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That's one of the articles I had in mind. I find it rather lacking in wild germplasm, though. Especially North American.

Still, setting aside North America, that still draws basic delimitation of: Western Europe (England), Central Europe (Germany), South-Eastern Europe (ex-Yuggoslavia), Asia (Russian Altai), Caucasus (Georgia). Could probably be added: Far Eastern cordifolius (Japan), NE America lupuloides (Québec), Central America pubescens (Missouri), NW America lupuloides (Saskatchewan), Southern North America neomexicanus (New Mexico).

To maximize heterozygosity, one could take a promising candidate from each group. With 10 groups, it'd take a minimum of 4 crosses to get contributions from all of them concentrated into 1 lot. You could even add up to 6 of your favorite cultivars to the mix, from a bit all over, without increasing the number of generations needed. Or, cut out 2 of these, (say, NEA lupuloides and CE lupulus), and do it in 3 generations, with probably little loss of heterozygosity.
 
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It's not how it is done, but it could theoretically be done. These two statements are not contradictory. The possibility of breeding hops as one would breed, say, watermelons, doesn't mean that it is practical and valuable to do so.

Hops are perennials, and in practice, are bred like fruit trees: you typically grow a very large number of F1s, you cull and cull and cull until you get a handful, you do further multi-year multi-site testing, and then on the 1 or few grand winners, you mass replicate vegetatively. There's not much "breeding out" bad traits unless your breeding program wants to specifically include specimens that have both target traits and disqualifying traits. And even in that case, F2s will generally be the go-to. Continuously making additional crosses without publishing anything is extremely rare. People spend 8-10 years per single cross with hops, typically. Stabilizing a true-breeding hop variety would essentially be the work of a lifetime, and by the available literature, would unlikely yield anything worth a common cultivar, much less worth a lifetime's work.

Even if one could master anther culture and double haploidy in hops, which would greatly reduce the required time to seriously inbreed, that's still a whole lot of hassle for so little gain. Perennial crop breeding isn't done the same way as one breeds annuals like tobacco, but if you really want to you can try to do it.



Different subspecies will obviously have inherent genetic distance, but even within ssp. lupulus, there's a lot of variation between Western Europe and Caucasus. I don't remember the details of the studies I've read too well, I'd have to look them up again, but I believe that populations between these two extremes also show enough distance (Czech Republic, ex-Yuggoslavia are also, I think, distinctive of the former two).
Dude, you just like to argue . Youre saying the same thing I did only in a different way.
I'm done with this thread.
 
Dude, you just like to argue . Youre saying the same thing I did only in a different way.
I'm done with this thread.

I'm sorry you feel that way. Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant to say, but to me, it looks like you said breeding hops requires making successive crosses and that it is impossible to develop cultivars from F1 single crosses, which is not true at all. I apologize if that's not what you meant.
 
A Plus usually have Ernest rhizomes in winter but only do pots at this time of year and don't seem to have any left, as I say they are very popular so it's a question of getting them when you can.

I Email A plus and it Looks like I have missed the window this season anyways. Probably too hot here to ship any type of hop even if they were to sort out any rhizomes. They can't send pots outside of the UK so I'll wait for fall. I will be watching there site like a hawk later this year in Hope's to grab a few up once they are available. I would love to get both of these and maybe a few more from there listing. from what I have read about Ernest and first gold these are very interesting genetics. Bullion I have read about on the Hop List book. Kind of an old world meets new world.
Northern Brewer would you recommend any other varitials that they offer?
 
It's probably worth dropping them a line in early October, normally 1 November is the start of the bare-root season but since that's the day after the Brexit chaos officially begins, it might be worth trying to get them sent before then.

The other thing to check is what rules are on importing plants into your neck of the woods - I know the PNW has specific rules, but California is pretty hot in general about plant health, for obvious reasons.

From a breeding POV then probably Yeoman or its offspring Phoenix are interesting, as they have great agronomy even if they're a bit dull flavourwise. And I just like Bramling Cross as a hop. ;-/
 
What I think the gentleman was trying to say is if we all collectively can get together we can come up with and create some fantastic hops. Together (not without a lot of work) time and money...

What we all (well most) have in common is our love to grow hops and the use them in brewing ales and lagers. we are at a huge disadvantage both monetarily not to mention time it takes as most people on these boards are not geneticist, botanists or large scale hop farmers.

But our strength is our Passion for growing hops and brewing excellent beers with them. We can pool our resources together. Share genetics, space etc.
Me for example we have a lot of acreage that we can use for this project. I do not have a lot of funds that I can throw at this at the moment as I'm already pretty strapped with opening up a very small tap house.

I find the hardest part on my behalf is infrastructure we have a very small hop yard 1/4 Acre. From what I can tell based on what we've already built out a quarter acre hop yard cost anywhere from 8k to $12000. Depending on how affordable Poles, cables, anchors, hardware, drip, PVC, water tank. We use organic materials bat guanos compost teas for our fertilizer. this might not be the right path for everyone but we feel like it. And we feel it produces a better product having to spray less for pesky insects. Again using neem oil to treat our plants.

My background with breeding has come from rabbits mainly my grandmaw being Paramount to that. she invented 3 new breeds of rabbit. and some family friends who grow and breed their own fruit trees.

I have been Hovering around these boards as a guest trying to see what others are doing and learning as much as possible. Currently I'm serving with United States Forest Service (Wilderness Ranger). I was active duty 8 years served in Air Force special Ops with the best men and women on the planet. We worked with a lot of other special Ops branches.

So in essence I went from blue to green…. Forest Service green that it is.

The mighty AC130 specter gunship was my chariot. So ugly only those who flew on it would truly appreciate its beauty… A 105 howitzer a 40 mil Bofors and 20 mil Vulcan cannon hanging off the left side.

I absolutely love that weapons platform and I loved flying above special forces… well anyone Associated with the coalition in Afghanistan really.

We operated with American special forces. We also Supported British SAS, Canadian special, forces, New Zealand and Australian special forces along with the mighty United States of America. We played very nicely with others in the sand box
She was a rare bird who only came out at night and there are only a few on the planet a true legendary creature. Our motto was you can run but you will just die tired.

It was an honor and a privilege!

I'm now shifting gears as 2 small children do not allow me to spend 14 days in the wilderness with no contact.

We are attempting to open up a small tap house and brewery that is associated with the agriculture that is grown on the 52 acre farm that I live on.

I am by no means an expert in any of this.
I feel like I've only scratched the surface of horticulture in particular hop growing. I started my 1st rhizomes in 2008 after My enlistment in Air Force special Ops ended. I've read every book I could get my grubby little paws on for hops. Frequent as many sites to learn as much as possible.

I have been brewing since my teenage years and after going to my older brother's house and seeing his hops growing next to some of the barley he was growing. I was instantly hooked on brewing quality craft ale. small batches of extremely tasty brew.
I served in special Ops for 8 years after coming out of a few hard deployments over in the desert I decided that I no longer could stomach some of the scenes depicted in those deployments.

I started studying forestry and horticulture in college. I got my associates degree in forestry and a minor in horticulture I went on to get a bachelor's degree in wildlife biology.

Through my college years I brewed every Friday night this is actually how I met my wife. We both studied Forestry we would call it study nights where we would study dendrology while cooking dinner and brewing a beer. needless to say sometimes the studing didn't go as planned.

After spending hours and hours of researching as many varieties as I possibly could we decided to start a small hop yard. We live in the Southern Yosemite foothills on 52 acres. a quarter acre is dedicated to hops that we know grow well here.
This is this years list

Amalia
Zeus
AlphAroma (Rawku NZ)
Cashmere
Fuggle
Glacier
Nugget
Magnum
Arcadian
Petoskey
Hartwick
Prussian
Multihead (Madusa)
Neo1
Newport
Golding (US)
Oregon Cluster
Horizon
Pocket Talisman
Santiam
Saugatuck
Old Mission
Shaddock
Walhalla
Southern Cross
Liberty
Ultra
MT. Hood
MT. Rainer
Vanguard
Sterling
Super saaz
Super Alpha (Dr. Rudi)
Tahoma
Tettnanger
Triple Perle
Lawton
Eroica
Pacific gem
Columbia
Willow Creek
Willamette
Yakima Gold

C hops!
Cascade
Centennial
Chinook
Columbus
Crystal
Comet
Cluster (Early)
Cluster (Late L-8)

Experimental hops *
Wawona
Collegiate
Kinsman
Bodie
Triumph

* DNA testing and cone analysis needs to be completed to see if they are truly unique or are a known species

Every year the list slightly changes based on previous growing conditions. New varieties that we experiment the previous year and found to have great growth and flavor. That conjunction with the amount of hops we use for our brewery. Based mainly on producting forcasting... example. If I project so many barrels of session being made I will grow more sorachi Ace one year than the previous year that with what we feel like the market is changing to.

Current Hops list for 2019 with some late fall entries (moms for eventual breeding program)
1 Arcadian
2 Walhalla
3 Prussian
4 Petoskey
5 Hartwick
6 Saugatuck
7 Old Mission
8 Lawton
9 Shaddock
10 Diamond Springs(Not Released yet)
11. AlphAroma (Rakau)
12. Amalia
13. Bitter Gold
14. Bodhi Zapus (named from mining town it came from and point break movie)
15. Bramling Cross
16. Brewers Gold
17. Canadian Red Vine
18. Canterbury Golding
19. Cascade
20. Cashmere
21. Centennial
22. Chinook
23. California Cluster (Still searching)
24. Cluster (early)
25. Cluster (late)
26. Collegiate ( Found on creek behind local Jr College )
27. Columbia
28. Columbus
29. Comet
30. Crystal
31. Eroica
32. Fuggles
33. Galena
34. Gargoyle (under negotiation )
35. Glacier
36. Golding (US)
37. Hallertauer
38. Horizon
39. Ivanhoe (under negotiation)
40. Kent Golding
41. Kinsman Flat (Calling it homesteader in honor of mr Kinsman who brought it to the area)
42. Kirin 2
43. Liberty
44. Lubelska-Pulawy (* Friend I served with from Poland)
45. Lublin (friend from Poland)
46. Magnum
47. Marynka (friend from Poland)
48. Mt. Hood
49. Mt. Rainier
50. Multi-head (Medusa)
51. Neo 1
52. Newport
53. Northern Brewer
54. Nugget
55. Olympic
56. Oregon Cluster
57. Pacific gem
58. Perle
59. Pocket Talisman
60. Pride of Ringwood
61. Saazer
62. Saazer 72
63. Santiam
64. Spalter select
65. Serbriaka
66. Sorachi Ace
67. Southern Brewer
68. Southern Cross
69. Star
70. Sterling
71. Syrian Golding
72. Summit (searching for)
73. Sunbeam
74. Super Alpha (Dr. Rudi)
75. Super Galena (still searching for this varietal)
76. Super Saaz
77. Tahoma
78. Tea Maker
79. Tettnanger
80. Triple Perle
81. Triumph (receiveing this fall from Sandy)
82. Ultra
83. Vanguard
84. Vajvodina
85. Willamette
86. Willow Creek
87. Wawona ( A species found growing on an old hotel in Yosemite )
88. Wye Challenger
89. Wye Viking
90. Yakima gold
91. Yeoman
92. Zatecki Cerveni
93. Zenith
94. Zeus

Lubelska-Pulawy *
Lublin *
Marynka *

*Polish Hops that my friend has and will send me next fall.

** Seeds to germinate
Supposedly (received from internet)

Calypso **
Phoenix **
El Dorado **

Do you keep rhizomes/seeds from all of those different hops that you are willing to sell?
 
I root from parent stock.
I do not have seeds or any males to breed with as of yet. (Fingers crossed) soon.

But I have sent bare root stock to friends usually between February and May.
After May it is too hot. Plants usually wilt.
 
That's an impressive number of hops!

I do know there are some male hops available from universities in the states. Another member on here bought a USDA 19058m which seems to be the go-to-male for breeding a lot of the new IPA-type hops. It seems to impart some mildew resistance, high production and high oils to its offspring. It might be worth trying to track down.
 
Lots of sources for seeds, and these are sure to yield you some males. Some vendors sell seeds with 0% germination or seeds that aren't even hops at all, though.
 
I've bought several different varieties of hops seeds over the years on the Internet and have yet to get any sprouts.

Some of them that came to me weren't even hop seeds.


I'm kind of over the Internet hop seed purchasing experience. maybe some day and we can rely on true breeders amateurs or professionals selling good genetics.

But from a starting point I would like some reliable and good genetic make up for males. I do not want to keep very many Males. 3 or 4 tops

but I would like the ones that I have to be (some what proven) it will limit the work and (I believe) have a more fortuitous outcome in the long run.

I had my eye on USDA 19058m among a few others as a good starting point.
 
Maybe somebody on this forum that knows far more than I can start a list of proven Males that this group should try to acquire for future breeding plans.

And speaking of males Happy Father's Day y'all.

Miss you dad rest in peace.
 
Did you stratify your seed? Hops require 6-8 weeks of cold stratification for good results.

Of course, you also need good seeds harvest from well ripened actual hop cones.

I've seen pictures from others who were also sold non-hop seeds. Big online stores like Amazon probably aren't the best place to look, focusing on actual seed specialists is a good first step. Though even then, I've had bad germination rates where I've bought. I suspect unripe seeds.

The USDA can supply seeds, but the germination rates are very variable. I've had some lots with 100% germination, but a lot more with 0%. 25-33% is rather common among the accessions I've tried.

If you are in the US, ordering a male from the USDA is probably simplest. It will yield you fresh seeds that you can harvest with due care and thus get optimal germination rates.

I was given a male when I started, and now have other males from my first seed lots, but I'm inclined to destroy them all this year to leave room for my new generation of home grown and wild collected males.
 
For a while it seemed like every new aroma hop being released had 19058m in the pedigree - Bravo, Calypso, Denali, Lemon drop, Eureka, Summit etc. so I figured if I ever got serious about breeding I'd start there. However, I think there has been some recent success with using neomexicanus males and I think most of the breeding programs now use a proprietary male which are probably not available to the public.

Hopefully someone on here knows more about male hops and can provide some more publically available recommendations.
 
But, it might make your life easier if you just start with one good quality male so you know for certain who pollinated all your hops...
 
Did you stratify your seed? Hops require 6-8 weeks of cold stratification for good results.

Of course, you also need good seeds harvest from well ripened actual hop cones.

I've seen pictures from others who were also sold non-hop seeds. Big online stores like Amazon probably aren't the best place to look, focusing on actual seed specialists is a good first step. Though even then, I've had bad germination rates where I've bought. I suspect unripe seeds.

The USDA can supply seeds, but the germination rates are very variable. I've had some lots with 100% germination, but a lot more with 0%. 25-33% is rather common among the accessions I've tried.

If you are in the US, ordering a male from the USDA is probably simplest. It will yield you fresh seeds that you can harvest with due care and thus get optimal germination rates.

I was given a male when I started, and now have other males from my first seed lots, but I'm inclined to destroy them all this year to leave room for my new generation of home grown and wild collected males.
 
So I cold stratified my seeds after watching a few of you folks. on this site.
I have stratified other seeds from other plants but never hop seeds until last Winter.

I knew that they were not going to germinate based on the condition that I got them... most of them were cracked or smashed depending on how look at it and only a few whole seeds were recieved and those seeds still looked suspect. :(

The rest of the seeds I got online were not hop seeds at all. But I germinated them just the same. Just to see what species they actually were and I could not get them to germinate as well.

Everything except our hot pepper seeds germinate at anywhere from 80 to 100%

I'm not giving up on hop seeds in fact I would like to get some more promising seeds from a few folks on this Web site.

but I am more or less going to dedicate most of my time to accuring males that I can trust.

I have been so busy with the yard I am
in hopes that I can maybe get some males this fall / next season spring and i hope to be Pollinating my own gals next fall. I hope to have my own seeds from known lineage some time in 2021.
 
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But, it might make your life easier if you just start with one good quality male so you know for certain who pollinated all your hops...

I think this would be ideal for me. a few proven males and then embark on that path
 
For a while it seemed like every new aroma hop being released had 19058m in the pedigree - Bravo, Calypso, Denali, Lemon drop, Eureka, Summit etc.

Apart from Summit, those are all Hopsteiner varieties.
 
True... It might not be that 19058m is any better than other males. Maybe it's just that hopsteiner used it frequently.
 
It's the oldest male in the USDA gene bank as far as I can see, so that also plays in a role in its prolificity. "NPGS received: 25-Mar-1982"

The most recent is a wild neomex male from Colorado: "NPGS received: 10-Sep-2002"
 
I would like a few breeders who have males they feel are good starting point for breeding to put a list together or a thread. So maybe a few of us who are looking/starting our own breeding might get some decent stock to start out with.
:cool:
 
With animal breeding, I'd definitely say that it's crucial to start out with elite sperm donors and elite females.

With hops... I don't really believe in "elite males" all that much. Very few males have been "selected" or studied in order to get a general idea of what they may give, and their "known contributions" are fairly generic and unstable. It's not like an elite Holstein bull, which would be very homozygous, and where their pedigree is fully known for many generations.

Sure, a few male hops come up multiple times when looking at pedigrees, but overall, it doesn't look to me like they represent the norm. Quite a lot of cultivars are made by open pollination, which could technically be from one of these USDA males for example, but also quite a lot of cultivars are made by in-house crosses or with wild males.

It's entirely valid to say "hey, I'm aiming for a high AA and noble aroma characteristic hop, so I'll order some of the USDA male #####", but that's not at all a requirement to develop a good hop.

For example, if I look at the British hop family tree, for Endeavour, one of their latest cultivars... The males in its pedigree (going from father to grand-father, great-grand-father, etc.), are 20/86/12, 18/84/5, 23/77, 43/72/2, 25/68/173, 14/66/82, 1/63/42 (from 1966). And that's just the paternal line, looking at the father of the father of the father, etc., each cross made with a different male. If you start looking at the fathers of the females, then you have a whole lot more different males you are looking at. 1/63/42's pedigree isn't mentioned on the poster, but it was crossed to Brambling Cross in 1966, which itself was a cross of Brambling Golding with OL45 from 1927, and OL45 was itself a cross from 1919 including BB1.

When breeding cows, for example, you are typically looking for "more of the same". You see a great cow, you want more like it. When you breed hops, you don't need "more of the same", because you can simply clone it. You want "similar, but different" or "similar, but better", if not simply "entirely different". What you are looking for will influence what strategy is best suited to your ends, but the use of wild germplasm to produce interesting F1 cross cultivars is quite common.

TL;DR: Don't hesitate to just grow your own male(s) from seeds.
 
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So what I'm reading into all this is the Male hop plant is just a pollen donor and does not contribute much to the characteristics of its offspring??

So most of the desirable traits come from the female hop plant?

So genetically speaking generic males work as good if not better then a cultivated Male for breeding

I know in animals and in other plant species this is contradictory.

Intresting.

Well I have seeds now but I don't think I'm ready to germinate anything until this Winter. December would be my goal for a March to April planting in the green house.

Thank you for your advice time and help Apimyces
 
The basic genetics of it are the same, hops still follow the Mendelian model.

But one has to distinguish purebreed breeding and hybrid breeding. The first, as with the Holstein cattle example, aims to gradually weed out all deleterious alleles from the gene pool, counting on spontaneous mutations to yield novel traits, and propagating these among related breeding lines.

Hybrid breeding is different. Yes, you can start off purebred elite stock for your crosses, and that's generally a fairly good idea, but the intended goal is to benefit from heterosis. Instead of aiming to get all of the good alleles twice, you are aiming to pair different alleles that work well together, in synergy. Simulatenously, you are working to override any deleterious recessive gene previous inbreeding might have inadvertently left you with.

The thing with hops isn't that the theoretical basics are different, it's that, practically speaking, the premises aren't the same. With any livestock, you *can* use elite inbred breeders, because they exist, they are available. Starbucks is a famous bull, but you've got the same thing in other species, even non-mammals such as honey bees. In hops, these don't exist. Not because they are theoretically impossible, but because nobody ever bothered to do it. With animals and annual crops, you kind of have to make crosses at regular intervals, because your elite specimen will die of old age. Not so with perennials that are easy to clone. The best bulls of the 1800s are long, long dead. The best hops of the same years are still being grown today. And most of their offspring that are still coming out are not far off, being their daughters, or grand-daughters, but never their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grand-daughter, because nobody bothered to make so many successive crosses. And nobody bothered to do it, because it was a lot of work, and there was no point to doing it. And the reason there's no point to doing it is that hybrid breeding schemes have worked just fine all this time.

Thus, males will definitely yield important traits. The problem though is that they are largely unknown/unknowable, because they are not purebred themselves. As such, the combinations each male can confer is huge. Especially given the same is applicable to the females, and thus, when you cross two hops together, there's a lot of variation in the end results. With large enough samples it's possible to try to deduce some things, and that was done with some of those USDA males, but it's still overall pretty generic.

The other aspect is that hop breeding is rather peculiar, in that it doesn't usually aim for specific agronomic traits, but aims for novelty, especially in the domain of aroma. Taste/aroma is practically absent from industrial breeding schemes, because it's impractical to breed for, and the consumer selects fruits based on appearance firstly, and the growers on yield firstly, so in many crops breeders just strive for something that yields quite a lot and that looks nice. But that's not the case of hops, which are an aroma crop, and which is in an industry that fuels on novelty. If you were breeding most other aroma crops, like thyme for example, then you could probably just set some parameters, such as thymol concentration and/or yield, and focus on such a quantitative trait. But that's less true with hops, where a lot of work is put just towards finding something that's "new". And in that sense, wild stock is gold, because looking for "new" in "old" is possible but less likely to give you what you are looking for.

But again, that's arbitrary. You need to adjust your breeding model according to what your own aims are. If you want a hop that's essentially a higher AA version of Tettnanger, then by all means, cross a Tettnanger with USDA 21110 Male, and perhaps then a sibling cross, and you might get exactly what you were aiming for.
 
Thanks for the very well worded explanation

There is a lot more genetic drift than in a lot of other species therefore the product that you're putting out is unknown because of all the unlimited variables. sounds like with both females and males. Based on less pure breeding and or less breeding in general to create sought after hybrids.
 
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Putting this on a few posts to get the word out.

NEW hybrids wanted
dwarf hops
New flavor and interesting smell varietals would be much appreciated!

Male rhizomes and seeds wanted as well.

It would go to a small farming hop yard in the southern (Sierra Navada )Yosemite foothills
 
I have several Neomexicanus males, first year seedlings. I hope to be able to fertilize some of my cultivars. Mandarina Bavaria, Tardif de Bourgogne, Columbus, Magnum and Chinook.

"j'ai plusieurs mâles Neomexicanus, semis de première année. j'espère réussir à féconder certains de mes cultivars. Mandarina Bavaria, Tardif de Bourgogne, Columbus, Magnum et Chinook".
 
as I have wild (male) lupulus very close to home, I will put plastic bags on my selected female flowers. in this way I guarantee as much as possible a fertilization by the Neomexicanus males I have chosen.

"comme j'ai des Lupulus sauvages (mâles) tout près de chez moi, je vais mettre des sachets plastiques sur mes fleurs femelles sélectionnés. de cette manière je garantis le plus possible une fécondation par les mâles Neomexicanus que j'ai choisi."
 
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