(Home made) PBW - safe for glass? (Safe in general?)

[ryno1ryno]

I am seriously thinking that Oxyclean Free will be good enough for me as the time it takes to make a special batch of the TSP and Oxy seems to be similar to rinsing twice. The third rinse will be during sanitizing before use anyway.

Sound reasonable?

 

[aubiecat]

If you are an Amazon Prime member you can get 3 lbs. Oxi Clean and 1 lbs. TSP/90 delivered to your door for $13.44 which is $3.36 a pound for 4 lbs. That is actually cheaper than I can get it retail around here.
One of the cheapest places I can find has PBW for 20.99 plus $6.99 shipping (no HBS within 60 miles).
That's $27.98 which is $7.00 a pound for 4 lbs.

 

[worxman02]

You can buy a 8lb container of PBW from Midwest on Amazon ( http://amzn.com/B0064O7XRY ) for $36.99 plus $10.91 shipping which comes out to $5.99/lb. That's the cheapest price I have found yet. I'd ask your LHBS how much a 8lb container would be because you might be able to save on shipping costs if their price is reasonable.

 

[worxman02]

If you really want to stock up, you can buy a 50lb bucket of PBW from a variety of places. CHIcompany ( http://www.chicompany.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=375_18&products_id=781 ) seems to have a good price at about $200 including shipping to Oregon for me, which comes out to $4/lb which gets it down to almost the same price as the homemade stuff it seems. It will take you a good long while to get through it though, unless you split it up with some brewing buddies.

 

[ryno1ryno]

If you really want to stock up, you can buy a 50lb bucket of PBW from a variety of places. CHIcompany ( http://www.chicompany.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=375_18&products_id=781 ) seems to have a good price at about $200 including shipping to Oregon for me, which comes out to $4/lb which gets it down to almost the same price as the homemade stuff it seems. It will take you a good long while to get through it though, unless you split it up with some brewing buddies.

But who really wants to spend 200 bones on cleaner?

Oxyclean Free just needs to be rinsed one extra time... so I'm think I'm just gonna get the stuff from Wal mart and call it a day.

FYI... my Wal Mart super center has a TSP knock off.

 

[ryno1ryno]

What about this substitute from Wal Mart:

Savogran Liquid TSP Substitute. (Says don't eat. But of course, you shouldn't eat any of the cleaners).

It has 38% EDTA - Ethylenediamine tetra acetic acid dipotassium salt
dihydrate

And the rest sodium metasilicate

http://whatsinproducts.com/msds.php?brandId=10627

 

[aubiecat]

You can buy a 8lb container of PBW from Midwest on Amazon ( http://amzn.com/B0064O7XRY ) for $36.99 plus $10.91 shipping which comes out to $5.99/lb. That's the cheapest price I have found yet. I'd ask your LHBS how much a 8lb container would be because you might be able to save on shipping costs if their price is reasonable.

I don't have a LHBS. Nearest one is 60 miles away.

 

[aubiecat]

FYI... my Wal Mart super center has a TSP knock off.

What is the name of this product?

 

[ryno1ryno]

What is the name of this product?

See #36.

 

[redsoxfan1974]

Great Thread

 

[FredTheNuke]

Or we can just SKIP this cleaning mumbo jumbo and maybe discover a few new Lambics?

 

[ryno1ryno]

Well... it turns out that you even make your own OxyClean.

Water 1 cup
Baking Soda 1/2 cup
Hydrogen Peroxide 1/2 cup

http://www.khou.com/marketplace/money-saving-queen/deals/131784528.html

 

[Shooter]

Well... it turns out that you even make your own OxyClean.

Water 1 cup
Baking Soda 1/2 cup
Hydrogen Peroxide 1/2 cup

http://www.khou.com/marketplace/money-saving-queen/deals/131784528.html

Now, once I figure out how to synthesize baking soda and hydrogen peroxide from items in my pantry, I'll no longer be beholding to the man!!!!

 

[ryno1ryno]

Okay... this reply will def get me some flack from the beer brew halls.

But as it turns out... this gal in the link below breaks dow what really is the cheapest OxyClean solution.

http://www.stacymakescents.com/homemade-oxyclean-is-it-cheaper

 

[Ynksfan27]

I am seriously thinking that Oxyclean Free will be good enough for me as the time it takes to make a special batch of the TSP and Oxy seems to be similar to rinsing twice. The third rinse will be during sanitizing before use anyway.

Sound reasonable?

I agree. I haven't been brewing long, but is assume that straight oxi free would do the trick. I would think that the sanitizing part would be the most important.

 

[PatDunkel]

Now, once I figure out how to synthesize backing soda and hydrogen peroxide from items in my panty, I'll no longer be beholding to the man!!!!

Awesome post!

 

[ACC84]

Great Thread.

 

[varocketry]

From SOAPGOODS.COM

Sodium Percarbonate Information

Sodium Percarbonate Detailed MSDS
Percentages:
Sodium Carbonate Peroxyhydrate: > 85.0%
Sodium Carbonate Approx = 13.0%
Sodium Silicate Approx = 1.5%

See detailed msds for more details. (above)

Sodium percarbonate is a white crystalline water-soluble adduct of sodium carbonate and hydrogen peroxide. Sodium percarbonate is the active ingredient in many powdered oxygen eco-friendly bleach products, including OxiClean.

It is an oxidizing agent and ingredient in a number of home and laundry cleaning products. Despite the name, it is, in fact, a carbonate perhydrate. Dissolved in water, it releases hydrogen peroxide and soda ash (sodium carbonate)

 

[beersk]

The 70/30 mix of oxy free and TSP/90 can and does work just as well as PBW. That dude earlier in the thread who said it doesn't, is doing it wrong.

 

[osky777]

The 70/30 mix of oxy free and TSP/90 can and does work just as well as PBW.

This has been my experience as well.

 

[SigsNanoBrew]

You don't want to use the standard OxiClean Versatile Stain Remover on your brewing equipment because it's scented and you want to avoid anything with any dyes, perfumes or fragrances.

The OxiClean Free is hard to find, not sure if they even make it any more. The Target Up and Up oxygen cleaner also is not listed on their site.

The best thing that I found is Seventh Generation Natural Oxy Stain Remover. It is "Free of optical brighteners, dyes, perfumes, and synthetic fragrances". 50 Ounce container is only $6.49 on Amazon as an add-on item, which means it ships free if the order is at least $25 and all items are shipping from Amazon.

 

[Jaybird]

Now, once I figure out how to synthesize baking soda and hydrogen peroxide from items in my pantry, I'll no longer be beholding to the man!!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha...You get it on Shooter!

 

[jhay_x7]

FYI - OxiClean Free on Amazon has jumped to $13+ for a 3lb tub. A much cheaper alternative is GreenWorks Oxi Stain Remover. It is free of dyes and perfumes and only costs $7.50. A 1lb bag of Red Devil TSP is $6.39 so for less than $14 it will make 4.5lb of homemade PBW.

 

[SigsNanoBrew]

FYI - OxiClean Free on Amazon has jumped to $13+ for a 3lb tub. A much cheaper alternative is GreenWorks Oxi Stain Remover. It is free of dyes and perfumes and only costs $7.50. A 1lb bag of Red Devil TSP is $6.39 so for less than $14 it will make 4.5lb of homemade PBW.

The Seventh Generation Natural Oxy Stain Remover already has the Sodium Metasilicate in it and is cheaper.

 

[TIPA0303]

I use a 2:1 mixture of Sun Oxygen Cleaner:TSP/90. It's pretty much as close a chemical equivalent you can get to PBW.

 

[TIPA0303]

I use a 2:1 mixture of Sun Oxygen Cleaner:TSP/90. It's pretty much as close a chemical equivalent you can get to PBW.

Oh yeah, and you can make 8 lbs worth for under $20.

 

[jhay_x7]

The Seventh Generation Natural Oxy Stain Remover already has the Sodium Metasilicate in it and is cheaper.

Yes but the concentration is less than 1% in the Seventh Generation. I believe PBW has a concentration of ~30%

 

[b-boy]

I use the Oxy/TSP mixture. I can make enough for a whole year for about $30. It eats anything organic. No scrubbing required.

 

[jsguitar]

It may sound strange, but I've been using Cascade Professional unscented detergent lately. It still has phosphates which help a lot with my water. It costs $70 shipped for a case of 6 , 85oz boxes. That comes out to about $2.26 a pound. I'm finding it works really well for me.

http://www.restockit.com/cascade-automatic-dishwasher-detergent-85-oz-(34953pg).html

Edit: Actually, it looks like the free shipping is for over $150, but shipping a case for me is $8.99. Not as good as I thought, but not too bad.

 

[kevink]

I just made some PBW from the info in this thread and am very disappointed. I used 70% Sun Oxy Cleaner and 30% Red Devil TSP/90. The Sun Oxy cleaner is sodium carbonate (cas # 497-19-8) and sodium percarbonate (cas # 15630-89-4). Nothing else. The Red Devil TSP/90 is 100% sodium metasilicate (cas # 6834-92-0).

I have used PBW for the last few years and thought it was great. It would clean anything and would rinse away fine. This homebrew, though, is awful. It seems to clean OK, but it leaves a thick, white chalky coating on everything unless you immediately scrub with soapy water and a scrubby. I just unscrewed my temp probe after running the solution through my system (at 150 degrees) and was horrified at what I saw. The coating would not come off with an aggressive scrubbing with dish detergent and hot water. I decided to leave it on to see if I could find something that will take it off without much effort so I could clean my HERMS coil with it. Oh, my poor herms coil!

Has anyone experienced this? Is there something else I can add to the mixture to prevent this terrible coating from accumulating on everything?