Homebrewing in NJ ILLEGAL w/o permit!!!

[cd2448]

the stats are skewed a bit for camden because compared to all of the other places, it's very small, and doesn't have a lot of nicer areas to counterbalance the trouble spots.

i'd have thought parts of newark, philly, many other places are a lot worse than generally wandering about in camden (not that i do much of that, either).

 

[Ryan_PA]

i'd have thought parts of newark, philly, many other places are a lot worse than generally wandering about in camden (not that i do much of that, either).

I don't know about that. there are parts of philly that I would not go into after dark, much less outside of a car. As a whole, I would not go to Camden ever at night. Except from the Tweeter Center to the ferry.

I am also supprised that 1. no mention of Jersey City and 2. no mention of Chester PA.

 

[Soulive]

I don't know about that. there are parts of philly that I would not go into after dark, much less outside of a car. As a whole, I would not go to Camden ever at night. Except from the Tweeter Center to the ferry.

I am also supprised that 1. no mention of Jersey City and 2. no mention of Chester PA.

JC isn't that bad anymore. They're trying to make it over ala Hoboken. I'm getting married in JC in about 6 months :rockin:

 

[Ryan_PA]

JC isn't that bad anymore. They're trying to make it over ala Hoboken. I'm getting married in JC in about 6 months :rockin:

Oh thats good. My last time up there was over 10 years ago. It was not pretty then.

 

[Soulive]

Oh thats good. My last time up there was over 10 years ago. It was not pretty then.

Yeah, they just harbor sleeping terrorist cells. Not as much actual crime as 10 years ago...

 

[njnear76]

Interesting. Not surprising that this is coming from a state where you can't even pump your own gas. I wouldn't sweat it. I am willing to bet that most NJ cops don't even know about such a restriction. It wouldn't be worth their time to enforce such a ridiculous rule. On a related note, do I need a permit to cook my own food?

 

[ShortSnoutBrewing]

On a related note, do I need a permit to cook my own food?

Funny you mention that...there was a very brief period of time where it was actaully illegal to serve runny eggs. They had to be completly cooked through.

 

[Soulive]

Interesting. Not surprising that this is coming from a state where you can't even pump your own gas. I wouldn't sweat it. I am willing to bet that most NJ cops don't even know about such a restriction. It wouldn't be worth their time to enforce such a ridiculous rule. On a related note, do I need a permit to cook my own food?

My dad's a retired NJ cop and has never once questioned the legality of it. I agree that most cops don't know the rule and/or can't be bothered enforcing it...

 

[njnear76]

My dad's a retired NJ cop and has never once questioned the legality of it. I agree that most cops don't know the rule and/or can't be bothered enforcing it...

I agree. With so many idiots on our roads, the police have better things to do than to bother a guy making his own beer. As long as you aren't a jerk to your neighbors, there is nothing to worry about.

 

[Soulive]

I agree. With so many idiots on our roads, the police have better things to do than to bother a guy making his own beer. As long as you aren't a jerk to your neighbors, there is nothing to worry about.

Yeah NJ cops are usually reactive rather than proactive. I've been trying to lure them over to heckle me though, by using my propane burner outside my townhouse. I guess I haven't scared the neighbors enough to report me on it

 

[JoSeR]

You think thats bad, you can't homebrew in Alabama at all

 

[njnear76]

You think thats bad, you can't homebrew in Alabama at all

What can you do in Alabama?

 

[bigjohnmilford]

What can you do in Alabama?

marry your cousin?

 

[Philip1993]

Georgia statue § 3-5-4 represents a recent change in state law to include the lawful production of beer in the home provided that it does not exceed 50 gallons per calendar year free from state excise tax.

Hey Mr. Georgia legislator: I'm already over the limit and you can kiss my big white a**. Please come by to collect your fine so I can see how many carbuoys will fit into your rectum.

{rant}
People who think themselves to be so self-important that they believe it is their calling in life to dictate how other people live their lives should be rounded up dumped into cesspool with all the other human waste. How enormous must one's ego before they can read a piece of legislation like this and not say "I will not sign this, this is absolutely none of my damn business".

I challenge ANY elected official to debate me here (or anywhere else) about their justification for this piece of trash. And I challenge the f'ing moron(s) who drafted it to step forward and claim this piece anti-American feces as their own.
{/rant}

 

[Special Ed]

+ 1...and if Jersey sucks so much, why do so many people live here/want to live here? Why do so many people come to our beaches to vacation?

That is a great question! I tried NJ beaches 1 time and won't ever do it again. We got to the beach and noticed a sign saying that we needed to find some local government office to purchase a permit to go onto the beach. WTF? So I'm relaxing on the beach and some kids come up and ask me for my beach badge, then I have to break out like $12 or I'd have to leave?! If you need a permit to sit on the beach, I'm totally not suprized you need one to boil wort.

I travel all over NJ for work routinely and the best thing about each trip is leaving. There is a reason you never pay a toll going into NJ, but everyone is willing to pay a toll to leave!

 

[Bobby_M]

Who do you think pays the guys who run around picking up trash on the beach? Should the locals do it or anyone that wants to use the beach? I think badges are pretty fair.

 

[Ryan_PA]

Who do you think pays the guys who run around picking up trash on the beach? Should the locals do it or anyone that wants to use the beach? I think badges are pretty fair.

First, I have not seen any non-permitted beaches covered in trash. Second, If I were a Jersey tax victem, err...uh payer, I would have major issues with paying to go to the beach.

 

[Special Ed]

Who do you think pays the guys who run around picking up trash on the beach? Should the locals do it or anyone that wants to use the beach? I think badges are pretty fair.

Maryland beaches are cleaner and they're free!

 

[mummasan]

I spent the first 19 years of my life growing up in NJ - I was born in Camden

I have vivid memories when we were 'down the shore' - if my mom saw the beach taggers making the rounds, she would grab me and my brother and make us swim in the ocean to avoid the taggers - the best is the belligerent way the lifeguards whistle when they think you are doing something wrong...very pushy those guys

I have since moved to HI - lifeguards here post signs and don't use whistles - they just go get the idiots who swim in 15-20 foot surf or get carried out in a rip current

I will never again live in NJ - I am not inclined to even visit my relatives who have chosen to remain

I retain the right to make fun of NJ b/c that's where I'm from but I have little regard for the Texans who make fun of NJ

 

[Llarian]

Pacific Northwest is probably where I'd move also.

This really is the only option for beer lovers in the US. =)

-D

 

[roofman70]

F*** em!!I live in Michigan and the dumb bitch running the show here thinks its ok too raise all the fee's she can..I surprised that she has'ent went after HBing.

SHUT UP MAN!!!!

 

[RadicalEd]

Seriously, that was a pretty ig'nant statement by Porter fan. Keep taxes low is fine by me, but not if we have to close down essential governmental services in order to do so.

And Michigan is actually a very brew-friendly state. You can find a good micro in almost any corner of the state. In recent history, legislators legalized the distillation of fruit based alcohol for a pittance of $150; that's a commercial license, so yes, you can sell it too. Sure the state loses a bit of revenue from taxes off of BMC if we brew, but in brewing we support our local farmers, which is big points in this state..

Could the state use a few changes? Sure, it could. Some might ague that it needs some changes (myself included). But all in all it's not so bad.

 

[ryan_boc]

You think thats bad, you can't homebrew in Alabama at all

My whole confusion with that is that, it is illegal, but they sell all the equipment and ingredients for homebrewing in stores. There is a store I've heard of in Birmingham and a store that sells a very, very small selection of wine/beer making supplies in Huntsville.

Also, I remember something from high school when we were learning about the constitution. Something about the states not being able to take away rights guaranteed to you by Federal Law. Am I right on that or totally mistaken?

 

[Scimmia]

Also, I remember something from high school when we were learning about the constitution. Something about the states not being able to take away rights guaranteed to you by Federal Law. Am I right on that or totally mistaken?

AFAIK, this isn't a right guaranteed by federal law, it just isn't illegal under federal law. The states can then regulate it all they want.

 

[weasle708]

YEA what he said

 

[ryan_boc]

well poo

 

[Mustangfreak]

Man, I've been living in Texas for 2 months and I hate it here... can't leave til Mar 08 though

Them's fightin' words boy.....

 

[Beerguy8876]

its real convenient that i found this AFTER i transferred my 5 gallon batch of ale to the carboy...

i live in NJ. No permit.

 

[Gumbys_Brew]

its real convenient that i found this AFTER i transferred my 5 gallon batch of ale to the carboy...

i live in NJ. No permit.

i'm ATF and you'll be getting a visit from an agent soon.



just kidding i'm sure you'll be fine just don't go talking about it to loud mouths and you'll be fine

 

[SkinnyShamrock]

Well, I always say...

"Blow up Jersey and give Pennsylvania a beach!"