How is this possible- a real stumper?

[VermVerm]

10lbs wheat
10lbs 2row
1 lb caramunich
10 gallon
5.3ph 75% RO, 25% spring

1hr mash at 153F

.5 gallons per pound of grain on sparge at 170

1 hour hard boil

estimated OG 1.069 at 55% efficiency

actual OG 1.041- or something like 4 % efficiency...

thoughts?

 

[homebrewer_99]

Doesn't steeping get you 40%?

How'd you get less than steeping??

 

[Jonnio]

corrected for temp?

 

[VermVerm]

1.041 at 68 F

Fly sparge

 

[salzar]

How many gallons, was the OG recorded at.

 

[BarleyWater]

I got 55% efficiency, what are your mashing procedures?

 

[VermVerm]

10 gallons
post boil and cool down to 68 F

 

[Sea]

Strange. I'd look to a problem with the measurement before I accepted 4%. What volume of wort did you end up with after the boil?

Damn too late!

 

[BarleyWater]

I think your calculations are off.

 

[BarleyWater]

At 10 gallons post boil w/ 21lbs of grain, BrewSmith is telling me that with 55% efficincy, you are spot on. (Est OG 1.042)

 

[VermVerm]

ground malt twice, added to 52 PH balancer, rest at 153F for an hour. Fly sparge for an hour while starting boil, no sugar taste in spent grain, no sugar taste in last drips. In this case I used 8 gallons for sparging at 170F

 

[VermVerm]

Pro Mash has me at 1.069?? Can someone with promash calculate and report what they get also>

 

[VermVerm]

Strange. I'd look to a problem with the measurement before I accepted 4%. What volume of wort did you end up with after the boil?

Damn too late!

Yeast is going crazy(good) today (brewed yesterday)

 

[VermVerm]

At 10 gallons post boil w/ 21lbs of grain, BrewSmith is telling me that with 55% efficincy, you are spot on. (Est OG 1.042)

Pro Mash has the

Wheat at 1.046 potential SG PPPG
2row at 1.036
caravienne at 1.034

Does that match what you have in beer smith?

 

[VermVerm]

Everlasting Hopstopper

I am leaving a lot of detail so maybe someone can figure out an error in calculations.
A ProMash Recipe Report


BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
10-A American Ale, American Pale Ale

Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.060
Min IBU: 30 Max IBU: 54
Min Clr: 5 Max Clr: 14 Color in SRM, Lovibond


Recipe Specifics
Batch Size (Gal): 10.00 Wort Size (Gal): 10.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 21.82
Anticipated OG: 1.069 Plato: 16.87
Anticipated SRM: 6.3
Anticipated IBU: 27.7
Brewhouse Efficiency: 55 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes


Pre-Boil Amounts
Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 11.76 Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.059 SG 14.46 Plato


Formulas Used
Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
45.8 10.00 lbs. Briess Wheat America 1.046 2
45.1 9.85 lbs. Rahr Malt 2-row America 1.036 2
9.0 1.97 lbs. CaraVienne Malt Belgium 1.034 21

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
0.10 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 1.8 60 min
0.10 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 1.8 55 min
0.10 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 1.7 50 min
0.10 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 1.6 45 min
0.10 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 1.4 40 min
0.10 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 1.1 35 min
0.50 oz. Cascade Pellet 8.20 4.7 30 min
0.10 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 0.7 25 min
0.25 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 1.5 20 min
1.50 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 4.5 5 min
1.50 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 4.5 1 min
2.00 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 0.0 Dry Hop
0.50 oz. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.00 2.4 15 min

 

[BarleyWater]

Don't know what else to tell you, BeerSmith puts it almost spot on 55%.

Type: All Grain
Date: 4/21/2008
Batch Size: 10.00 gal
Boil Size: 12.27 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 55.00%

Ingredients

Amount Item Type %
10 lbs Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 45.83 % (1.040)
9 lbs 13.6 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 45.14 % (1.036)
1 lbs 15.5 oz Caravienne Malt (22.0 SRM) Grain 9.03 % (1.034)
Total Grain Weight 21.82 lbs


Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.045 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.012 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.34 %
Est Color: 6.6 SRM

 

[Yuri_Rage]

Just for grins, I threw this into BeerSmith, set up with mostly defaults.

I show you need 87% efficiency to get 1.069.

You're stuck at 51% with 1.041.

Based on experience, other recipes, and actual results, these figures appear accurate.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

HBD's Beer Recipator shows you at 63% efficiency for an OG of 1.041, and over 100% to attain 1.069.

 

[VermVerm]

Just for grins, I threw this into BeerSmith, set up with mostly defaults.

I show you need 87% efficiency to get 1.069.

You're stuck at 51% with 1.041.

Based on experience, other recipes, and actual results, these figures appear accurate.[/QUOTE

Agreed.

I reset all defaults and you guys are right. Man do I ever feel better knowing I was at least mid 50's Thanks guys!

sample

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

06-D Light Hybrid Beer, American Wheat or Rye Beer

Min OG: 1.040 Max OG: 1.055
Min IBU: 15 Max IBU: 30
Min Clr: 3 Max Clr: 6 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal): 10.00 Wort Size (Gal): 10.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 21.00
Anticipated OG: 1.041 Plato: 10.16
Anticipated SRM: 3.9
Anticipated IBU: 0.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 57 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 11.76 Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.035 SG 8.68 Plato

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
4.8 1.00 lbs. CaraVienne Malt Belgium 1.034 21
47.6 10.00 lbs. Rahr 2row Pale 1.030 0
47.6 10.00 lbs. Wheat Malt America 1.038 2

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Yeast
-----




Water Profile
-------------

Profile:
Profile known for:

Calcium(Ca): 0.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 0.0 ppm
Sodium(Na): 0.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 0.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 0.0 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 0.0 ppm

pH: 0.00


Mash Schedule
-------------

Mash Type: Single Step

Grain Lbs: 21.00
Water Qts: 0.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal: 0.00 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 0.00 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Mash-out Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Sparge Temp : 0 Time: 0


Total Mash Volume Gal: 0.00 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.

 

[VermVerm]

HBD's Beer Recipator shows you at 63% efficiency for an OG of 1.041, and over 100% to attain 1.069.

I still can't figure out how to get the 1st recipe to make any sense. I think I have a program error in that file that is messing with the math.

 

[VermVerm]

figured it out.

The wheat is not the briess wheat with 1.046 its an american with 1.036. That is the final answer. Thanks everyone!

 

[budbo]

If I might ask, Why would you want a wheat with 1.069

 

[FlyingHorse]

Pro Mash has the

Wheat at 1.046 potential SG PPPG
2row at 1.036
caravienne at 1.034

Does that match what you have in beer smith?

My ProMash shows the potential of wheat malt at 1.037-1.038, not 1.046. That might be part of your problem.

EDIT: oops, shoulda read the whole thread...

 

[Bobby_M]

What is your mashtun design? So much for fly sparging being more efficienct (ouch, j/k).

 

[VermVerm]

What is your mashtun design? So much for fly sparging being more efficienct (ouch, j/k).

Its a 3 tier with a false bottom. only an inch below the false and the tube goes down to the bottom of the tun??

 

[VermVerm]

If I might ask, Why would you want a wheat with 1.069

Hybrids are the in thing right now! Its in the style of Three Floyds Gumball. I find that good so I thought I would try it.