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I'm going to disagree with you here. Though I'm sure it depends on what equipment people have. I dont have all the fancy bling a lot of folks here have and I havent made it to kegging yet. I've probably got around $400 invested into fermentation chamber, burner, brewpot, wort chiller, mash tun, buckets, etc,etc. For a 5ish% ABV I can brew with my setup for ~$0.50/bottle. I got 50 beers last batch. I've been buying Sierra Nevada Pale Ale 12 packs recently at Kroger for $15. Four 12 packs would be $60. I brewed and equal amount last batch for half that. So $30 savings x 10 batches = $300. I've brewed well over 10 batches and have easily broke even on my equipment. Brewing good beer is of course my primary objective but costs do play an important part of my decision making. At the moment I'm quite content with the equipment I have.

you might be right, maybe i'm over estimating.
I built my brew stand for ease of brewdays on me, lifting and moving kind of thing. and after 15 years of bringing it all together so it was never a lump sum of money out of my pocket for equipment. I enjoy the quality of the beer I make really enjoy the process of making it. I have never looked at the hobby as something I needed to do to cut down on the cost of a bottle of beer. I don't bottle anymore and even if I buy a AG ket beer the final keg of beer is at least half of what a store keg would cost, not accounting for time and equipment.
In anycase, it's all about the glass of goodness in your hand. :mug:

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you might be right, maybe i'm over estimating.
I built my brew stand for ease of brewdays on me, lifting and moving kind of thing. and after 15 years of bringing it all together so it was never a lump sum of money out of my pocket for equipment. I enjoy the quality of the beer I make really enjoy the process of making it. I have never looked at the hobby as something I needed to do to cut down on the cost of a bottle of beer. I don't bottle anymore and even if I buy a AG ket beer the final keg of beer is at least half of what a store keg would cost, not accounting for time and equipment.
In anycase, it's all about the glass of goodness in your hand. :mug:

I didn't start brewing to save money. I love beer and I wanted to make my own. Is there anything wrong with trying to save money though? Recently the frozen yeast bank caught my attention. Not originally to save money but to have a better variety than I do now on hand at all times. After thinking about it and pricing the equipment I think I can have both more money and more yeast. Plus I think I would feel a bit like a mad scientist with my frozen yeast bankonator lol. I would also like to setup a water filtration system since I've been paying $8 for 8 gallons of Spring water from Krogers. The filtration system would pay for itself in no time. Between the yeast and water savings per batch I could cut the cost mentioned above in half. But like you said at the end of the day its all about making a great beer.
 
You can also switch to making session beers like milds, bitters, small saisons - not many hops and less that 8 lbs of grain. Buying in bulk you could knockout a beer at maybe $10 when saving yeast.
 
To follow up my earlier post; At Smith's or Kroger, but not Costco, but maybe Wal-Mart, I am going to pay at least $8.00 a sixer of non BMC beer. $8.00 times 8 six packs, is $64.00 before sales tax. On a good day, I could brew 15 gallons of good beer for the same amount of money. Honestly, I have less than $200.00 invested in gear. An insulated mash tun would be nice, but selling the wife would be difficult, as during the last two plus years I haven't "needed" one, so why do I need one now? Well, sort of, anyway... A couple of small pumps would be nice, but, well, you know, do I really "need" one... My wife bought my starter beer kit and knows I really do enjoy the fruits of my labor, and as time has passed, my beer has gotten consistently better. My wife also appreciates good beer, so that in itself is a big plus. No, I don't add in my time as a cost factor either, as during my brewing time, I am still on HBT. ;) I can honestly say, at this point in time, my brewing gear has saved us a bunch of money.
 
In my mind there's a huge difference between homebrewing as a way to save money and trying to save money when you homebrew.

Good point.

I started homebrewing to save money.

I moved to all grain to save money while homebrewing.

Success on both counts.
 
In my mind there's a huge difference between homebrewing as a way to save money and trying to save money when you homebrew.

Well said AnOldUR. I definitely didn't get into this hobby to save money. I got into it because is it seemed like it would be fun - and I was right. I always try to cut costs/get the best deal I can, but I'd say at this point there's no way in hell I'm saving money over buying beer, since I've spent a fair amount of money of the last couple years putting together my system. But that doesn't bother me in the least. This is my main hobby. I love it. We all gotta do something ya know? Also, right or wrong, I'm in the camp that does not include my time as part of the cost. I'm not doing this to make money so in my head that just doesn't compute. Obviously others feel differently and that's certainly valid.

I've finally settled on a setup that works really well for me and I haven't bought any significant equipment in quite a while, so I think I may slowly be working my way toward the black through the cost savings per batch - which are definitely there.

<Mini-Rant>Is anyone else occasionally shocked by the prices of some of these six-packs/bombers nowadays? Especially when most of this stuff has been sitting warm on a shelf for 3 months? Sometimes I think this kind of sticker-shock is the curse of the homebrewer.</Mini-Rant>

Anyway, if I keep brewing on my current system I think there's a pretty good chance I'll eventually pay off my equipment costs and actually be saving money, but if I do it's a bonus. Certainly not a goal for me personally.

Cheers.
 
This isn't getting enough attention. Unfortunately I've learned a lot of those things the hard way already but there's a ton of great philosophy/state of mind stuff in there. This needs to be sticky'd in the Recipe\Ingredients subforum. So many people trying to do too much and making things more difficult then it has to be.
 
For me..... figuring in the cost factor of home brewing would be like calculating the cost of my guns, ammo, fuel and hunting license into the cost per pound of deer meat or the money spent on fishing rods and gear into the cost of going fishing. It's a great hobby and I get way more in return for my efforts than just Beer!
 
This isn't getting enough attention. Unfortunately I've learned a lot of those things the hard way already but there's a ton of great philosophy/state of mind stuff in there. This needs to be sticky'd in the Recipe\Ingredients subforum. So many people trying to do too much and making things more difficult then it has to be.

I agree, it took me awhile to figure out simple really is better. If you can't make a great beer with 2-3 malts and 2-3 hops MAX then piling on more ingredients will not improve your beer. You need to fix your basics first.
 
Let's see:
Brewing equipment:
Speidel Braumeister 20l = $2000
Fermenters X 4 = $100
Kegging setup = $750

Total fixed cost
$2850

Rough batch cost, 5 gal = $65
Batches per year to cover consumption: 12

Batch cost: $780

Allocating fixed cost to first year batches:
at 12 batches per year : $237,5

Total cost per 5 gallon batch:
$302,-

Cost per liter :
$15,89

Calculating the next best alternative
0.5l reasonable quality craft beer: $34 per liter.

Average yearly consumption:

5 l per week = $170
Per year = $8840

It should work out. It's a little iffy if you add in my brewery build (detailed here https://www.homebrewtalk.com/epic-brew-room-build.html and here https://www.homebrewtalk.com/brew-barn-part-2.html) but as a lot of that work had to be done even without brewing, it would be questionable to add that as a fixed cost to each batch.
 
Again, if you're brewing to save money you're in the hobby for the WRONG reason.
The pleasure of producing a good/great product that you & and your friends/family can enjoy is the goal.
Also, learning to brew is a skill that should be enjoyed! If it's laborious or too costly then find something you enjoy & can share & gain knowledge & skills you didn't have before.


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Every time people bring up this topic people try to discount the value of their time. You MUST count your time in this. Why? Because if the idea is to use your time save money, you have MANY ways to do it.

Try gardening, raising chickens, canning, coupon clipping, cooking, home improvement, make soap and laundry detergent, clean your house if you don't do that yourself already.

On top of that, there are many ways to turn your spare time into income, get a part time job (bartender at a brewpub?), mow lawns on weekends, buy things at garage sales and sell them for profit on ebay, start driving for lyft or uber, sell Amway (is that still a thing?), learn a craft and sell things on etsy, the possibilities are endless.

And don't tell me that the time doesn't count because it's something you enjoy, if it's something you enjoy, then you're not doing it to save money, you're doing it because you enjoy it. Any money saved is great because it's icing on the cake. If you're really in this to save money, you must consider that there are many other ways to spend your time that may save you more. If you save $5/hr brewing, but save $20/hr cooking, $15/hr cleaning, $10/hr knitting scarves for sale, you probably shouldn't brew until you have done as much of those other things as you can.
 
Again, if you're brewing to save money you're in the hobby for the WRONG reason.
The pleasure of producing a good/great product that you & and your friends/family can enjoy is the goal.
Also, learning to brew is a skill that should be enjoyed! If it's laborious or too costly then find something you enjoy & can share & gain knowledge & skills you didn't have before.


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Why do you get to choose the RIGHT and WRONG reasons for starting the hobby? If someone decides that they want to make something for themselves instead of paying someone else to make it then I have no problems with that. I can't really understand why YOU would.
 
Every time people bring up this topic people try to discount the value of their time. You MUST count your time in this. Why? Because if the idea is to use your time save money, you have MANY ways to do it.

Try gardening, raising chickens, canning, coupon clipping, cooking, home improvement, make soap and laundry detergent, clean your house if you don't do that yourself already.

On top of that, there are many ways to turn your spare time into income, get a part time job (bartender at a brewpub?), mow lawns on weekends, buy things at garage sales and sell them for profit on ebay, start driving for lyft or uber, sell Amway (is that still a thing?), learn a craft and sell things on etsy, the possibilities are endless.

And don't tell me that the time doesn't count because it's something you enjoy, if it's something you enjoy, then you're not doing it to save money, you're doing it because you enjoy it. Any money saved is great because it's icing on the cake. If you're really in this to save money, you must consider that there are many other ways to spend your time that may save you more. If you save $5/hr brewing, but save $20/hr cooking, $15/hr cleaning, $10/hr knitting scarves for sale, you probably shouldn't brew until you have done as much of those other things as you can.

But that is a red herring argument. Time is always a factor in everything we do in life. When it comes to saving money factoring in time is only effective if you actually can and do have something else you can be making/producing with that time. For instance, you mentioned cooking could save you 20/hr, yet my wife does all the cooking. So me also cooking doesn't save us 40/hr. Rather it wastes about 8/hr on extra ingredients not being consumed. If I save 10/hr knitting scarves then that would either require I wore scarves (I don't) or there was a market where people would buy my scarves (they won't). At the end of the day the equation is really simple:

1 beer @ $.80 < 1 beer @ $1.25

If people hate brewing but love saving 30% on each beer then that is awesome. I don't begrudge them their dislike of brewing or their love of thriftiness. At the end of the day they are still brewing at home and I consider them part of this hobby. From the lowest Mr. Beer to the grandest conical, there is room for all sorts here and we shouldn't needlessly disparage them.
 
If you start brewing to save money, it's not a hobby. It's a job!

I have no problems with that. I can't really understand why YOU would.

Once again, there are many hobbies in the world. Some people have turned saving money into a hobby. If you find enjoyment in saving money and that is your primary goal for making beer then it is still a hobby. A hobby is simply something you do for pleasure in you leisure time. Some people find pleasure in saving money. Oddly, I have found that most people would find pleasure in saving money. I am surprised it is not more of a hobby honestly.
 
But that is a red herring argument. Time is always a factor in everything we do in life. When it comes to saving money factoring in time is only effective if you actually can and do have something else you can be making/producing with that time. For instance, you mentioned cooking could save you 20/hr, yet my wife does all the cooking. So me also cooking doesn't save us 40/hr. Rather it wastes about 8/hr on extra ingredients not being consumed. If I save 10/hr knitting scarves then that would either require I wore scarves (I don't) or there was a market where people would buy my scarves (they won't). At the end of the day the equation is really simple:

1 beer @ $.80 < 1 beer @ $1.25
Cooking and knitting scarves were two examples, maybe they don't apply to you. However, if you have time available and the desire is to use that time to save or earn money, there are MANY ways to do it. I suspect that homebrewing is one of the least efficient available to most people.

If people hate brewing but love saving 30% on each beer then that is awesome. I don't begrudge them their dislike of brewing or their love of thriftiness. At the end of the day they are still brewing at home and I consider them part of this hobby. From the lowest Mr. Beer to the grandest conical, there is room for all sorts here and we shouldn't needlessly disparage them.

Agreed, however, look around at the threads on this forum, how many of them make ANY mention of saving money by brewing vs. how many clearly show love and appreciation for beer and the process of brewing?

There are a number of thrift oriented forums that talk about ways to save money. I don't take part in them personally, but they're out there. Do any of them have threads on homebrewing? My guess is that they don't. The initial investment of equipment and time involved in brewing just doesn't add up.

Why would that be? Probably because anyone who has seriously looked at it has decided that if you want to save money, the way to do it is drink less beer and drink cheaper beer, not homebrew.

If money is really tight, and you have several hours during which you can brew, I suspect you're much better off finding a way to earn money during that time than homebrewing. I haven't seen any evidence presented to convince me otherwise. Especially when a brewday is usually a several-hour affair, not something you can do with a spare 20 minutes each evening.

Several people have said that spending the day brewing beer doesn't cost them as much as spending the day golfing and drinking beer. That's true, and it likely makes homebrewing a less expensive hobby than golfing, but if are really out to save money, you won't do either one.
 
I used to pay 40 bucks per week for beer, now I spend 10 bucks a week for beer.

I brew my own to save money and to avoid the ridiculous "Sin" tax on alcohol.

It is a hobby, but it is a job as well. I have to schedule brew days to keep the pipeline flowing. I enjoy doing it.
 
Cooking and knitting scarves were two examples, maybe they don't apply to you. However, if you have time available and the desire is to use that time to save or earn money, there are MANY ways to do it. I suspect that homebrewing is one of the least efficient available to most people.

Agreed, however, look around at the threads on this forum, how many of them make ANY mention of saving money by brewing vs. how many clearly show love and appreciation for beer and the process of brewing?

There are a number of thrift oriented forums that talk about ways to save money. I don't take part in them personally, but they're out there. Do any of them have threads on homebrewing? My guess is that they don't. The initial investment of equipment and time involved in brewing just doesn't add up.

Why would that be? Probably because anyone who has seriously looked at it has decided that if you want to save money, the way to do it is drink less beer and drink cheaper beer, not homebrew.

If money is really tight, and you have several hours during which you can brew, I suspect you're much better off finding a way to earn money during that time than homebrewing. I haven't seen any evidence presented to convince me otherwise. Especially when a brewday is usually a several-hour affair, not something you can do with a spare 20 minutes each evening.

I respect your perspective. And you are correct that those who brew to save are in the minority vs those that brew for other reasons. There are lots of ways to save money, yet few have as quick and easy rewards as homebrewing. The initial cost investment is typically 200-300 dollars for all grain brewing. The time involved per batch is usually 6-8 hours total "active time." The money saved is usually around $.40/bottle. At 20 dollars a batch saved you are saving approximately 3 dollars per hour. That seems very very low as compared to other things. Here is where we diverge. I don't spend the 6-8 hours ONLY brewing. I am cooking/cleaning/watering garden/working the budget/being dad. All those things require time anyways so I am doing double duty. Instead of watching tv or reading or any other hobby where the time commitment is nearly 100% I am spending 20% of those 6-8 hours brewing and the rest is being put to good use elsewhere.

Just to clarify, I have nothing against people who don't care about the financial aspect of brewing. I do find it problematic that some people continue to act as though the savings of brewing at home are never actually realized by anyone. It would be tantamount to me saying you should never cook your own meals as a way of saving money because the cost of the stove, fuel, and groceries will mean you never break even. Especially when you factor in your time spent cooking and shopping. Maybe people out there actually think like that, but around here people have a strong DIY saves money mentality and I have adopted it and put it to, I hope, good use.
 
Also, Talldan, I did a quick search for "money" on the forums and got 33k results. A search for "quality" only yielded 28k results. I didn't go past the first page of results for either but it was surprising to me none the less. Oddly even "ruin" only turned up 7k hits. While "help" yielded 180k hits. Sometimes the things we experience seem to take more precedence in our mind then the objective truths of the situation. Not a dig at you, just an observation on what we both assumed to be true. :mug:
 
Also, Talldan, I did a quick search for "money" on the forums and got 33k results. A search for "quality" only yielded 28k results. I didn't go past the first page of results for either but it was surprising to me none the less. Oddly even "ruin" only turned up 7k hits. While "help" yielded 180k hits. Sometimes the things we experience seem to take more precedence in our mind then the objective truths of the situation. Not a dig at you, just an observation on what we both assumed to be true. :mug:

Well, here's how I account for my homebrew budget:

I've spent nearly $1,000 on brewing equipment. Carboys, pots, fermentation temp control cooler and all sorts of misc hoses, parts, etc.

I've spent nearly $1,000 on serving. Upright 4 tap keezer, kegs, hardware, regulators, etc.

I've certainly spent more than I had to for convenience and some things that I just thought were cool, but I'm still on the low end compared to many people here.

Now, before i started homebrewing, i was buying sixtels of craft beer for ~$110. On average, i figure I spent $50 per batch on my extract kit batches, and $25 per batch on my all grain (bulk buying base malt and popular hops, doing some yeast propagation.) In the 21 months since I started, I've brewed 4 extract kits and 17 all grain batches. Quick arithmetic says that I've spent $1685 less on ingredients than I would have on sixtels of craft beer. I need to do 4 more all-grain batches to break even on what I've spent on homebrewing equipment.

Now, a hobby that a net cost to me of $315 over almost 2 years is pretty damn cheap. If you figure I spent 9 hours per batch (reasonable, maybe even low estimate for all-grain given the time I'll spend from planning to yeast starter to kegging) that means it has cost me $1.66/hr to homebrew and that figure is dropping quickly. On top of that, I've had countless hours on this forum, and with local homebrew clubs.

However, to save money, two years to break even with this is terrible. Yes, I could certainly have spent less on my brewing equipment, but there's plenty of it that I spent just to save time on my brew day. Even if you reduce my equipment to what's needed to brew all grain with bulk purchased base malt, there's still at least $500 there.

If you're looking to save money, 8 (5 gallon) batches a year should keep beer in the fridge. Much beyond that is brewing to drink more and not to save money for the purpose of this estimate. Let's say that you intend to get 5 years of use out of your $500 of equipment (reasonable).

Equipment: $500
Ingredients: $25 * 8 (batches per year) * 5 (years) = $1000
Time: 9hours * 8 * 5 = 360 hours
----
Cost for 5 years of homebrewed beer: $1500 + 360 hours

and for buying craft beer:
$80 (two cases of reasonable craft beer, equivalent to a homebrewed batch) * 8 * 5 = $3,200

So: ($3,200-$1,500)/360=$4.72/hr

That's much less than minimum wage. Here in Illinois, that less than tipped minimum wage. On top of that, I think my numbers are probably pretty generous and that rate would likely be lower. Everyone's situation is different, but personally, that's not worth my time if i didn't enjoy brewing. You can make more than that mowing lawns on weekends, picking up one shift a week as a bartender, or many other ways.

We're also ignoring that fact that brewing is a learned skill. With no time spent learning the process, you're likely to end up with a couple of dumper batches in the first year which will make your numbers even worse.

I'll admit, those numbers, with minimal upfront investment are more favorable for homebrewing than I thought. I'm sure people will argue many of the points above, but it seems to me to be a reasonable set of assumptions.

If you currently drink two beers a week at a restaurant or bar, you could save just as much by having those two beers a week at home instead. (Assuming a beer at a bar or restaurant costs $3 more than the one at home.)

So, I'll stick to my answer. As a hobby, homebrewing is phenomenal. You can do something you enjoy, learn more about beer and you can buy cool brewing toys with the money you save on beer. But as a method to strictly save yourself money, it's not great. Just drink less beer and drink cheaper beer and you'll save more.
 
I like to look at it this way, I brew about 15 gallons a month. A lot of experimental beers but a few that are regulars. My regular beers, obviously my favorites, are brewed only by me. Can't by them anywhere in the world. So if only 10 gallons of a beer are made a year what would the price tag of that beer be.
I think I am saving thousands!!!
 
This is a debate that seems to come up on here quite often. I'm on the side that says if you try, you can definitely save money.

Where I do what I can to keep costs down, I don't really concern myself with it all that much. It's my main hobby, so I treat it as such. Do people fly model airplanes to save money? How about buying a new set of golf clubs to save money?

Personally I'd rather cut other things out of my life, such as golf, eating out, buying other beer, to keep me brewing. I like the process as much as drinking it.

As I said, I really do believe it's possible to save money brewing your own beer, but I wonder how much enjoyment it really brings if all you are concerned about is saving money. At that point, are you really brewing what you'd like to drink or are you just brewing what you can for the cheapest amount of money? That's always my biggest issue with focusing on the "Cost of Brewing."

Although, with some craft beer costing as much as $10/sixer, I know I'm brewing good beer for cheaper than that. I have a pretty basic set up and haven't dropped a lot of cash on it. So I'm basically down to cost of grain, hops, yeast, gas and water at this point.

I know a lot of people like to say you have to figure in labor, but in my opinion, that's the whole point of DIY, to not pay labor. If the money doesn't physically come out of my savings account, then I saved that money. It's a hobby, not a business and should be treated that way.
 
Well, here's how I account for my homebrew budget:

I've spent nearly $1,000 on brewing equipment. Carboys, pots, fermentation temp control cooler and all sorts of misc hoses, parts, etc.

I've spent nearly $1,000 on serving. Upright 4 tap keezer, kegs, hardware, regulators, etc.

I've certainly spent more than I had to for convenience and some things that I just thought were cool, but I'm still on the low end compared to many people here.

Now, before i started homebrewing, i was buying sixtels of craft beer for ~$110. On average, i figure I spent $50 per batch on my extract kit batches, and $25 per batch on my all grain (bulk buying base malt and popular hops, doing some yeast propagation.) In the 21 months since I started, I've brewed 4 extract kits and 17 all grain batches. Quick arithmetic says that I've spent $1685 less on ingredients than I would have on sixtels of craft beer. I need to do 4 more all-grain batches to break even on what I've spent on homebrewing equipment.

Now, a hobby that a net cost to me of $315 over almost 2 years is pretty damn cheap. If you figure I spent 9 hours per batch (reasonable, maybe even low estimate for all-grain given the time I'll spend from planning to yeast starter to kegging) that means it has cost me $1.66/hr to homebrew and that figure is dropping quickly. On top of that, I've had countless hours on this forum, and with local homebrew clubs.

However, to save money, two years to break even with this is terrible. Yes, I could certainly have spent less on my brewing equipment, but there's plenty of it that I spent just to save time on my brew day. Even if you reduce my equipment to what's needed to brew all grain with bulk purchased base malt, there's still at least $500 there.

If you're looking to save money, 8 (5 gallon) batches a year should keep beer in the fridge. Much beyond that is brewing to drink more and not to save money for the purpose of this estimate. Let's say that you intend to get 5 years of use out of your $500 of equipment (reasonable).

Equipment: $500
Ingredients: $25 * 8 (batches per year) * 5 (years) = $1000
Time: 9hours * 8 * 5 = 360 hours
----
Cost for 5 years of homebrewed beer: $1500 + 360 hours

and for buying craft beer:
$80 (two cases of reasonable craft beer, equivalent to a homebrewed batch) * 8 * 5 = $3,200

So: ($3,200-$1,500)/360=$4.72/hr

That's much less than minimum wage. Here in Illinois, that less than tipped minimum wage. On top of that, I think my numbers are probably pretty generous and that rate would likely be lower. Everyone's situation is different, but personally, that's not worth my time if i didn't enjoy brewing. You can make more than that mowing lawns on weekends, picking up one shift a week as a bartender, or many other ways.

We're also ignoring that fact that brewing is a learned skill. With no time spent learning the process, you're likely to end up with a couple of dumper batches in the first year which will make your numbers even worse.

I'll admit, those numbers, with minimal upfront investment are more favorable for homebrewing than I thought. I'm sure people will argue many of the points above, but it seems to me to be a reasonable set of assumptions.

If you currently drink two beers a week at a restaurant or bar, you could save just as much by having those two beers a week at home instead. (Assuming a beer at a bar or restaurant costs $3 more than the one at home.)

So, I'll stick to my answer. As a hobby, homebrewing is phenomenal. You can do something you enjoy, learn more about beer and you can buy cool brewing toys with the money you save on beer. But as a method to strictly save yourself money, it's not great. Just drink less beer and drink cheaper beer and you'll save more.

Fair points all around. It was interesting that as a hobby you were accounting for dollar/hr differently than most people do in this kind of debate. I hear ya on making more mowing lawns on weekends for 8 hours vs brewing if money was your only concern. The fact that you can save money at all is great. I think the biggest thing with the cash is that you can drink like a king on a peasants budget when you make it yourself vs buying it. I could never spend 180/month on high end craft beer and feel ok with that. But I can brew comparable beers for 50-80 bucks/month and not feel like that is getting out of hand money wise.
 
Fair points all around. It was interesting that as a hobby you were accounting for dollar/hr differently than most people do in this kind of debate. I hear ya on making more mowing lawns on weekends for 8 hours vs brewing if money was your only concern. The fact that you can save money at all is great. I think the biggest thing with the cash is that you can drink like a king on a peasants budget when you make it yourself vs buying it. I could never spend 180/month on high end craft beer and feel ok with that. But I can brew comparable beers for 50-80 bucks/month and not feel like that is getting out of hand money wise.

Well, it was an eye opening exercise (before i started homebrewing) when I started using mint.com and it kept an "alcohol & bars" budget for me. Great beer isn't cheap. The downside is, while homebrewing cut down on some bulk craft beer buying for me, I still spend a fair amount of money on beer. Instead of going into a bottle shop and buying two $8-10 six packs and 2-3 more expensive bombers, i go in less frequently and buy one six pack and 5 bombers.

I think most homebrewers overestimate the quality of their beer, honestly. I've never had a batch that I've considered a dumper, but there have been at least a few that if I bought as commercial craft beer I would never buy again. A batch or two have been really great, but i'll bet in a blind taste tests my beer wouldn't fare all that well. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beerholder, so all that matters is that you enjoy your beer. ;)

And in the big picture, I think a lot of people start these threads because they want to justify their hobby to someone else in their life (spouse, friends, parents, whoever). If you want to justify it as a fun hobby that is as cheap as you want it to be, i'm 100% on your side, I love it, and pretty soon all of my equipment will have paid for itself. (Just in time to buy more!) But if you are really on a tight budget and try to justify spending thousands on some of the cool brew stands and/or electric setups that you see on this site by saying that it's going to save you money, no. You had better check your spreadsheets after you've sobered up and then admit to SWMBO that you can just drink less and pick up a part time job in the evenings or put in some overtime.

So, to directly answer the title of this thread, homebrewing to save money is a terrible investment of time. No matter what you do, the beer still costs money, so to save money, drink less beer. To enjoy beer, homebrew!
 
My setup has cost me exactly $117.23....so it has been an incredible cost savings. Also I've gotten to the point where my beer is good enough to trade for heady, commercial expensive beers
 

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