Growing hops from seed

[yanick74]

Are you saying the smoothness makes them unsuitable for production, or flavours from genes linked to dwarfing?

The gene for high selinene production is tightly linked to the dwarfing gene found in First Gold etc, but that linkage was broken in Boadicea.

I mean that this type of mutations like those in the photo are very common in neomexicanus hybrids, and they are totally useless, one characteristic is that their stems are totally smooth

 

[Sylvain]

they are totally useless

useless for reproduction? but perhaps it is a recessive gene that will disappear on the offspring? in the meantime, maybe the perfume will be interesting and serve me for my amateur brewing.
"inutiles pour la reproduction ? mais c'est peut-être un gène récessif qui disparaîtra sur la descendance ? en attendant, peut-être que le parfum sera intéressant et me servira pour mon brassage amateur"

 

[yanick74]

useless for reproduction? but perhaps it is a recessive gene that will disappear on the offspring? in the meantime, maybe the perfume will be interesting and serve me for my amateur brewing.
"inutiles pour la reproduction ? mais c'est peut-être un gène récessif qui disparaîtra sur la descendance ? en attendant, peut-être que le parfum sera intéressant et me servira pour mon brassage amateur"

good point!

 

[Texconsinite]

I would imagine the smooth stems would be a problem due to them not being able to “grip” lines to climb like the rough hairs let them do

 

[Sylvain]

At the beginning of growth it can be a handicap. but in the middle of the season, the vine becomes thick enough to enclose the rope and not fall.
"en début de croissance ça peut être un handicap. mais au milieu de la saison, la liane devient suffisamment épaisse pour enserrer la corde et ne pas tomber."

 

[Apimyces]

Everything's a trade-off, though I'm not sure which is optimal. Trichomes serve to hook and climb, but also as a defense mechanism. But lots of them can draw a lot of energy the plant could put elsewhere. A smooth bine could also be more practical for harvest and manutention.

I tend to favor dense trichomes, but I really can't say if that's best or not.

 

[Sylvain]

 

[Sylvain]

Neomexicanus yeah

 

[Sylvain]

 

[Apimyces]

Looking good.

 

[Sylvain]

 

[Apimyces]

Look at these darlings. Can you imagine I'm going to be spraying them with millions of downy mildew spores within a week or two?

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Murderer!

 

[Sylvain]

I have a few Neomexicanus that are doing very well since it is 40°C (104°F).
"j'ai quelques Neomexicanus qui se portent très bien depuis qu'il fait 40°C(104°F)."

 

[Apimyces]

Some more fancy neomexes, and two plants that are likely both more "Canadian" and "red" than "Canadian redvine"

 

[Sylvain]

 

[Sylvain]

Neomexicanus is life !!!

 

[Apimyces]

Murderer!

Muwahahahahaha!

 

[bonecitybrewco]

Muwahahahahaha!

Only slightly crazy to think about...

 

[Sylvain]

 

[Sylvain]

 

[nagmay]

It's hop harvesting season!

 

[nagmay]

Half of our experimental yard was first year plants - so I wasn't expecting much volume. Boy was that a mistake!
Several of the crosses had piles of huge cones. The volume quickly overwhelmed my homemade oast. Had to lay the rest out and borrow an industrial dehumidifier to get them drying. Guess we'll need to update our equipment next year.

 

[Sylvain]

biggest !!!

 

[Sierra brew club]

Excellent!
Fingers crossed there are some extremely interesting and exotic flavors on the horizon!!

 

[NitrogenWidget]

Half of our experimental yard was first year plants - so I wasn't expecting much volume. Boy was that a mistake!
Several of the crosses had piles of huge cones. The volume quickly overwhelmed my homemade oast. Had to lay the rest out and borrow an industrial dehumidifier to get them drying. Guess we'll need to update our equipment next year.

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What are those?
Some funky green peppers?

 

[nagmay]

So, funny story. I've been focused on the the main hop yards that were started from seed back in 2013... but we also have another very small, second yard.

Nearly 400 seeds were germinated in 2016. Unfortunately, we only had room for a 60' run of trellis. So, we packed the little plants in every 2.5", put up some bird netting to climb, and walked away. The idea was to try a little darwinism, let them fight it out, and later see if anything good popped up.

Well, three years later and the trellis is quite a mess, but we have some contenders!

Out of the original 400, we picked 9 plants that are:

• Healthy
• Vigorous
• Disease resistant (the yard has heavy mildew pressure)
• With great smelling cones (we intentionally let them over-ripen to cull those with the garlic scent)

Digging out the crowns was a bit of an ordeal, but now we're ready to give them some real space and see what they can do.

 

[marc_]

Anyone interested in trading hops seeds?

I've got some El Dorado cross seeds...

 

[Sylvain]

for my 2019 hop seedlings.
an old man from my village kindly lends me the forest fence of a large plot where he grows oaks.
the sunny weather is not huge but ok, the land is clayey but very deep.
no watering system, nature will do the rest.

I have already installed my hybrid seedlings lupuloides and neomexicanus as well as lupuloides and lupulus.
it remains to replant the Neomexicanus

"pour mes semis de houblon 2019.
un vieux monsieur de mon village me prête gentiment la clôture forestière d'une grande parcelle où il fait pousser des chênes.
l'ensoleillemnt est pas énorme mais convenable, la terre est argileuse mais très profonde.
aucun système d'arrosage, la nature fera le reste.

j'ai déjà installé mes semis hybrides lupuloides et neomexicanus ainsi que lupuloides et lupulus.
il reste à replanter les Neomexicanus. "

 

[Sylvain]

West exposure, the axis of the fence is north / south
(exposition Ouest, l'axe du grillage est nord/sud)