I got shut down - no more outdoor brewing

[bull8042]

That is funny! Yea, the user name goes back many years when I had a crew of uh, lets say, uh, hmmmm, ok, I got it, immigrants working for me. My first name is Tony, you can probably figure the rest from there.
So your OL is your drinking problem, you drink she has a problem
AP

Pretty close. The word "Chingar" is equivalent to our "F" word, which I am sure you are well aware. They just use it even more creatively than we use ours. I love the Spanish language.

 

[sirsloop]

lol... first mistake was buying a home that was under the commie rule of a HOA.... IDK how anyone gets roped into that noise. Just thinking about it makes me want to murder small animals.

 

[srm775]

Driveway/parking lot is a pretty narrow area that would piss a lot of people off if I were to set up there. They got pissy when we had a garage sale that spilled into that area. Our direct neighbors, the ones we share walls with, don't care. They find it pretty cool, and know another homebrewer in MN. I think the association just doesn't like us very much. They've been giving us a hard time over our dog lately because he has separation anxiety and has a bad day once in a while. At least he doesn't run off leash like some other people's dogs. Grr.

So, you have your own garage that has it's own garage door, right? Why don't you just close your garage door? If you're worried about carbon monoxide, open it only about 6" and you'll be fine. They can't complain if they can't see you.

 

[Schlenkerla]

So, you have your own garage that has it's own garage door, right? Why don't you just close your garage door? If you're worried about carbon monoxide, open it only about 6" and you'll be fine. They can't complain if they can't see you.

Do like the automotive places. They have a round hole cut into the bottom of the garage door. They usually have a lid that swings out of the way to keep critters out. Hook up a ventilation hose to that and blower/shop vac to suck out fumes.

Then call it done. The HOA can go FO.

 

[homebrewer_99]

Not reading all the other comments, but where does everyone grill their steaks?

There should be no difference between them and you...:rockin:

 

[bull8042]

There should be no difference between them and you...:rockin:

C'mon, sure there is.... They have to BUY their beer!!!

 

[Homercidal]

Do like the automotive places. They have a round hole cut into the bottom of the garage door. They usually have a lid that swings out of the way to keep critters out. Hook up a ventilation hose to that and blower/shop vac to suck out fumes.

Then call it done. The HOA can go FO.

+100 I'd do this. Even a small fan will bring in enough fresh air to replace what is being used. Crack a window if you can.

 

[Bobby_M]

I don't know, I'm a relatively liberal guy but I'd be pissed if I knew someone was running a 50kBTU+ burner inside a building I share ownership of.

 

[bluehouse]

People around here that have pets build a garage vent that goes all the way accross the garage door. it is a wood frame about 12" high and covered with rolled fence wire or hardware cloth. they open the garage door and stand it up under the opening and shut the door. there is no hole cutting no permanate damage the only issue is you have the frame standing in your garage till your ready to use it. The wire mesh makes it a little harder to see into the garage but still lets pleanty of air through. If someone gets right up to the door and lays down on the gound they can look in your garage, but really are they going to do that? Borrow someones yappy little dog to brew with you just to give your neighbors something to talk about. Never lived in a condo, but somehow I doubt the open flame is really the issue unless your brewing on an old dry deck with a old dry overhand, they just don't like you being out there doing something they don't know about or don't understand. Right now we are in a sever state of drought and we are still allowed to bar b que and burn fires that are contained in a pit or other "suitable" container. If we have a open fire pit we have to have a 1" or smaller metal screan to contain possible ash flare ups. We haven't had any real percipitation to speak of in months.

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

I just thought of something. What probably garnered the complain in the first place wasn't your brewing. As you said, she said "oh, just beer". The complaining neighbor probably thought you were cooking turkeys. Having a keg full of boiling hot oil on an open burner in a garage would scare the **** out of me too.

 

[Decojuicer]

I would say that if the OP bought his townhouse knowing that there was an HOA, then he is obliged to live by their rules. It sucks, but that's the way that it goes.

Also, since this is a city/township ordinance, then he can't really do anything about it other than try to get the code changed.

It sounds like the problem is with one neighbor who has some mental problems. While the OP may look like a D.B. for messing with the guy, he is certainly should not let himself be bullied just because the guy is a mental. I am a police dispatcher, and I know several people who are mentals who call constantly to complain about all of their neighbors for any real or imagined problems. One guy has a problem with people driving down the street with their radio on in their car. I have had officers sitting on his street when cars came down and they say that they cars are not violating the noise ordinance, but this guy continues to call and try to make life difficult on everybody else. There is another lady who hates her middle eastern neighbors, because they are middle eastern, so she calls on every little thing that they do. If it were me, I would walk over there and call the guy out. I would also strongly stress that if he continued to harass me, I would return the favor and call on every violation that he commits. Then I would follow through.

I live in a neighborhood without an HOA, and I still have problems with one of my neighbors. I have a neighbor who is an anti-hunter and hates me because I am a hunter and because I own hunting dogs. She has called the township on me for several made up reasons(all the complaints were closed as unfounded) and has even called the DNR on me because I had a live raccoon in a trap in my backyard for 24 hours once(I was training a pup the next night). After the last complaint, I called up the code enforcement officer and we had a long chat. He turned out to be a fellow hunter and understood what was going on. He told me that he has an obligation to investigate all complaints(I understand that), but usually when one comes in to my address he knows that it can be taken care of in about 2 minutes. I then asked him if there is any law or code that prevents me from butchering my own deer in my garage with the door up. He laughed and said that was perfectly acceptable. The next year he got a call about me butchering the deer in my garage and told the caller that there was nothing he could do about it. Then he drove over and parked in my driveway and we had a few laughs while we were talking. There have been no complaints since.

If you want to change the rules for the HOA, then your only recourse is to get involved and make those changes happen yourself. Which I would if I lived in a neighborhood with an HOA.

God luck to you though.

 

[Homercidal]

Where else would you butcher your deer?? Sheesh!

Gladys Kravitz needs to put the binocs down and get laid.

 

[MikeFlynn74]

I don't know, I'm a relatively liberal guy but I'd be pissed if I knew someone was running a 50kBTU+ burner inside a building I share ownership of.

you obviously down own **** if someone else can tell you what to do with it

 

[Schlenkerla]

you obviously don't own $hit if someone else can tell you what to do with it

I fixed it for you...

 

[MikeFlynn74]

I fixed it for you...

thanks- mikey types and never checks

 

[Bobby_M]

Well, I would never buy a condo, townhouse or any shared property for that very reason. Those who do need to play by the rules or think about a detached home.

 

[Baldy_Beer_Brewery]

Maybe this has come up somewhere in the thread, but I'd still brew until they shut me down. Screw these homeowner's associations anyway.

 

[duskb]

I got a call from my homeowners association this weekend. In the message the woman says somethign to the afftect of "some people have noticed you brewing... something in the garage. Whatever it is, I think it's probably against fire safety laws and we'd like you to stop."
I called up my local fire dept this morning to get some info, and, indeed, an open flame within 10 feet of a structure is not allowed in a townhome setting like ours. He didn't say it was illegal, but if an inspector saw it they would make me stop.
I do not have a private yard large enough that would keep me 10 ft from a wall or fence, which means I'm moving operations indoors. Which means 2.5-3 gal batches since our stove sucks. Which means my banjo cooker and 20 gallon Blichmann are essencially useless to me until we move. This f'n BLOWS!

HOA's suck, HOA Boards suck, you can try to fight them but in my experience you will lose. Those things exist to dumb all owners down to the LCD or drive sane people out of their mind. Take your pick.

I once did feel your pain but I moved....curses to them all.

OTOH, I make 5 gal batches on the stove all the time. No issues yet.

 

[EvilTOJ]

Has anyone mentioned they hate HOA's yet?

 

[Schlenkerla]

Has anyone mentioned they hate HOA's yet?

No not yet. I think I hate them, never lived anywhere with one. Sounds like I'd hate 'em though.

 

[jmendez29]

Has anyone mentioned they hate HOA's yet?

I considered hating one once. But then I started thinking..... What if they decided to hate me back? Could I handle the rejection? And what if they're just really misunderstood? Maybe they just want to be loved. Maybe they just want a hug or a friend. Maybe they tried to....... Wait. What are we talking about here?

 

[SpanishCastleAle]

I considered hating one once. But then I started thinking..... What if they decided to hate me back? Could I handle the rejection? And what if they're just really misunderstood? Maybe they just want to be loved. Maybe they just want a hug or a friend. Maybe they tried to....... Wait. What are we talking about here?

HOA's bro...there's an 'A' on there.

 

[SpanishCastleAle]

Has anyone mentioned they hate HOA's yet?

It's been mentioned several times...and there have been several defenders of the HOA's.

...you can try to fight them but in my experience you will lose.

I take a much different approach...and I'm undefeated/untied. I just ignore them (except for the dues). I know when dues are coming and pay them...every other piece of mail from them goes in the circular file...unopened.

 

[CBBaron]

I think a bunch of people are using this thread to complain about HOA's when this really has nothing to do with the HOA. The OP is in violation of the local fire ordinances. Those ordinances are based on national guidelines. And they were put in place for a very good reason. Operating a propane powered burner with an open flame in or near a flammable structure has a significant chance of causing a fire. In a multi-unit building that fire will affect many people beyond the person operating the burner. Sure you can operate the burner is a reasonably safe way but it is also very easy to operate in an unsafe way which is why the laws are written the way they are.

I'm sorry but if the OP cannot operate the burner in an open area where it will not have the chance of destroying another persons house then he has no business operating it. And it sounds like he realizes that. Now if all you freedom lovers will realize that you also have responsibilities then this wouldn't be such a bash fest.

Also note i said nothing about HOAs. HOAs may be good or bad but they are not the issue in this case.

Craig

 

[olllllo]

I think a bunch of people are using this thread to complain about HOA's when this really has nothing to do with the HOA. The OP is in violation of the local fire ordinances. Those ordinances are based on national guidelines. And they were put in place for a very good reason. Operating a propane powered burner with an open flame in or near a flammable structure has a significant chance of causing a fire. In a multi-unit building that fire will affect many people beyond the person operating the burner. Sure you can operate the burner is a reasonably safe way but it is also very easy to operate in an unsafe way which is why the laws are written the way they are.

I'm sorry but if the OP cannot operate the burner in an open area where it will not have the chance of destroying another persons house then he has no business operating it. And it sounds like he realizes that. Now if all you freedom lovers will realize that you also have responsibilities then this wouldn't be such a bash fest.

Also note i said nothing about HOAs. HOAs may be good or bad but they are not the issue in this case.

Craig

QFT
..........

 

[MikeFlynn74]

I think a bunch of people are using this thread to complain about HOA's when this really has nothing to do with the HOA. The OP is in violation of the local fire ordinances. Those ordinances are based on national guidelines. And they were put in place for a very good reason. Operating a propane powered burner with an open flame in or near a flammable structure has a significant chance of causing a fire. In a multi-unit building that fire will affect many people beyond the person operating the burner. Sure you can operate the burner is a reasonably safe way but it is also very easy to operate in an unsafe way which is why the laws are written the way they are.

I'm sorry but if the OP cannot operate the burner in an open area where it will not have the chance of destroying another persons house then he has no business operating it. And it sounds like he realizes that. Now if all you freedom lovers will realize that you also have responsibilities then this wouldn't be such a bash fest.

Also note i said nothing about HOAs. HOAs may be good or bad but they are not the issue in this case.

Craig

OP said FD said it wasnt.

 

[Bobby_M]

It's not like the HOA came in with military force and took control over a previously "free" condo complex. You buy a share of the place and know damn well you're living under some additional rules.

 

[danorocks17]

I'd keep doing it tell they threatened me with a fine. Tell the neighbors to quit being dicks. F* 'em!

 

[olllllo]

This is the Keg Ethics thread of real estate.

 

[Schlenkerla]

Well, maybe its not the HOA that suck, more like the people who think they are empowered little fascist dictators.

I would have to agree that one needs to know what you are getting into when you buy a place with one.

My two burners are not 10' from the house when light 'em up more like 6-8'. I also have a deck about 10' over the top.

The risk is really low that I'm gonna catch my house on fire. How do they determine what's better 6, 8, or 10'? Sounds like alarmist over regulating BS. What if his house is all brick? What if his house is cedar sided? The code probably covers the worst case scenario.

The deal here, that's what they want, fight it or suck it up an do something different to brew. If that involves moving, move then.