out delicious. Subtle hints of pineapple and grapefruit, backed by a sweet honey bready backbone. Simple, crisp, and I can put away a half-dozen pints in a night before collapsing on the floor. (I made mine about 5.2% abv, 1.055 OG) And... PM sent.

 

[beerthirty]

I plan on becoming a productive(paying) member of society soon and really want to try this. This would be my first big beer so I know very little about them. after entering the recipe into beersmith, scaling to fit my 15 gallon rig and reading through 433 posts this is what I came up with. Please tell me where I screwed up or what changes need to be made for this to come off right. I'm looking forward to membership, this swap and others in the future.
made a couple mods to recipe
Recipe Specifications
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Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 8.00 gal
Boil Size: 11.38 gal
Estimated OG: 1.119 SG
Estimated Color: 19.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 99.3 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.00 %
Boil Time: 120 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
32.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 82.43 %
2.78 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 7.16 %
1.54 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3.97 %
0.50 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 1.29 %
3.90 oz Magnum [14.00 %] (60 min) Hops 78.8 IBU
2.04 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (25 min) Hops 20.5 IBU
1.39 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.39 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
4.40 oz Oak Chips (Secondary 8.0 days) Misc
2.00 lb Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (1.0 SRM) Sugar 5.15 %
3 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [StartYeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 36.82 lb
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Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
90 min Mash In Add 40.50 qt of water at 169.1 F 154.0 F


Notes:
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use faom control and very large starter(5 gallon). oak to be placed in conditioning keg.

 

[beerthirty]

Is the sugar just tossed in the boil? As for the hops, when originally entered in BS I had like 50 IBU no matter what scale I used. So I just started increasing amounts to get the 99. Does this seem like a lot of hops for this size batch or is it a matter of hi grav wort reducing hop utilization?

 

[EvilTOJ]

yea beerthirty, you just put the sugar in 5 minutes before the boil is done to keep it from carmelizing too much.

 

[beerthirty]

thanks EvilTOJ, Did the rest of it look about right? so many posts of boiling 7-8 gallons off. just dont want to waste the grain by not having enough gravity in the end product. If I boiled past the eight gallons then the IBU would go up, right?

 

[conpewter]

For those waiting to get a membership I'd do it this week as there is a special going on right now from TX to promote the new profiles. It is $19.99 instead of the usual $25

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/payments.php?

 

[beerthirty]

whos waiting? except for a once over on the posted recipe

 

[KingBrianI]

Does anyone else have a problem with the beer going too dark when you "tweak" the recipe? Has anyone been able to add smoked malt without the color going black? I'd like to hear about what, if any, modifications people are doing. Besides of course hop substitutions.

 

[Chriso]

Woot! Beerthirty just turned gold! Congrats man.

If you boil past the 8 gallon mark, the IBU will... sort of go up. It will shift the later hops from aroma/flavor into bittering. So you'll get a lot of bittering compounds without the aroma compounds.

You could also boil for an extra hour BEFORE starting your hop schedule - this will give high OG but normal IBUs.

helps to clarify what I'm saying. But yes, if you boil your 15-minute hop addition for 60-minutes, you'll get more IBUs out of that hop addition, and less flavor.

 

[beerthirty]

ya I did, I just played with the ingredients to adjust color, bitterness and gravity. see my above post. just waiting on some experienced feedback. just play with it till you get close.

 

[beerthirty]

so just run the same boil and hop schedule as posted? since the hop addition at at 60 min left. correct?
thanks, had to get in on this swap

 

[BierMuncher]

...after entering the recipe into beersmith, scaling to fit my 15 gallon rig and reading through 433 posts this is what I came up with....

Batch Size: 8.00 gal
Boil Size: 11.38 gal
Estimated OG: 1.119 SG
Estimated Color: 19.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 99.3 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.00 %
Boil Time: 120 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
32.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 82.43 %
2.78 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 7.16 %
1.54 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3.97 %
0.50 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 1.29 %

The scaling looks fine. How big is your mash tun?

I wouldn't worry about the exacts on those partial hops amounts. Round em up or down.
37 pounds of grain....

 

[beerthirty]

50 quart tun and boil kettle. I played with beersmith till it stopped kicking out the overmash tun ewarning

 

[BierMuncher]

50 quart tun and boil kettle. I played with beersmith till it stopped kicking out the overmash tun ewarning

At 12.5 gallons for a tun...still sounds like that thing will be pretty crowded. My 10-gallon gets unmanageable at around 24-25 pounds...especially if I've added rice hulls (which I'd recommend with a huge grain bill).

 

[beerthirty]

ok looks like I will scale down for a smaller batch, thanks BM

 

[Couevas]

As for the hops, when originally entered in BS I had like 50 IBU no matter what scale I used. So I just started increasing amounts to get the 99.

I know we have discussed this before, but I want to bring it up again. No matter what scale you use in Beersmith, you get nowhere near the pastors IBU rating with that amount of hops. Are the other BS users here increasing their hop levels until they reach the 90's, or are they thinking that pastor's levels are off? (watching for lighting bolts)

 

[Chriso]

I'd do a 5-gal net batch, and set BeerSmith/ProMash/whatever to a 150 or 180 minute boil. That should, then, give you the appropriate sparge volumes.

@ Couevas, I'm adding hops till I get to 99 IBU. Rock out with my male rooster out.

 

[beerthirty]

well looks like I have decided on a 6 gallon batch(30 lbs of grain including hulls) to fit my mash tun. I'm gonna do yuri's thunderstuck pumpkin Thursday and when thats out of the primary use the cake for the barleywine. I'm thinkin(not my strong suit) after several months of conditioning there won't be any noticeable spice flavors left especially with 99 IBU. if there is my apologies to the tasters. then again since the booze is already flowing I might decide against it tomorrow.