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the idea of a double two-hearted in the early aughts > drinking cask two hearted >>>>>>>>>>>> actually drinking double two hearted

#MACA - make american cask adjunct-free
 
middlebrow are those pictures of zaa you keep posting testing for the brew pub? Please say yes?!?!?
they're my trials and tests being handed over to professionals...we have a fancy executive chef and breadmaker suos chef taking all my work and making it work in restaurant form. It’s a 100% wild yeast ( italian sourdough and famous Belgian breweries yeast culture) fermented dough...Great Lake meets beddia & difara with a side of 3F and loon lacto on the crust finish.

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they're my trials and tests being handed over to professionals...we have a fancy executive chef and breadmaker suos chef taking all my work and making it work in restaurant form. It’s a 100% wild yeast ( italian sourdough and famous Belgian breweries yeast culture) fermented dough...Great Lake meets beddia & difara with a side of 3F and loon lacto on the crust finish.

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I can get one with meat on it, right?
 
I can get one with meat on it, right?
if it was a vanity project named middle brow presents angry nicks mind it would be orval clones, blended belgian coffee & kombucha BS featuring only a cheese pie. Fortunately, there's other folks to reign me in and the goal is to attract customers so yes their will be one or possibly two different rotating meat pies and one or two hoppy beers. we're probably gonna have one cheese, one meat, one veggie per season and a couple daily specialty's allowing folks to sorta mix and match ingredients between the pies.

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if it was a vanity project named middle brow presents angry nicks mind it would be orval clones, blended belgian coffee & kombucha BS featuring only a cheese pie. Fortunately, there's other folks to reign me in and the goal is to attract customers so yes their will be one or possibly two different rotating meat pies and one or two hoppy beers. we're probably gonna have one cheese, one meat, one veggie per season and a couple daily specialty's allowing folks to sorta mix and match ingredients between the pies.

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What the **** is all this pie talk? Didn't know we all shifted to the east coast...
 
What the **** is all this pie talk? Didn't know we all shifted to the east coast...
maybe all the NEIPA's ive drank are slowly infecting me and turning me into a masshole...is it possible they're hazy because they contain 'the stuff.' (side note - didnt the whole movie take place in upper NY?...weird)

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Posted this in the Afterthought FB group, but doesn't $80 + taxes + fees for a 3.5 half hour festival seem a wee bit excessive to anyone else?

Am I just spoiled by Great Taste only charging $60?

Yes, but that line up rivals any line up you'd get at GTMW, but that's just my opinion. If only Burial, Ovum and Bow & Arrow were involved, I'd be throwing money at my computer screen. Holy Mountain alone is worth it for me...
 
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Posted this in the Afterthought FB group, but doesn't $80 + taxes + fees for a 3.5 half hour festival seem a wee bit excessive to anyone else?

Am I just spoiled by Great Taste only charging $60?

Yes, plus that's Wisconsin. Everything is cheaper there.

Put it in comparison to just about every suburb's beer fest that is charging $50-$75 to drink 15 samples of beer from the shelves at Binny's. This one is in a cool location with breweries from across the country that you rarely have the chance to drink.
 
Yes, plus that's Wisconsin. Everything is cheaper there.

Put it in comparison to just about every suburb's beer fest that is charging $50-$75 to drink 15 samples of beer from the shelves at Binny's. This one is in a cool location with breweries from across the country that you rarely have the chance to drink.
I don’t go to those either. Or FoBAB. God Chicago beer festivals suck.
 
Posted this in the Afterthought FB group, but doesn't $80 + taxes + fees for a 3.5 half hour festival seem a wee bit excessive to anyone else?

Am I just spoiled by Great Taste only charging $60?

Comparing anything to the Great Taste creates a landslide in comparison... not fair. Plus you have to factor in gas, hotel, etc

Its steep but at the same time if I was able to purchase these beers at a bar id be spending over 80 dollars.
 
It does say wine too, right...considering who middle brows main man talked to at the natty wine fest, it’s a safe assumption some of the available wines ain’t exactly cheap and are worth the extra 15 bucks.
 
Comparing anything to the Great Taste creates a landslide in comparison... not fair. Plus you have to factor in gas, hotel, etc

Its steep but at the same time if I was able to purchase these beers at a bar id be spending over 80 dollars.
I also compare them to Tampa Bay beer Week, in fairness.
 
Yes, but that line up rivals any line up you'd get at GTMW, but that's just my opinion. If only Burial, Ovum and Bow & Arrow were involved, I'd be throwing money at my computer screen. Holy Mountain alone is worth it for me...

That’s a Shelton Brothers Festival type Line up but better, IMO
 
Not a great thing to see upon waking up...
Some of the finest meals of my adult life have been at MTI
I know I'm a bit of a homer but I really do think it's the best restaurant in Chicagoland. The food, the beer, the cocktails, the ambiance; no place was better. Maple Tree supported "craft" beer decades before it was cool. That team doesn't deserve this. I hope they can rebuild.
 

Dang.

Jeff Gill said:
A few short years ago, craft beer drinkers were going to the liquor store to buy their beer. As craft beer became more prolific, people started frequenting their local taproom or brewery instead of buying regional or national craft brands from the liquor store. For a small, regional brewery like Tallgrass, that shift hit us really hard.

This has got me wondering if the fight we will be seeing in the near future are craft beer bars and regional/national craft brands allied against taprooms.
 
Buffalo sweat was a revelation to little drunk Jeb back in the day :(
beer not available in illinois at woodmans...in cans...IPA's and stouts...mind blowing 8 years ago or so. i agree with yeahnatenelson their will be a war between these giant guys that are in 20 markets and took on big investors for their new production facility & bar owners vs. taprooms. I just have no idea how that war happens or plays out. i hope at some point the consumer gets over homer syndrome and doesnt throw money at people putting out subpar beer 4 miles from their door.
 
Dang.



This has got me wondering if the fight we will be seeing in the near future are craft beer bars and regional/national craft brands allied against taprooms.

It sucks, for sure. But I find the quote from Jeff Gill to ring a little hollow. If anything (at least in Chicago), it seemed to me that Tallgrass has suffered from the proliferation of local SKUs at retail locations. Tallgrass used to stand out on shelves here, but was quickly overtaken by a sea of fresher, local options. Not to mention the other large regional and national brands with good reputations that have added to crowding shelf space in recent years.

I just don't see how people visiting local taprooms could kill a business that appeared to be built on pushing volume at large retail chains/grocers. Especially given the recent narrative that more people choose to drink at home as opposed to going out to bars.

People still buy plenty of beer at places like Binny's. They're just not buying enough Tallgrass beer for it to sustain it's business. If there's data supporting the quote, I'd really like to see it, because it would make for fascinating reading.

This is the "squeeze" (*not* a bubble, IMO) -- small producers growing too fast, entering markets that can't be serviced or sustained, ending up undercapitalized, and searching for "patient money," when they can't service debt*. Very similar to Smuttynose & Green Flash, in this sense.

And to your point, yeahnatenelson -- here in Chicago, it looks more like the regional/national brands would rather play the taproom game themselves (Ballast Point, Goose, whichever comes next) while simultaneously pushing volume through retailers, where most of their beer is going to be sold anyway. What benefit could they reap by partnering with a handful of beer bars to "kill," taprooms? Wouldn't that force the smaller guys to go harder into distribution, creating more competition for tap handles, shelf placement, etc.?


*I haven't seen coverage as to whether Tallgrass's recapitalization efforts were to take out a lender. just speculating on that point.
 
It sucks, for sure. But I find the quote from Jeff Gill to ring a little hollow. If anything (at least in Chicago), it seemed to me that Tallgrass has suffered from the proliferation of local SKUs at retail locations. Tallgrass used to stand out on shelves here, but was quickly overtaken by a sea of fresher, local options. Not to mention the other large regional and national brands with good reputations that have added to crowding shelf space in recent years.

I just don't see how people visiting local taprooms could kill a business that appeared to be built on pushing volume at large retail chains/grocers. Especially given the recent narrative that more people choose to drink at home as opposed to going out to bars.

People still buy plenty of beer at places like Binny's. They're just not buying enough Tallgrass beer for it to sustain it's business. If there's data supporting the quote, I'd really like to see it, because it would make for fascinating reading.

This is the "squeeze" (*not* a bubble, IMO) -- small producers growing too fast, entering markets that can't be serviced or sustained, ending up undercapitalized, and searching for "patient money," when they can't service debt*. Very similar to Smuttynose & Green Flash, in this sense.

And to your point, yeahnatenelson -- here in Chicago, it looks more like the regional/national brands would rather play the taproom game themselves (Ballast Point, Goose, whichever comes next) while simultaneously pushing volume through retailers, where most of their beer is going to be sold anyway. What benefit could they reap by partnering with a handful of beer bars to "kill," taprooms? Wouldn't that force the smaller guys to go harder into distribution, creating more competition for tap handles, shelf placement, etc.?


*I haven't seen coverage as to whether Tallgrass's recapitalization efforts were to take out a lender. just speculating on that point.

Accurate post is accurate. Mostly.

Tallgrass fizzled out, they just lost due to increased local alternatives. Their beer was quite fresh for the majority of their stay here, and even had market reps for awhile. They engaged with the market and in the end it wasn't enough.

None of these articles take into account the fact that beer, as a whole, is down across the board. So not only did too many put out far too much capital expenditure to expand, they did so facing the most competition they've ever had in a marketplace that is, seemingly, over it.

Also, Binny's is feeling it just as much as anyone. Their beer sales are way down. It's why you're seeing them throw craft breweries into their ad circulars at cut-rate pricing (sometimes without the permission of the brewery to do so....) They're struggling to figure out what to do. Lincoln Park is a shell of what it once was, and i say this without any malice or rancor intended. I firmly admit i have NO idea what i'd do to keep even a fraction of the volume we had when i was there in this climate. It's just not possible. And it's going to get worse before it gets better.
 
Accurate post is accurate. Mostly.

Tallgrass fizzled out, they just lost due to increased local alternatives. Their beer was quite fresh for the majority of their stay here, and even had market reps for awhile. They engaged with the market and in the end it wasn't enough.

None of these articles take into account the fact that beer, as a whole, is down across the board. So not only did too many put out far too much capital expenditure to expand, they did so facing the most competition they've ever had in a marketplace that is, seemingly, over it.

Also, Binny's is feeling it just as much as anyone. Their beer sales are way down. It's why you're seeing them throw craft breweries into their ad circulars at cut-rate pricing (sometimes without the permission of the brewery to do so....) They're struggling to figure out what to do. Lincoln Park is a shell of what it once was, and i say this without any malice or rancor intended. I firmly admit i have NO idea what i'd do to keep even a fraction of the volume we had when i was there in this climate. It's just not possible. And it's going to get worse before it gets better.
im no bizness expert but not sure how they survive with their crazy fast expansion in the past 4 years, very similar parallel. lotta dust on those shelves that aint that popular dust (which i have actually seen gaining a bit of dust lately).
 

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