FREE BEER AT WORK!!! possibly expired?

[PorterGlenn]

So when I came into work this morning there was a BREWFERM Framboos can/kit on my desk with no note as to who it came from? I sent an email out at work so I can thank the person and give them a 6 pack of the stuff when its done.

To the point, the sticker on the bottom says 31/9/07 which I am assuming means Sept 9th 2007. I am guessing the prehopped malt in the can is fine, should I get new yeast? I have to believe the answer is yes, but what kind? I have never brewed anything like a Framboos before and am guessing Californina Ale yeast might not be best?

Imputs are appriciated also should I add more hops to this thing?

 

[mtnagel]

That's cool that someone thought of you. I'm assuming this is a framboise? TIL there are hops in framboise

Sorry, no advice on the yeast.

 

[iowabrew]

According to the webs, that is a rasberry beer kit.

Here is a link to brewferm's "instructions"

http://www.homebrewit.com/instructions_brewferm.pdf

 

[PorterGlenn]

yeah thanks for the responses, it did come withthe instructions, and I can ask my LHBS guy about the yeast, im sure he'll have an idea. I guess I was more asking if anyone has used one of these kits before and if so did they feel it was kinda watered down and I should add more hops, or maybe only make 2 gallons rather than the suggested 3 gallons?

Also what about that 31/9/07 date???? Dont get me wrong im making the beer anyways, just wondering how out of date/spoiled/bad? that it may turn out to be?

on another thread someone was using this as their hops/yeast portion

"1oz Tettnang @ 60 mins
No aroma hops

Danstar Nottingham Dry yeast, pitched dry"
original thread:
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/framboise-clone-recipe-219711/
Framboise "clone" recipe

also I feel like this emoticon accuratly describes my current mood, given the free beer and 3 day weekend, and payday FRIDAY!!!! :fro:

 

[broadbill]

Personally, I'd thank the person who gave it to you, but take it home and toss it. Tell the person the batch you made with it didn't come out.

Its old and even in it heyday those kits were marginal at best.

I just don't think it would stack up to the quality of ingredients we have available to us today. Just my opinion.

Plus it makes a framboise...no thanks.

 

[PorterGlenn]

Personally, I'd thank the person who gave it to you, but take it home and toss it. Tell the person the batch you made with it didn't come out.

Its old and even in it heyday those kits were marginal at best.

I just don't think it would stack up to the quality of ingredients we have available to us today. Just my opinion.

Plus it makes a framboise...no thanks.

I thought this was a hiliarious and most likely 100% true post. But I cant throw out free beer! I have the space for fermenting it and im just going to be sitting around drinking beer this weekend anyways, why not throw it in a bucket? Sounds like per the directions I dont even boil it?

Also I just recalled I have a london ESB yeast I didnt use last weekend that I could throw in there, would that turn out no good with the yeast and raspberry combo?

 

[MacDub7]

Maybe it's because I'm a Noob, and still haven't developed the "these ingredients aren't good enough for me" attitude yet, but I would definitely give this a shot.

I'm sure it's not going to be AMAZING, but it will most likely turn into an Alcoholic beverage that you can drink. And since it was free, you can probably experiment with it, and add some ingredients you may not normally try with a batch you're more invested in.... like adding real rasberries, or some other kind of fruit.

Unless you take the lid off off and it smells terrible, I say go for it!

 

[J-Pizzel]

Just brew it if you have the extra fermenter sitting around, maybe replace the hops/yeast. If its bad, toss it later, give it away, whatever! I don't really get the date- how you came up with 9-9-07, I'd think it was 9-31-07 but there were only 30 days that month, are you sure its even an expiration date?

 

[kh54s10]

Personally, I'd thank the person who gave it to you, but take it home and toss it. Tell the person the batch you made with it didn't come out.

Its old and even in it heyday those kits were marginal at best.

I just don't think it would stack up to the quality of ingredients we have available to us today. Just my opinion.

Plus it makes a framboise...no thanks.

This was my thought. But, if you have a yeast cake or some harvested yeast I would give it a try. I would not invest any $$ in that kit.

I think the date is European for September 31, 2007. So that kit is almost 6 years old. Certainly not fresh. I would expect no hop flavor at all from it. But I don't know how hop flavor will fade in an unopened extract.

 

[broadbill]

I'm sure it's not going to be AMAZING, but it will most likely turn into an Alcoholic beverage that you can drink.

If this is the standard at which you are working, there are easier (and much cheaper) ways to make alcoholic beverages than homebrewing.

If OP has extra time on his hands (not sure what that feels like, but I digress...), sure...throw it in a bucket and see what happens. Spend extra time/money to "doctor it up"???....definitely not worth it.

 

[dryboroughbrewing]

I probably wouldn't bother with it, but if I was bored I might do a 15 minute boil on it, and pitch the original yeast (if it doesn't take off you've lost 15 minutes of your time). Could always use it as decoy beer to get rid of moochers.

 

[unionrdr]

I say go for it. i brewed a 2 year old with the old yeast in a small starter & it needed a blow off. Came out pretty good. see "Summer Ale" in my photos. I realize this one is a lot older,& you may indeed have to replace the yeast. But as long as the can's still sealed,it should be ok. darker & the flavor will be a lil different.

 

[Kirkwooder]

I don't have any experiance with this product, but tap water and a few minutes of your time, a pouch of -05( or something simular), I'd be game!

 

[PorterGlenn]

Just brew it if you have the extra fermenter sitting around, maybe replace the hops/yeast. If its bad, toss it later, give it away, whatever! I don't really get the date- how you came up with 9-9-07, I'd think it was 9-31-07 but there were only 30 days that month, are you sure its even an expiration date?

Yeah I meant 9/31/2007 must have mistyped, it is interesting that there are not 31 days in September...? Its just a sticker from a hand held pricing gun so what ever ying yang put it on there might have been drinking or something?

I am deffinetly going to brew it and replace the yeast with my london ESB yeast, and I believe I will boil for 15 minutes. Worst case scenario I boil bratwurst in it, not sure how a raspberry beer bratwurst will turn out, but if its no good I wont do it next time?

Whatever I do I will not dump it out/throw it away, if it doesnt make me vomit then its good for something and eventually that something will present it self.

 

[mtnagel]

Could always use it as decoy beer to get rid of moochers.

Nice. Made me LOL

 

[MacDub7]

If this is the standard at which you are working, there are easier (and much cheaper) ways to make alcoholic beverages than homebrewing.

If OP has extra time on his hands (not sure what that feels like, but I digress...), sure...throw it in a bucket and see what happens. Spend extra time/money to "doctor it up"???....definitely not worth it.

Obviously, if I'm spending my time and money to brew something, I'm going to try to make something that tastes delicious, and will take care in selecting my ingredients.

Just like when I go to the Beer Store, I pick out a six pack of something that I think is going to be great. However, if somebody brings me a six pack of keystone light, or some mikes hard lemonade....I'm not going to throw it in the trash. At some point, they will probably get consumed.

Sorry my standards aren't high enough to post my opinions.

Dude has an empty fermentor, and brewing is fun. I doubt this will take a substantial amount of time, since it's a kit, and If he doesn't want to spend any extra money "doctoring" it, that's fine. Doubt it will break the bank to buy a box of rasberries from the grocery store though.

 

[MacDub7]

Could always use it as decoy beer to get rid of moochers.

EXACTLY!

 

[broadbill]

Doubt it will break the bank to buy a box of rasberries from the grocery store though.

At $6-7/box, that is a pitiful waste of raspberries.

....aaaand once again, a HBT poster takes a dissenting opinion to heart and gets all butt hurt over it.

 

[MacDub7]

At $6-7/box, that is a pitiful waste of raspberries.

....aaaand once again, a HBT poster takes a dissenting opinion to heart and gets all butt hurt over it.

Pretty sure I won't lose any sleep over it.

Just posting my own dissenting opinion...which is that you're a snob.

Off to buy some PBR after work. Sorry for partying.

 

[broadbill]

Pretty sure I won't lose any sleep over it.

Just posting my own dissenting opinion...which is that you're a snob.

Off to buy some PBR after work. Sorry for partying.

you work? pegged that one wrong.

Enjoy the PBR.

 

[PorterGlenn]

so I got around to brewing this stuff and it smelled fine however when I opened the can it was preasurized in there. Almost like it had been fermenting in the can?

I am assuming that this was supposed to have a bit of a red hint to it, well it was as dark as some of the darkest stouts/porters I have ever seen. Also it called for 2 cups of sugar added to it, I will check when I get home but I hope this stuff didnt blow off my air lock and make a mess in my chest freezer!!!

Also an FYI I did end up using the London ESB yeast.

Ill let you guys know how it turns out!!!

 

[unionrdr]

I knew it was going to be darker colored at this point. Flavor will be darker...not necessarily roatier or toastier...but darker by a bit than it normally would be. That's about as close as I can describe it.

 

[Yooper]

so I got around to brewing this stuff and it smelled fine however when I opened the can it was preasurized in there. Almost like it had been fermenting in the can?

I am assuming that this was supposed to have a bit of a red hint to it, well it was as dark as some of the darkest stouts/porters I have ever seen. Also it called for 2 cups of sugar added to it, I will check when I get home but I hope this stuff didnt blow off my air lock and make a mess in my chest freezer!!!

Also an FYI I did end up using the London ESB yeast.

Ill let you guys know how it turns out!!!

"pressurized" in the can doesn't sound too good!

Remember how we were all told never to use food out of a can that was dented or was under pressure due to spoilage bacteria? That's what probably is going on.

I don't mind using expired stuff, but something that's been expired for nearly 6 years and has changed color and is under pressure in the can makes me think it's far too late.

 

[unionrdr]

True. But he did boil it for 15 minutes. So that should've helped in that regard. We'll find out I'm sure...

 

[DanH]

you work? pegged that one wrong.

Enjoy the PBR.

This site has gotten much less friendly the past couple of days.

 

[DanH]

True. But he did boil it for 15 minutes. So that should've helped in that regard. We'll find out I'm sure...

I don't think boiling would kill botulism, but the acidity should. I personally wouldn't drink it.

 

[DrunkleJon]

I don't think boiling would kill botulism, but the acidity should. I personally wouldn't drink it.

Boiling will not kill the botulism toxin, may kill off the producer of it though.

Does this topic give anyone else get flashbacks to the expired Mr. Beer kit video? "I dry cocoanut-ed it" Sorry guys, cant help but re-link to the video.

[ame]http://youtu.be/g09b17V4NWQ[/ame]

 

[Frige]

My bet is it will be....BEER! Maybe not very tasty but I dont think it will kill ya.

 

[PorterGlenn]

well now I am nervous about dying...

can I get a kit or something to test it for botulism? Then in the event that it has this stuff in it should I just pitch my fermenter and everything else that touched this stuff?

 

[unionrdr]

Idk about the test kit. But if it did contain the toxin,you might just have to pitch it. Unless bleach solution would kill it/neutralize it?...