Hey Gang, it's "Moot" not "Mute"

[Hauntedyards]

"Little people use big words, big people just say whatever the hell they want to say. Because they’re big, yo?"

love that...

In education we don't correct a child's grammar in casual conversation, mostly because we want them to WANT to talk to us... but also because it's bloody rude and self important.

There is a little thing called harmless error in communication and an intelligent person will get the gist of it regardless. I also find attention drawn to typographical error and grammar to be the first sign one is losing an argument on a message board. lol

but my pet peeve is apostrophe abuse... a sign that says "Jim's TV's"

 

[BrewKnurd]

but my pet peeve is apostrophe abuse... a sign that says "Jim's TV's"

Related, I am annoyed by quotation mark abuse.

Like when a sign for fresh produce says "fresh produce" in quotes.

 

[Hauntedyards]

Related, I am annoyed by quotation mark abuse.

Like when a sign for fresh produce says "fresh produce" in quotes.

It might be accurate. Maybe it's not fresh. Perhaps someone just said it is. Hehe

 

[JonM]

FWIW: A lot is two words; anyways is no word.

This one seems to be getting worse. Specifically, I've seen an increase in "allot," which is a real word but people seem to be using it in place of "a lot" as in "Allot of people were at the parade." Ugh.

 

[BrewKnurd]

It might be accurate. Maybe it's not fresh. Perhaps someone just said it is. Hehe

Well, agreed, but then they probably wouldn't be advertising that fact.

 

[Special Hops]

Moot or mute is irregardless.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

George Carlin didnt just touch on this, he went off on it. "Common usage" is the process in which a word or phrase changes its meaning over time because of the way it is used. One might say "well that's ok, it means that now because a lot of people believe it to mean that." "Well a lot of people are actually really f'ing stupid, way to keep that bar nice and low."

 

[Airborneguy]

Why is it popular now to say (or write) "full disclosure"? It grates me whenever I read this. It's like the person is saying they are so important that they have to be honest about their involvement in an issue when in reality, they about to do nothing more than spout off their opinion.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f5/sam-adams-alpine-spring-290751/index7.html

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Here's one that has to stop, "value-added." Its used so often I half expect Viagra commercials to claim their product "adds value" to your junk.

 

[BrewKnurd]

Why is it popular now to say (or write) "full disclosure"? It grates me whenever I read this. It's like the person is saying they are so important that they have to be honest about their involvement in an issue when in reality, they about to do nothing more than spout off their opinion.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f5/sam-adams-alpine-spring-290751/index7.html

For me, its an easy way to provide a caveat that your opinion may be biased. To me it makes sense and provides some context for what's coming next. It may be overused, but I don't see an issue with "I thought pliny the elder was an excellent beer. In the name of full disclosure, I love hoppy beers in general."

It allows the writer/speaker to provide some context for their opinion. If you tell me that you generally don't like hamburgers, then I really don't care if you didn't like the one you ate at a restaurant last night.

 

[PantherCity]

What really chaps my ass is when someone (OP) tries to correct people when they are incorrect themselves. Moot does not mean irrelevant, although that is how it tends to be used by most. Moot means debatable or uncertain. A moot point is a point of contention, a subjective one or one that is open for debate. I didn't read all 10 pages, because this is a stupid thread, but someone might have pointed out this error already.

Does anyone really mistake Mute for Moot? I don't think I have ever seen anyone make this error.

I now feel dirty for taking part in this asinine thread.

 

[BrewKnurd]

What really chaps my ass is when someone (OP) tries to correct people when they are incorrect themselves. Moot does not mean irrelevant, although that is how it tends to be used by most. Moot means debatable or uncertain. A moot point is a point of contention, a subjective one or one that is open for debate. I didn't read all 10 pages, because this is a stupid thread, but someone might have pointed out this error already.

From Merriam-Webster, definition number 2 of moot (adj):

: deprived of practical significance : made abstract or purely academic

That pretty much means irrelevant.

Does anyone really mistake Mute for Moot? I don't think I have ever seen anyone make this error.

Yep. My old boss did.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I dont always have a sandy vagina, but when I do, its at a keyboard.

 

[Special Hops]

I dont always have a sandy vagina, but when I do, its at a keyboard.

Lololol

 

[PantherCity]

From thefreedictionary.com/moot:

"Usage Note: The adjective moot is originally a legal term going back to the mid-16th century. It derives from the noun moot, in its sense of a hypothetical case argued as an exercise by law students. Consequently, a moot question is one that is arguable or open to debate. But in the mid-19th century people also began to look at the hypothetical side of moot as its essential meaning, and they started to use the word to mean "of no significance or relevance." Thus, a moot point, however debatable, is one that has no practical value. A number of critics have objected to this use, but 59 percent of the Usage Panel accepts it in the sentence The nominee himself chastised the White House for failing to do more to support him, but his concerns became moot when a number of Republicans announced that they, too, would oppose the nomination. When using moot one should be sure that the context makes clear which sense is meant."

It seems that if a word is misunderstood long enough and by "the usage panel" it's meaning is changed.

Edit:
The real problem is that many people tend to use tired idioms like "moot point," rather than use strong & simple language that they actually understand, in an attempt to sound intelligent or credible.

 

[BrewKnurd]

Edit:
The real problem is that many people tend to use tired idioms like "moot point," rather than use strong & simple language that they actually understand, in an attempt to sound intelligent or credible.

I guess i just can't agree that using words according to accepted definitions is a problem. And given that, i also can't agree with your classification of it as an idiom, tired or otherwise.

But I'll gladly agree to disagree. Although I do not understand why you continue to defile yourself by participating in this asinine thread.

 

[cheezydemon3]

This thread is TO phucking long!!!!!

Between you and I, I think think the nucleus of what we are all getting at, is that, as of yet, no one has failed to make a dictionary, that satisfies everyone, irregardles of education or handy cap.

I get very flustrated with all of these long winded and supposably correct statements that literally pull my penis out of my pants and try to STOMP on it with decimating force.

As of right now, no one has of yet made so compelling an argument as the mandate of the people, that archetypical american, who puts hin pants on one leg at a time, working to unthaw the cold hearts of evil literacy bastards such as you're fine selves.

My last trip to the libary literally proved VERY fruitful!

I read some books for a minute, and then realized that I COULD CARE LESS what tight assed writers of books say!

So I logged on to the organic and quite literally alive internet to see what the real peoples was saying.

Woodint you do the same? When faced with evil books and there ability to brainwash otherwise cool people like myself and my friends?

So I utilized my brain and my belief in personal freedom, the penultimate traits that make us people.

But I digress as I notate my main points.

Utilize libaries, but only for the internet.

The forth or fith time someone corrects you when you utilize freedome of speech to make up cool new words, hit them.

The dooche bags and blow hards will be drownded out by the awesomeness of the creative thinkers.

Unloosen thy tongue and let lose whatever may come!

For all intensive purpose, any word or fusion of words may be utilized for any chosen definition, at any given time.

thank you, God BLESST!

 

[Yuri_Rage]

The palette of flavors detectable by the human palate would hardly fit on a wooden pallet.

"I don't have a very sophisticated palette."
"You prefer to eat the cheap, leaded paint chips?"

"I don't have a very sophisticated pallet."
"Great, another crate of Chinese junk."

"I don't have a very sophisticated palate."
"Here, try this Zima."

 

[BrewKnurd]

The palette of flavors detectable by the human palate would hardly fit on a wooden pallet.

that's good pal, it is quite clever.

 

[Zul'jin]

this thread is to phucking long!!!!!

Between you and i, i think think the nucleus of what we are all getting at, is that, as of yet, no one has failed to make a dictionary, that satisfies everyone, irregardles of education or handy cap.

I get very flustrated with all of these long winded and supposably correct statements that literally pull my penis out of my pants and try to stomp on it with decimating force.

As of right now, no one has of yet made so compelling an argument as the mandate of the people, that archetypical american, who puts hin pants on one leg at a time, working to unthaw the cold hearts of evil literacy bastards such as you're fine selves.

My last trip to the libary literally proved very fruitful!

I read some books for a minute, and then realized that i could care less what tight assed writers of books say!

So i logged on to the organic and quite literally alive internet to see what the real peoples was saying.

Woodint you do the same? When faced with evil books and there ability to brainwash otherwise cool people like myself and my friends?

So i utilized my brain and my belief in personal freedom, the penultimate traits that make us people.

But i digress as i notate my main points.

Utilize libaries, but only for the internet.

The forth or fith time someone corrects you when you utilize freedome of speech to make up cool new words, hit them.

The dooche bags and blow hards will be drownded out by the awesomeness of the creative thinkers.

Unloosen thy tongue and let lose whatever may come!

For all intensive purpose, any word or fusion of words may be utilized for any chosen definition, at any given time.

Thank you, god blesst!

tldr

 

[D0ug]

What really chaps my ass is when someone (OP) tries to correct people when they are incorrect themselves. Moot does not mean irrelevant, although that is how it tends to be used by most. Moot means debatable or uncertain. A moot point is a point of contention, a subjective one or one that is open for debate. I didn't read all 10 pages, because this is a stupid thread, but someone might have pointed out this error already.

Does anyone really mistake Mute for Moot? I don't think I have ever seen anyone make this error.

I now feel dirty for taking part in this asinine thread.

I knew I was going to get dinged on that.

I was citing common parlance, not the definition (you missed an earlier post where I also tried to pass the whole thing off as a poem, to justify poor punctuation ).

The germane point being one is an academic point, the other is a button on the remote.

People have been making the mistake, and I thought I'd let them know (as nicely as possible) in a separate thread, instead of calling them out directly on it, so they wouldn't make it again when it mattered.



Thanks for participating in my asinine post! I can't believe it got to 10 pages either!

 

[cheezydemon3]

tldr

HA HA your loss.

I got recoerd #'s of thumbs ups for that eloquent bit of trash.


It is shorter than your sofa rant.

 

[D0ug]

The sofa rant is a classic though, it should be a sticky!

 

[SwivelHips]

I guess i just can't agree that using words according to accepted definitions is a problem.

I was distressed to learn recently that the dictionary follows usage, not the other way around. So eventually, if enough people adopt the usage "moo point" for something that is irrelevant, that will become the correct dictionary term for it.

I'm a great believer in using precisely the correct word, in the correct way, to represent an idea, and that "everybody knows what I meant" is a lazy excuse. Maybe I did understand what you meant, but I still think you're an idiot.

I share some of the pet language peeves people have noted, particularly apostrophe abuse (why go to the trouble to put one in where it doesn't belong??), omitting the -ly suffix on adverbs (you need to take this serious!), and "you/he/she/proper name and I" as an always-matched pair. "Would you like to go to the LHBS with him and me?" is proper usage!

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Aaron Karo once saw a sign on a gentleman's club that promoted a "Lunch Buffet."

I'll eat almost anything once, but if you put quotes around it, I'll pass.

Plus, NOT a food-grade environment... but thats another story.

 

[JonM]

I hate the excuse that "English is a fluid thing and it changes with usage blah, blah, blah" when people use incorrect grammar, spelling, etc.

My response is: Fine. Future generations can laud you as a pioneer. We here in the present will continue to think you're an idiot.

 

[BrewKnurd]

I just don't understand why all the sticklers for language never changing aren't speaking latin.

 

[Hermit]

I share some of the pet language peeves people have noted, particularly apostrophe abuse (why go to the trouble to put one in where it doesn't belong??),

Like using two question marks when one will do?

 

[cheezydemon3]

i hate the excuse that "english is a fluid thing and it changes with usage blah, blah, blah" when people use incorrect grammar, spelling, etc.

My response is: Fine. Future generations can laud you as a pioneer. We here in the present will continue to think you're an idiot.

bravo.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Like using two question marks when one will do?

Shot, score. Hermit is still right, but the irony is suffocating!