Firestone Walker Wookey Jack Clone Attempt

[flyingfinbar]

I'm looking forward to giving this a shot now that I have the necessary hops on order. This beer rocked my world the day that Hurricane Sandy came ashore on LI. Drank it right up until the power went out at the brewpub!

 

[runningfarmer]

Made 10 gallons of this clone three weeks ago and used s-04 at 64* Original gravity was 1.079 and now is 1.026 should this be a problem? We dry hoped it and rousted the yeast and was going to keg in a week

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Made 10 gallons of this clone three weeks ago and used s-04 at 64* Original gravity was 1.079 and now is 1.026 should this be a problem? We dry hoped it and rousted the yeast and was going to keg in a week

It will be sweeter, but probably still a great beer. Did you do AG? If so, what mash temp? The mash, yeast cell count, and oxygen are important to get this to dry out.

 

[runningfarmer]

Pitched three packets 11 grams for ten gallons and ran pure o2 until it foamed out the top of the carboy and the mash temp. was 148 for 60 min and 158 for 10 min and 168 15 and mashed out. Fermentation was 68 wort chilled to 64 and has been there for two weeks and then raised to 68 maybe i should have raised it sooner?

 

[runningfarmer]

Sorry also it was all grain

 

[jehatha]

Yes it was all Grain. I brew with Runningfarmer. It does taste a little sweet but with all the dry hops added it should be fine.

 

[MeanDeuce]

I hate to be the guy to ask for a 5gal extract recipe, but I can't currently do all-grain with my setup (small condo) and limited to indoor brewing. Was able to get my hands on some Citra and Amarillo hops and thought I'd try this out. I took a stab at converting the recipe on the first page via beersmith and this is what I was given. Any thoughts? Beersmith couldn't adjust the rye malt for some reason, so i'm not sure how much to cut from the grain bill.

Amt Name Type # %/IBU

1 lbs 10.1 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 2 10.9 %
7.9 oz Caramel Rye (Weyermann) (35.0 SRM) Grain 3 3.3 %
7.0 oz Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.9 %
7.0 oz Wheat, Midnight Malt (550.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.9 %
11 lbs 14.5 oz Pale Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 6 79.9 %
0.50 oz Magnum [13.00 %] - Boil 90.0 min Hop 7 19.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 8 16.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.40 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 9 23.5 IBUs
1.75 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
1.75 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg English Ale (White Labs #WLP002) [35.49 ml] Yeast 12 -
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.40 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs

 

[theveganbrewer]

I'm getting a really overpowering Amarillo on this after the first dryhop. Is that normal? I might leave it out of dry hop 2

 

[jclucca]

I'm getting a really overpowering Amarillo on this after the first dryhop. Is that normal? I might leave it out of dry hop 2

Sounds like you're doing it right.

 

[theveganbrewer]

Haha, I have had the beer once, but it was a while ago, and I couldn't remember. My better sense prevailed, the one that says when faced a choice of more hops or less, always choose more, and I added them all.

 

[jehatha]

Just kegged a 10 gallon batch yesterday and the gravity sample was great. Yes it has a strong Amarillo and citra nose and taste. This is going to be a great beer.

A local nano brewery that is just starting up in my area is doing a Firestone tap take over on 12/12/12 with Union Jack IPA, Double Jack Double IPA, Wookey Jack Black Rye IPA, Reserve Porter, and the ever so elusive Double DBA Imperial Special Bitter. I can not wait.

 

[LarryC]

I'm a little late on posting this up since the keg got tapped about two weeks ago but... my batch came out great! I was not able to get Amarillo hops at the time so I went with Falconers. I think it was probably a decent substitution but I'm looking forward to doing another batch with Amarillo.

All in all, I'm very happy with the results. I had a couple of friends taste it side by side with FW Wookie Jack and they both said it was very close. Mine seemed to have a bit more mouth feel than the FW and there was a noticeable difference in the aroma - not less, just different. My AVBwas about a half point low so I've got a bit of dialing in to do on the next run.

One last note, I did my dry hop in the keg and I'm not too sure how I feel about that. I used a paint strainer bag for both additions weighting it and dangling it near the bottom of the keg. Still, I think there was a lot of hop matter that got into the keg. I was hoping it would all settle to the bottom and be gone after a few pints but I still see some residue on glasses. I think maybe next time I'll just go into a secondary carboy...

Last but not least, thanks to SkeezerPleezer for posting the recipe and and the follow up adjustments! This is on the top of the favorite recipe files for me.

 

[flyingfinbar]

Anyone have any luck with wlp007 in this recipe? Would it dry it out too much? I used 007 for a 90min clone, and loved it! The last iPa I made came in under attenuated, and I reeeeeally want to try and avoid that again

 

[jclucca]

Anyone have any luck with wlp007 in this recipe? Would it dry it out too much? I used 007 for a 90min clone, and loved it! The last iPa I made came in under attenuated, and I reeeeeally want to try and avoid that again

I used US-05 in mine and it turned out great. 007 would be good too.

 

[theveganbrewer]

Side by side mine has way too much Amarillo. Not sure where it is coming from, the rest seems quite close to the original. But I noticed this before I finished the first dry hop, wonder if I whirlpooled this and what temp.

 

[HoppinThruTX]

Brewing this today. Just mashed in at 148. Only difference was I had had to use Chocolate Wheat (400L) because the LHBS doesn't carry Midnight Wheat. Really looking forward to having this beer on tap at my house.

Oh, and glad we all made it through the apocalypse!! Cheers!!

 

[flyingfinbar]

It's interesting that the ibu's are only ~62 for such a big CDA. Has anyone turned up the bittering addition? I love the original, and I certainly don't doubt this recipe, but it's definitely on the low side of imperial IPA's... Or is that a stylistic departure from CDA's and big IPA's?

 

[theveganbrewer]

It's interesting that the ibu's are only ~62 for such a big CDA. Has anyone turned up the bittering addition? I love the original, and I certainly don't doubt this recipe, but it's definitely on the low side of imperial IPA's... Or is that a stylistic departure from CDA's and big IPA's?

Website says Wookey is 80 IBU. Maybe the difference would be whirlpool isomerization of the 0-min additions? They are known for doing that in other beers. I calculated my final product to be around 85IBU based off a 30 minute whirlpool at 180.

 

[HoppinThruTX]

I bumped up my bittering addition about 15 IBU's because I was kinda thinking the same thing... But I also moved the 25 minute additions to 20 minutes thinking I would retain more flavor and aroma.... Also threw in 2 oz. each of Citra and Amarillo for the whirlpool instead of the suggested 1.75

Looking forward to having this one perfect by the time the Super Bowl comes around... And hopefully the Texans will be playing in it

 

[runningfarmer]

I did A side by side taste test of my batch that was brewed on 10/27/12 to a bottle that was bottled on 9/12. The left is the Wookey the clone has a darker head, they taste very close. Almost can't tell the difference. Maybe a little more hop taste in the clone. The second picture is after 15 minutes and the head is almost the exact same. This is one of my favorite beers ever. Thanks again for the great recipe.

 

[govner1]

How did you bottle in 9/27 if you brewed in October???

 

[runningfarmer]

9/27 was code on the the bottle of wookey jack from Firestone Walker. My was about 45 days younger.

 

[NWMushroom]

Brew Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Volume: 7.46 gal
Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 %

Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Volume: 7.46 gal
Boil Time: 90 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 %

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
13.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 81.1 %
1.66 lb Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 9.9 %
0.50 lb Cara-Rye (175.0 SRM) Grain 3.0 %
0.50 lb Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 3.0 %
0.50 lb Wheat (Midnight) (550.0 SRM) Grain 3.0 %
0.50 oz Magnum [13.00%] (90 min) Hops 20.0 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (25 min) Hops 24.8 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (25 min) Hops 17.0 IBU
1.75 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (0 min) Hops -
1.75 oz Citra [12.40%] (0 min) Hops -
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (Dry Hop#1 3 days) Hops -remove then add dryhop #2
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (Dry Hop#1 3 days) Hops -remove then add dryhop #2
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50%] (Dry Hop #2 4 days) Hops -
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (Dry Hop #2 4 days) Hops -

1 Pkgs English Ale (White Labs #WLP002) [Starter 2500 ml]

Mash @ 145-148 for 60 min
Increase to 155 for 10 min, then sparge

Estimated Original Gravity: 1.080 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.015 SG
Estimated Color: 39.6 SRM
Bitterness: 61.8 IBU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 8.6 %


Ferment at ~62 for 10 days.

Thanks for the recipe!

I love this beer and want to recreate it at home.

Would it be possible to adjust this recipe for a 60 minute boil? Besides the extra hop utilization, is there any other reason for the 90 minutes called for in this recipe?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

It will help with efficiency, maybe carmelize the wort a little, and i think i did it based on FW doing a lot of 90 min boils. I don't think it would be bad or much different with 60.

 

[MeanDeuce]

Yeah I was just adjusting my extract recipe for 60 mins. Hopefully it's not too different. I moved the 25 min Citra and Amarillo additions to 30 mins to add a few IBUs back.

 

[Vigo_Carpathian]

Brewing this on the weekend. Wookey is one of my favorite beers. Really looking forward to this.

 

[ilikeguns]

Not a huge fan of rye or black IPAs but I had the original for the first time tonight.. another amazing beer from FW and I can't wait to try this recipe.

 

[theveganbrewer]

After being a little unhappy about the amount of amarillo on the nose of this fresh off the keg, it's just about perfect now, two months after brew day.

 

[ilikeguns]

ordered the ingredients for two batches based on this thread..

 

[NWMushroom]

Having trouble finding the Cara-Rye - does this go by any other name, or are there any decent substitutes?

Where is everyone getting their Cara-Rye from?!

Thanks!